Be careful about who you buzz in.

vanilla · March 2006

what do i do with the unknown person buzzing a few months back insistent that we buzz him in while stating:::

"yeah, i'm looking for 2 light skinned guys." ?

:shock:

sevenoneeighty · March 2006

Subject: Intersting but still Valid

Again, if it is the only clue, it is legitimate t state.
Crimes have been solved by the collection of many clues - including voice.

One person could hear a distinctive voice. Another person may have seen something.

In the end, the police use a COMBINATION of what they call CLUES to solve crimes. Even patterns of behavior can be used....

Sometimes clues they come from more than one source or person and can be used with other characteristics.

They can also be used to disprove a crime or eliminate suspects

Would you remember the voice if you heard it again? Yes or No?

Police: "We have some suspects and several witnesses with similar descriptions, would you come to the station an listen to their voices? Does this one sound close"?
or
"We have a recording from a security camera and audio system from a crime scene down the street in your neighborhood, would you care to listen"?

Whatever your political affiliation, consider this:

Why else would the Bush administration and CIA be tapping phones?
Could it be for conversations and voice recognition along with other clues?
Maybe it is part of a technique that helps them catch people.... regardless of the political debate VOICE characteristics, stress, dialects and linguistics have helped solve crimes by identifying people and narrowing down suspects.

Hey, we all saw "Clear and Present Danger" when the CIA had the voice and could tell what COUNTRY the drug dealer guy was originally from in Latin America becasue of his accent...but they didnt know what he looked like....its VALID. Even in a movie.

Hmmm...... :roll:

Interesting.

candicissima · March 2006

Subject: Re: Intersting but still Valid

SevenOneEighty wrote: Again, if it is the only clue, it is legitimate t state.
Crimes have been solved by the collection of many clues - including voice.

One person could hear a distinctive voice. Another person may have seen something.

In the end, the police use a COMBINATION of what they call CLUES to solve crimes. Even patterns of behavior can be used....

Sometimes clues they come from more than one source or person and can be used with other characteristics.

They can also be used to disprove a crime or eliminate suspects

Would you remember the voice if you heard it again? Yes or No?

Police: "We have some suspects and several witnesses with similar descriptions, would you come to the station an listen to their voices? Does this one sound close"?
or
"We have a recording from a security camera and audio system from a crime scene down the street in your neighborhood, would you care to listen"?

Whatever your political affiliation, consider this:

Why else would the Bush administration and CIA be tapping phones?
Could it be for conversations and voice recognition along with other clues?
Maybe it is part of a technique that helps them catch people.... regardless of the political debate VOICE characteristics, stress, dialects and linguistics have helped solve crimes by identifying people and narrowing down suspects.

Hey, we all saw "Clear and Present Danger" when the CIA had the voice and could tell what COUNTRY the drug dealer guy was originally from in Latin America becasue of his accent...but they didnt know what he looked like....its VALID. Even in a movie.

Hmmm...... :roll:

Interesting.

Thereotically, yes, if the guy committed a crime, James might be able to help identify him if they were asking if someone heard something. Though hoinestly, a black male voice? One that sounded not drunk. In Brooklyn? You don't say? That's the most generic description ever, sorry. But, the guy (for all we know) didn't actually do anything besides ring his bell. What if he was looking for his friend's apartment and was like "haha he doesn't know who I am...yeah, it's a delivery, can you buzz me in please?" I know everyone on DH really gets into playing junior Crimestoppers sometimes, but let's not put the cart in front of the horse.

sevenoneeighty · March 2006

Interesting

but All still irrelevant to the reaction to the description provided(however incomplete and inarticulate) by JamesonDean.

He was simply trying to mention a "trait" that he felt was relevant to his experience: sound of voice. He didnt say thre was a crime ( yo may have noticed a few on the news lately), but it was an annoyance at 4am.

And yes, sometimes, it is possible to distinguish different dialects that can lead one to conclude region, age, male, female, education level, socio-economic level, and through deductive and inductive reasoning, even race.

