Person hit by vehicle at Carroll and Eighth Monday morning
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Matt Foley wrote: A witness posted on Brownstoner -- it looks like the victim was in the crosswalk and the driver was speeding.
I'm with you on that, swngnmonk.I was also in this intersection on the west side of 8th Ave - pedestrian was struck on the east / park side of the 8th Ave in the Carroll St crosswalk. This driver was FLYING up Carroll. Anyone who says sun glare is an issue...clearly we have all had this happen as drivers, however speed should be reduced if that's the case. I would estimate he was going close to 50mph. He flew by me across 8th Ave...I did not hear brakes just the impact and there were no skid marks indicating any attempt to stop. If you saw it, you know how he was hit extraordinarily hard based on how high he flew in the air and forward away from the car. We all share the roads, pedestrians and drivers alike. Neither has more of a right to negligence. We all must take care to know our surroundings, but speed limits were clearly not abided by in this case. It was a horrific scene that could only be caused by excessive speed.
So much for the theory that a 57-year old man decided to dart out from between parked cars without looking. :roll:
I sincerely hope there is a criminal investigation. So sad, so unnecessary. -
BoogieKnight wrote: Seriously people, popping out from the middle of parked cars or walking blindly into car traffic will get you killed.
Absolutely agree. I teach people who are blind how to cross streets and crossing at an intersection and not in the middle of the block is the first rule of thumb.
NOBODY is saying or implying that the driver of the car has the RIGHT to hit you - just that you may very well get hit. Even a small car traveling below the legal speed limit will seriously hurt you if not kill you.
Again, the driver has no RIGHT to hit you, but as a simple rule of physics, it takes a car weighing X exactly Y long to come to a complete stop.
A jaywalking pedestrian crossing from betw. parked vehicles when the nearest moving car is 50 or more yards away is a completely different scenario from someone popping in front of a moving car that is 10ft away. The pedestrian's gonna get hit.
Nobody wants to get hit by a car and nobody wants to hit and kill another being or animal with their car (psychos excepted, of course).
It's a shame about the poor man struck this morning. -
Why wasn't he taken to Methodist?--it is much closer than Sunset Park....
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also from Brownstoner:
"Sadly I was there and unfortunately saw the entire horrendous accident...and that is exactly what it was...regardless to all those on this blog who speculate and insert their own biases. Does anyone know today about the man who was hit? Those of us who were there who did not know him have been praying for his life.
Posted by: notablogger at February 3, 2009 11:11 PM"
Imagine that, two differing opinions. Pick one you like. -
eggcream wrote: also from Brownstoner:
The comment I posted added two vital pieces of information: (1) the driver was speeding; and (2) the pedestrian was in the crosswalk. The comment you posted refutes neither of those details. No one is saying that the act was intentional -- thus, yes, it was an accident. But there are far too many pedestrians being killed in such accidents in NYC, and speed makes a big difference in whether a pedestrian struck by a car is killed:
"Sadly I was there and unfortunately saw the entire horrendous accident...and that is exactly what it was...regardless to all those on this blog who speculate and insert their own biases. Does anyone know today about the man who was hit? Those of us who were there who did not know him have been praying for his life.
Posted by: notablogger at February 3, 2009 11:11 PM"
Imagine that, two differing opinions. Pick one you like.Speed has serious consequences when a pedestrian is involved (see Exhibit III-4). A pedestrian hit at 64.4 km/h (40 mph) has an 85-percent chance of being killed; at 48.3 km/h (30 mph), the likelihood goes down to 45 percent, while at 32.2 km/h (20 mph), the fatality rate is only 5 percent (U.K. Department of Transport).
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Many of the same drivers use 8th Ave 5 days a week to cross from the Prospect Exp, to Flatbush Ave. They are gonna do it as fast as they can, there is no reason not to. The speed limit is unenforced, there is no enforcement of "use horn in emergency" and gridlock is a regular thing at Union St.
Why should the drivers care about the safety of pedestrians, that would just slow them down. The only reason they are in their car is to get where they are going as fast as possible.
The only reason (many of us) use our metrocards to get on the subways is because IF WE DO NOT WE KNOW WE WILL GET IN TROUBLE. Reckless drivers drive that way because they know THEY CAN GET AWAY WITH IT. If enforcement of speed limits on city streets would get the same that of catching turnstyle jumpers, the streets would be a lot safer for pedestrians and drivers alike.
I usually walk but I do own a car -
I would love to see more enforcement of traffic regulations. As a driver that is focused on following the rules and trying to respect other cars and pedestrians alike, all of the stupid and selfish things that so many other drivers and pedestrians do all the time enrage me. Very often when I see another selfish and reckless act by a driver or pedestrian I try to comfort myself by thinking that their day of reckoning will come. Unfortunately this day of reckoning also usually includes undeserving innocent bystanders. Whatever the reasons I hope the police can better enforce traffic regulations for all in the future.
