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Should Board Posters Be Required To Register? — Brooklynian

Should Board Posters Be Required To Register?

steve
edited November -1 in Park Slope
I'm told on the heights board, registration is mandatory. I don't think there is a huge problem with trolls or spam posts, but as the board grows in popularity, I'm sure those problems will grow as well.

My thoughts? This is a neighborhood forum and I'd like to know the people in my neighborhood, as more than guests. I like the post counts too, they are a good indicator of involvement, better than none anyway.

I expect that everyone of you will agree with me without exception. :roll:

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  • Subject: Re: Should Board Posters Be Required To Register?

    steve wrote: I expect that everyone of you will agree with me without exception. :roll:
    ha! thanks for the chuckle.

    the previous discussion . . .
    http://dailyheights.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=426&highlight=register
    and here
    http://www.dailyheights.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=378
    and here
    http://dailyheights.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1254&highlight=register

    and the joy when registering finally happened, here
    http://dailyheights.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1914&highlight=register

    I think this board basically falls apart due to flaming Guests.
    There was also a little issue on the Heights board with regulars using Guest postings to sockpuppet bile.
  • I'd rather see people have the option to post as guests. I don't see any big problem here with spam and trolls. This board isn't that busy, period, and it's easy enough to ignore the few such posts I see.

    Guest posting can be a way for people to dip their toes into a forum, and I'd rather not lose those posts. I don't think, in general, the guest postings here are any less respectful or intelligent than registered users'. And I don't think we have a troll problem that's worth losing some worthwhile guest comments.

    Above all, the flip side of community is cliquishness. Like other boards, this one can be kind of cliquish, and registration-required boards tend to be the most cliiquish of all. I'd rather not see this become a bullpen for likeminded pals who are comfortable with one another. From what I've read here, guest posts often come from people who are disagreeing with some of the more prolific regulars. If that's the only way they're comfortable doing that, I'd rather have them disagree as guests than not post altogether.

    In fact, there are some guests who regularly post under the same handles. I don't really know why, and I know that registering would prevent them from posting multiply under different handles (or from having others pose as them). But if that's what they really prefer, I don't really care what their reasons are.
  • linusvanpelt wrote: This board isn't that busy, period, and it's easy enough to ignore the few such posts I see.
    I wonder if this board isn't taking off because people check it out, say something about negativity and leave. Or, alternately, vomit out their complaint and leave. I think we see alot of postings like that.
    linusvanpelt wrote:
    Guest posting can be a way for people to dip their toes into a forum, and I'd rather not lose those posts.
    I'm sure you're right about the initial guesting option - I didn't register for awhile, until a plea was put out to register. But as long as it's an easy thing I don' think it's too much to ask, and I think it builds on-line community. It also gives an non-message board PMing option of contacting people, helpful to mods in a flamewar. . .
  • pitu wrote: I wonder if this board isn't taking off because people check it out, say something about negativity and leave. Or, alternately, vomit out their complaint and leave. I think we see alot of postings like that.
    But if you required registration, if I follow your thinking, those people wouldn't post at all, right? So how would that make the board take off any more? I suppose you could make the case that the guest postings are somehow turning off lurkers, who othen never join. Maybe, but unprovable and I doubt it. I just don't see the rife negativity here. Arguments, sure. So what? This board is a freaking tea party compared to plenty of other boards I've visited.

    I do, though, think that there is a cliquishness and insularity here that puts some people off, and that would be made worse by requiring registration. Look at the recent thread on double strollers. I thought there was hostility on both sides, but look how the sides broke down: mostly guests on one side, and on the other, very frequent regulars, some of their posting counts running into the thousands. (And it was a registered user who made the obnoxious comment implying that mothers of twins were being made psycho by fertility drugs.)

    By the end of that thread, you had some of the guests saying they were through posting here. And I don't blame them -- there's a definite regulars-circling-the-wagons dynamic that I think must put off some new people. At least with guest posting, they gave it a shot, and some of them may decide to stick around. But I suspect that with registration, they wouldn't, and the board will just become more like-minded and clubby.
  • The dynamic on this board is rather different from the PH board and that's why it and the rest are able to continue without required registration. If you got a collection of nasty trolls harassing mods, then that might change. Until then though, whatever.
  • pitu wrote: I'm sure you're right about the initial guesting option - I didn't register for awhile, until a plea was put out to register. But as long as it's an easy thing I don' think it's too much to ask, and I think it builds on-line community. It also gives an non-message board PMing option of contacting people, helpful to mods in a flamewar. . .
    btw, I totally agree about the advantages of registering -- obvs I did myself. I'd rather people registered, I just think we'd lose more than we gain by mandating it.
  • Well, I definately see the freedom of choice thing, and I think that yes, there are people who will make a quick post and wouldn't do it if they had to register, but I would rather have 3 members with rich, recognizable personalities rather than 9 with nothing... guests. Those are the people I will pay more attention to on the boards.