As far as a crime being committed or not: We dont know.
But right now we know that a person, possibly black based on many things that JamesOn Dean didn't or couldn't explain, tried to enter his building at 4am.

IF a crime was committed around 4:25am, based on his description, I''d be looking for a Black guy- not Indian, Chinese, or Greek. ( The beastie boys aside - who, on occasion, use their "black" voices but only for music sales not entry to buildings to my knowledge).

Really, If one had heard a Carribean or Jamaican accent, could one guess that the person was Black....? OF COURSE!!
I'd be willing to bet that everyone posting would have concluded that the person ringing the buzzer sounded one way or another. And they wouldnt be racist for saying so.

No everyone doesn't sound the same and there are many factors to ones speech patterns besides race. But certain patterns of speech are used more often by certain groups or races.

Thats what makes the Richard Pryor, Eddie Murphy or Davis Chappelle impression of a "white" person speaking comedic to so many: The KNOWN DIFFERNCES in speech pattern and annunciation between RACES of people, while there are exceptions, can be identified.

Am I missing something?

candicissima · March 2006

My last post on this (I swear!): Like I said before, the fact that James described it as a black male voice doesn't even bother me. But when I showed my roommate the thread, he thought a few things were interesting:

1) From a black male voice buzzing his apartment at 4am, motives unknown, James' reaction: "This guy is probably up to no good, let me call the cops."

2) The immediate reaction of a few people on the thread was that the guy having a black male voice is relevant because he was probably trying to break into the building until James's quick thinking kept him out.

3) The "anti-PC" defensive responses when people asked how anyone is sure he was actually black and/or what that has to do with anything.

Because there actually was no crime that happened (as far as anyone knows) besides someone being annoying and waking James out of his sleep at 4am. And yet the cops had to be on the lookout for a random black male who rang a bell and went away? I find the level of defensive paranoia really amusing. LOCK YOU DOORS.

alafairnadia · March 2006

Subject: Re: Be careful about who you buzz in.

JamesOnDean wrote: I also called the cops, who said they'd drive by and take a look. The person had what sounded to be a black male voice, was not drunk or slurred, but was being purposefully unintelligible.

huh. I missed that first sentence in the quote I chose.

sweet tea · March 2006

Candicissima wrote:

1) From a black male voice buzzing his apartment at 4am, motives unknown, James' reaction: "This guy is probably up to no good, let me call the cops."
.

Well, considering we do know that a number of buildings have burned recently, helped along in the early morning hours by someone who likely gained access to places he or she did not live (as witnessed by the fact that the fires started in common areas), it does not seem completely unreasonable to me to suggest that a person of any vocal quality trying to get into a building where he or she does not live or have a legitimate reason to visit (leaving aside, I admit, the possibility that said person just hit the wrong buzzer and was making a weird joke and didn't say "oops" when he or she realized that he (or she) had hit the wrong buzzer) at 4 in the morning, might be a person to be somewhat suspicious of.

Anyway, how do we know this person was male, just from a voice? Surely everyone has at one time or other encountered a woman with a deep voice -- or a countertenor. But when James says the voice was male, we know that what he means is something like: "the voice sounded like the voices of many men and compartively few women."

sevenoneeighty · March 2006

I think what may be missed by many is that JamesonDean did not necessarily call the cops only because the voice 'sounded black".

He does mention the description of the voice, but you make the presumption that that was the only reason he called...It was the strange behavior that made him call the cops, and then consequently give the description he gave.

I am willing to bet that "race" was NOT the intention of the post or call to the cops. But this is what everyone is selecting to focus on. The mere mention of "race", even as it pertains to characteristics, causes so many to overreact and jump to conclusions.

When you cannot even mention race, you can never improve race relations. JamesOnDean is not a racist but now he will always fear ever mentioning race for ANY reason - even if it may help in a situation.

Is this the world we want to live in?

candicissima · March 2006

SevenOneEighty wrote: When you cannot even mention race, you can never improve race relations. JamesOnDean is not a racist but now he will always fear ever mentioning race for ANY reason - even if it may help in a situation.

