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outrageously high nat'l grid bills — Brooklynian

outrageously high nat'l grid bills

julierebecca
edited November -1 in Park Slope

Subject: outrageously high nat'l grid bills

so i just moved to brooklyn a few months ago, first time in nyc. i live in what i guess is a pre-war apartment building in south park slope area -- with a gigantic, old gas furnace in the kitchen that fires up, rumbles and makes all these spitting noises. the kitchen is generally warm but the rest of the apartment is FREEZING. i have to layer on the blankets at night -- and my national grid bill has been like $230! (which includes gas water heater and stove). is this normal? do i have any recourse with my landlords??

Comments

  • Are you sure it's not your estimated reading?
  • Yeah -- you should definitely contact National Grid and see what the deal is. I find their billing system (estimated bills, flat rate, whatever) to be really confusing. If your bill really is that much, then you should probably talk to your landlord, cuz that is crazayzy.
  • I presume this is a big rectangular box against the wall? If it is most of your heat is going up the chimney. Actually 230 isn't terrible since it includes heat. Although you could save money by putting some through the wall fans into other rooms to circulate the hot air from the kitchen. I bet you could turn the thing down if more heat got to the other rooms. I think Broan makes a fan that can be mounted in the upper corner of a door frame that pushes the air to another room. If you want to get fancy, take some disposed of duct work out of a dumpster and tape it together with duct tape (of all things) and send it into the other room with a blower at one end. Ah oh, sorry you're girls, never mind.
  • You didn't say how many square feet your apartment is. Of course if you have wondows that are not tight and other let the heat escape situations in there then the square footage is not the most important question. Did this landlord advise you what the charges per month had been for previous tenant during the winter months? Did he not mention it? Did he lie? No matter because you have no recourse against the landlord. You signed the lease that says you are responsible.

    Trust me if I sound like I am ranting I am not ranting against you but only against Nationalgrid.
  • thats sounds very high!

    do u rent or own?

    if you rent, your heat should be covered by landlord. my bill for a floor through in a brownstone (700 sq ft) with hot water and stove AND gas clothes dryer is under $100...

    call the gas company
  • I agree that the bill sounds very high.
    Aside from the cost issue, your landlord is responsible for providing a minimum level of heat. This is the link from nyc.gov that has full detals.

    http://www.nyc.gov/html/hpd/html/tenants/heat-and-hot-water.shtml

    If your apartment is not heated adequately, it is best to talk to the landlord and building management first. If they are not co-operative, call 311.
    In every apartment I have occupied, heat has been included in the rent. I thought this was standard but may be wrong. In any case, suggest you check the wording of your lease in this regard.
  • It is common but not "standard" that the tenant's rent include the heat the landlord is obligated to provide. I hope the OP returns and clarifies their specific situation so we can give some good advice. the OP said the furnace is in "the kitchen" which makes me think that the unit has its own boiler... but I am only guessing.
  • ^^ yep. I rent and I pay my own heat.
  • We also pay for our heat/hot water (boiler in the basement). In January our bill was like $300 and we keep our place at 68 in the day and 62 at night. Higher than last year, but then again it was COLD so the thing ran constantly.

    Just to clarify, as others have said, the landlord is legally required to provide adequate heat. But who pays for it depends on what you signed up for in your lease.

    Last year our neighbors got a bill for $900. Now that was a mistake! :)
  • Thanks for all the feedback – I do rent, and I do understand that I signed a lease saying I was responsible for paying heat. But, yes, the lease does obligate the landlord to provide a functioning furnace, central air, whatever and I don’t consider this furnace – a big box that looks like it came from the 1970s – functioning. I keep it on medium to keep my bill down to $230 – but under those circumstances, it’s really only the kitchen that gets heated, and even that room is a little cold (and I don’t think I’ve ever lived somewhere where the landlord picked up heat). If I turned it up, I’m guessing the kitchen would get unbearably warm and the rest of the apartment would still be cold. I don’t know my square footage, it’s a rectangular place divided into three-four small rooms. It’s not big and there are no hallways or doors. I did contact National Grid – they said it’s not an estimate, it’s an actual reading and that my bill did sound high for a one-bedroom. They said most landlords have a service contract with the utility for I guess repairs and cleaning and that if the landlord wanted to have someone come out to look at it, they need to call 1-877-600-4743. So, my landlord is sending their own super to look at it. I’m not confident that will end will. I await springtime.
  • Good luck with getting the situation resolved if it is at all possible. The fact that the boiler is older may turn out not to be the problem. We recently replaced a boiler that was installed in the 70's and it was still working fine. We replaced it because the new boiler is more efficient so it was cost effective.
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