Atlantic Yards on Brian Lehrer Today
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Another Vision for the Atlantic Yards
Friday, July 08, 2005. 10:00 AM
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A dark horse proposal has emerged as a bidder for the Atlantic Rail Yards site in Brooklyn. Rather than the 60-story high rises and a basketball arena proposed by Forrest City Ratner, Extell wants to build 28-story apartment buildings and no stadium.
Can't See the Towers for the Arena?
Ed Weintrob, founder and publisher of The Brooklyn Papers,
-says New York media have missed the story on the planned Brooklyn arena
» The Brooklyn Papers
Another Vision for the Atlantic Yards
Friday, July 08, 2005. 10:00 AM
820 AM
93.9 FM
A dark horse proposal has emerged as a bidder for the Atlantic Rail Yards site in Brooklyn. Rather than the 60-story high rises and a basketball arena proposed by Forrest City Ratner, Extell wants to build 28-story apartment buildings and no stadium.
Can't See the Towers for the Arena?
Ed Weintrob, founder and publisher of The Brooklyn Papers,
-says New York media have missed the story on the planned Brooklyn arena
» The Brooklyn Papers
Comments
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Subject: So What
You, like everyone else, are hoping that public awareness regarding this project will alter it.
Well, you're kidding yourself.
You can post about the time, date and channel of anything related to this project, but there are 49 percent who are committed to this project (RAT = 51%) as individual investors that are in the media themselves (Radio, television, newspaper). The sports complex is reason enough for their involvement, but this project (Unlike the idiots who dictate the WTC projetc) is market driven (Residential). And those in residential real estate development are safe with their investments for @ least 1 year after Jed Bush's second term in office.
7 WTC is empty with absolutely no leases, but these apts will not be.
Long live to the sellouts of Pacific and Dean streets.
Atlantic Avenue is wide enough that only in the winter months (will the residents on the north side of atlantic) will the upper floors of the skyscrappers cast a shadow on thee homes. Just as a reminder, salt is on sale now -
EXCELLENT POINTS YOU MEKE!!
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troll.
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Subject: Re: So What
Anonymous wrote: ... are safe with their investments for @ least 1 year after Jed Bush's second term in office.
Isn't the idiot-in-chief's brother named Jeb? :roll: -
And, maybe I'm missing something here, but what does Jed (oh, yea JEB :shock: ) Bush's tenure in office (assuming he means as Gov. of Florida) have anything to do with this? Or does this person actually think old Jed with HIS baggage is a viable candidate for Shrub in Chief? Or has he mistaken Jeb for George, which is unfortunate. Or, maybe he was thinking of Jed Clampett, now THAT would make sense. Although, I think JC's dead.
But ... I guess that's a whole 'nother issue. But stranger things have happened. :? -
Subject: Jed Bush completes the trilogy
Look guys, lifes never fair. I know this because I'm a democrat by choice.
Jed is the heir apparent to his brother. I am just looking into the inevitable crystal ball.
You don't have to agree with me, but the truth is just a few years away.
This plan (Atlantic rail yards project) is going through. Excell's bid will invariably be way too low, and embarrasing because their proposal calls for less apartments and no arena = a very low profit margin. So they'll have to bid lower because the banking system says so. You must own your land before you can be funded for a development (Equity).
On the other hand Ratnerville is planning on twice the amount of realestate along with an arena. His bid will dwarf the competition because his profits will be greater.
I personally am disgusted with Gehry's work and don't care for Marty's political tactics. What I propose is that someone should run (I think you can put your name on the ballot before the 31st of July) and your campaign should be an anti-Ratnerville. Even if you should receive 45,000 votes, that'll send a message to Marty, otherwise get use to the acreage of shadows casting on Atlantic Avenue and the shorter developments on the North side -
Subject: Don't be part of the problem.
Anonymous wrote: This plan (Atlantic rail yards project) is going through. Excell's bid will invariably be way too low, and embarrasing because their proposal calls for less apartments and no arena = a very low profit margin. So they'll have to bid lower because the banking system says so. You must own your land before you can be funded for a development (Equity).
You really should do some more reading before spouting off on this important issue, "Guest." You have no clue as to what the bids are--and neither does anyone else not directly involved in the process--because they aren't public. The bids are chasing the same piece of MTA land, even though FCR plans to develop private land as well as part of its project, through eminent domain if need be. Since Extell (get some spelling involved as well, please) is quite experienced with the bidding game, you can believe that it will be very competitive with FCR. This is an established firm, which owns the W among other major buildings, and was just part of a $1.8 billion purchase on the West Side from Trump. Extell is not small fry, and will not be making an "embarassingly low" bid. One would guess that FCR also would not have overbid on the land itself as a sort of pre-emptive strike, because it didn't know that any other firm would even be bidding--and Extell's bid came in at 4:45pm on day of deadline, so there's no way FCR could have changed its bid at that point.
On the other hand Ratnerville is planning on twice the amount of realestate along with an arena. His bid will dwarf the competition because his profits will be greater.
The real question to me is whether or not the bidding system itself is equitable, and how much the MTA will weight future tax revenue/*permanent* job creation, overall community benefit and the like when considering the bids. The future revenue question is legitimate, but when we're talking about just the MTA land parcel (and for the bid, we are), given that the arena likely will be a loss leader, that's not so obvious either. If the bidding system is equitable, then Extell's bid will have to be given serious consideration. If it isn't, then that's a whole extra round of conflict.
Your defeatist attitude is part of the reason the Dems are having such fits these days. Please don't "help" the debate in my backyard if that's what you bring to the table. -
Subject: Trilogy succesful
"Guest." You have no clue as to what the bids are--and neither does anyone else not directly involved in the process--because they aren't public
Extell is not small fry, and will not be making an "embarassingly low" bid.
I thought you said that the bids were not public. Hmm, do you have a clue or not. Utopia is sitting on a shelf with Skimmer as your guide.
Long live Ratnerville -
Skinner; my error
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Troll.
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The MTA must be transparent and fair. will it be? doubtful.
see here: http://tinyurl.com/blzag
the only way they might be is public and political pressure.
even that works, sometimes, with fascist thugs. -
Subject: Ratner for President
Long live fat wallets
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