Is this the world we want to live in?

First of all, no one besides his "defenders," who were the first (and practically only) ones to throw the word around, is implying that James is a racist. I think in the instance he was being overly paranoid and that's not the way I would've reacted, even considering the recent cases of arson. And secondly, the implication that any sort of talk involving race has to involve some of the participants being coddled is pretty offensive in itself. If James or someone else feels inhibited to mention race because of an insecure fear of potential backlash, that's frankly their own fucking problem and no, I don't want to (or do) live in a world where I cater to that.

devincf · March 2006

Candicissima wrote: My last post on this (I swear!): Like I said before, the fact that James described it as a black male voice doesn't even bother me. But when I showed my roommate the thread, he thought a few things were interesting:

1) From a black male voice buzzing his apartment at 4am, motives unknown, James' reaction: "This guy is probably up to no good, let me call the cops."

2) The immediate reaction of a few people on the thread was that the guy having a black male voice is relevant because he was probably trying to break into the building until James's quick thinking kept him out.

3) The "anti-PC" defensive responses when people asked how anyone is sure he was actually black and/or what that has to do with anything.

Because there actually was no crime that happened (as far as anyone knows) besides someone being annoying and waking James out of his sleep at 4am. And yet the cops had to be on the lookout for a random black male who rang a bell and went away? I find the level of defensive paranoia really amusing. LOCK YOU DOORS.

Nonsense. First of all, there are dialect and accent differences between races, cultures and classes.

Second, buzzing every buzzer in an attempt to gain access to a building is a tried and true method for criminals or junkies looking for a place to fix and crash. Ask any cop. Further, no one delivers at 4 am, so that alone is suspicious.

Will the cops "be on the look out?" No. But if the incident is filed they will know that there is someone with that MO in the area. If it keeps happening, they can be on the look out.

There's paranoia and there's common sense. But by all means, buzz people into your building at 4am. Let us know what happens.

alafairnadia · March 2006

devincf wrote: Will the cops "be on the look out?" No. But if the incident is filed they will know that there is someone with that MO in the area. If it keeps happening, they can be on the look out.

I don't think making a phone call gets an incident filed. from what I recall of the subway masterbator story, you have to request that an incident report be filed officially, and you may have to do that in person at the station. just an fyi.

outeraccelerator · March 2006

Subject: damn buzzers

people are always buzzing random buzzers in the building i live in. theres a lot of buttons on the front door, very close together, sometimes i get a half buzz by mistake, other times its very obviously a buzz. who knows, they could be hitting five at once hoping someone will let them in.

unless i am expecting company or a package/delivery, i don't buzz it in.

4am food delivery is shifty as hell. at that hour i wouldnt even say anything into the buzzer, esp. since im female. (hey we just have to be more careful.) but i might hit 'listen' to be nosy.

pensodyssey · March 2006

Carnivore wrote: [quote=nybt]Are you for real? Really... are you?

[white devil voice]Hey, buddy- let it go. 'Kay, dude?[/white devil voice]

FYI: all white people sound like Spicoli from Fast Times at Ridgemont High

This is not true, and I am deeply offended at this kind of stereotyping. I certainly don't sound like Spicoli. In actual fact, I'm much closer to Mr. Hand.

"What is this fascination with truancy?"

armchair_warrior · March 2006

RBG wrote: This conversation became a race issue the minute the writer described the voice as that of a black man. And the terminology the NYPD uses in "male black," not "black male." Would you have let the person in had he said, "hey buddy...can you buzz me in..i don't have my key, dude..."
would we be having this conversation if the guy who rang your bell "sounded white." The Son of Sam probably "sounded white." The Preppy Killer sho nuff "sounded white." What if the Unibomber rang your bell at 4am? He probably would've sounded white, too. Shall I go on about all the dangerous people who didn't sound black, but white. Be very careful when a sinister sounding white person rings your bell at 4am, saying "Hey Dude...can you buzz me in." Doublelock your doors and call the police, pronto.

*pass some weed to the dude.

chill bro

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