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Between the cyclist's death and this incident, I'd say speed bumps are long overdue along the length of 8th Avenue. It's the only way to get these idiot drivers to slow down.
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The cyclist death was the result of a turning bus and a moving cyclist coliding, not speed. This accident was on Caroll Street at the intersection of 8th, not on 8th itself. Speed bumps on 8th would not have prevented either one of these accidents.
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LongTimeSloper wrote: So sad that this person lost their life yesterday
Hold on a sec, how do you know that? I haven't seen any updates on this poor man's condition... -
bklynpetunia wrote: [quote=LongTimeSloper]So sad that this person lost their life yesterday
Hold on a sec, how do you know that? I haven't seen any updates on this poor man's condition...
Look at the top of this page. -
pitu wrote: [quote=bklynpetunia][quote=LongTimeSloper]So sad that this person lost their life yesterday
Hold on a sec, how do you know that? I haven't seen any updates on this poor man's condition...
Look at the top of this page.
No, I don't think that is correct. NY1 reported at 11pm the night of the accident that he was in critical condition, and that seems to be the last anyone has heard. The quote you are referring to was given at the scene shortly after the accident, so it must have been mistaken. I thought that Longtime Sloper had read/heard something since then. Between this thread and the ones on Brownstoner, StreetsBlog, etc. concerning this accident, a lot of unconfirmed info is being repeated as fact. This man lives in the community and probably has friends and acquaintances in the Slope who maybe don't want to pester the family for firsthand updates, so I think we should be careful to distinguish between fact and conjecture. Have there been any updates since Monday night? Maybe no news is good news... -
Subject: still no news on man's condition?
i witnessed the accident and was one of the first on the scenes. The man was alive when they took him to lutheran hospital so reports that he died at the scene are inaccurate. If anyone has any definitive information about the man and his condition it would be appreciated. -
Subject: Re: still no news on man's condition?
alex222fish wrote: i witnessed the accident and was one of the first on the scenes. The man was alive when they took him to lutheran hospital so reports that he died at the scene are inaccurate. If anyone has any definitive information about the man and his condition it would be appreciated.
i certainly hope he is ok as well, but have heard so many different versions of what happened and whether or not he survived,
that i just dont know. -
Better News From StreetBlog
http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/02/04/to-nypd-anyone-outside-a-car-is-asking-for-it/
Don Wiss
I have learned that the 57 year old man is my next door neighbor on 1st Street below 8th Ave. He commutes to work via the IRT. So he would have been walking north on 8th Ave at that time. I learned that he was walking with his daughter and the car was going up Carroll Street very fast. Apparently the car had the green light. Maybe talking with his daughter distracted him? He is in critical condition, but he is not dead.
February 8, 2009 at 8:24 pm Link # 28 -
ringrunner wrote: Better News From StreetBlog
YEAH!!!!
http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/02/04/to-nypd-anyone-outside-a-car-is-asking-for-it/
Don Wiss
I have learned that the 57 year old man is my next door neighbor on 1st Street below 8th Ave. He commutes to work via the IRT. So he would have been walking north on 8th Ave at that time. I learned that he was walking with his daughter and the car was going up Carroll Street very fast. Apparently the car had the green light. Maybe talking with his daughter distracted him? He is in critical condition, but he is not dead.
February 8, 2009 at 8:24 pm Link # 28
Thx for digging this up ringrunner! -
ringrunner wrote: Better News From StreetBlog
Good news, thanks for the post. Sad how some jumped to conclusions that he was dead.
http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/02/04/to-nypd-anyone-outside-a-car-is-asking-for-it/
Don Wiss
I have learned that the 57 year old man is my next door neighbor on 1st Street below 8th Ave. He commutes to work via the IRT. So he would have been walking north on 8th Ave at that time. I learned that he was walking with his daughter and the car was going up Carroll Street very fast. Apparently the car had the green light. Maybe talking with his daughter distracted him? He is in critical condition, but he is not dead.
February 8, 2009 at 8:24 pm Link # 28 -
MOD NOTE:
This thread inspired two different conversations -- about the original event, and a more general discussion about cars, drivers, bikes, and pedestrians.
The general discussion about the perils has been split off here
http://www.brooklynian.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=48685
If anyone has updates about the poor guy that was hit at Carroll and 8th Ave last week, please continue to post right here.
thx -
This is from Bronwstoner:
http://www.brownstoner.com/brownstoner/archives/2009/02/developing_pede.php
I am a member of the family affected by this tragedy. I've been reading these posts and I want to respond briefly to the community, and especially to those who were witness to the accident of February 2. Thank you for your prayers, concern, and good thoughts. The situation is still unfolding for us. My uncle remains in critical condition in ICU in a coma, under constant watch from his family. We continue to pray for his recovery.
Posted by: RFI at February 13, 2009 9:00 PM
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