    Finally, registration take 10 seconds if it is simplified, which it can be using phbbb. All you need is an email address and a password, you don't even have to require a legitimate addresss I think.
  • Subject: why I haven't registered

    I would like to explain why I haven't registered since I have been a frequent guest poster and I am wondering if certain members want to rid the board of guests like me. I tried out this board when the first stroller debate erupted and my responses ellicted a lot of hostility, to the point where I didn't want a few core members to know who I am nor to have an address where they could email me. I thought (perhaps wrongly) that the stuff they would email me in private would be more hostile than what they would post on the boards. I eat out a fair amount, like to read about restaurants and I like a good debate and have tried to stay on topic (but of course with email, it is easy to veer off and I apologize for the few times I have been rude). Also, unlike most other neighborhood boards, this one doesn't require you to sign your name. So even if registered, it would still be basically an anonymous board--except with a place to PM. So I thought by always using the same name, I was basically signed in--everyone would know which posts were mine but certain members couldn't gang up and PM me into submission.!
  • Kensingtonmom's points seem totally reasonable. However, I think the guest posting ban isn't meant to stifle opposing points of view, but rather to cut out people who anonymously post inflammatory comments and disappear. The guest posting ban on the PH board hasn't stopped debate. Many of the formerly unregistered advocates of less popular points of view registered and continued to post. I think registering makes the discussion friendlier for the most part by making everyone seem "in the fold" in a way. Maybe Jack Krohn can comment on this, since he used to post on PH unregistered but has since registered and continued to post (but posts on the PS board unregistered).

    I don't think anyone has to worry about PM spam from registered posters, even if you don't trust our intentions, since the admin can track PMs and cut off anyone who's abusing them. No one else can see your personal info unless you choose to post it.

    Also, the number of registered users has more than doubled since the posting ban on the PH board went into effect.
  • Carnivore wrote:

    Also, the number of registered users has more than doubled since the posting ban on the PH board went into effect.
    If that's the case, wow. Has the overall number of posts increased too? Apparantly making the board sticky has had an effect.
  • I also posted several times as a Guest before registering. I think it's good to let people ease themselves into the board. While there have been some negative posts, there's nothing about registration that prevents general ugliness. Unless this board develops a spam problem, I'd say leave it open.
  • Actually, registration does prevent a lot of ugliness because it requires people to own up to their words on some level, and it allows mods to ban people efficiently (so far, just the Russian Viagra dealer). Before the PH board required registration, I routinely spent my entire lunch hour dealing with various meltdowns between posters, and spam. Now I don't. The difference is crystal clear to me.

    I don't have a problem with people saying, "I believe that the board should allow guest posting" because I do understand why it might be desirable. But I want to hear those same people saying "And I volunteer to be a mod." It's not an issue on this board yet, but eventually it probably will be, and when that happens I want to see people put their own free time (not mine and the other mods') where their mouth is.
  • I would note that the most active and interesting thread on the board right now, about the number of people of color in the slope, is from N. Slope Princess, a guest poster.

    To EmilyM, I totally understand your not wanting to be overwhelmed with deleting work. (For myself, I can say unequivocally that I would never want to be a mod -- but I'm also willing to ignore spam and trolls, and as for simple angry, ugly posts, I mean, come on, this is the Internet. But maybe that's just me.) But it sounds like you're agreeing that it's not much of a problem on the PS board board yet, so why institute the requirement pre-emptively?
  • I don't think EmilyM is advocating for required registration on the PS board - I think she's saying why it is necessary on super active boards. and if you look at some of the older posts on the PH board (which have been significantly cleaned up) you'll see why this was an issue. the guests weren't ignorable - they were extremely obnoxious. many of their posts had to be redacted or deleted.
  • I'd say, if that becomes the case on the PaSlo board, implement the required registration.
  • Also - another thought: spoofers. People who regularly post under the same Guest handle cannot guarantee that they will be the only person posting under that anon name. What's stopping me from posting under the name Kensingtonmom (as an example)? Nothing except honesty. Requiring registration also gives users security in knowing that no one else is pretending to be him/her.
  • meganlibrarian wrote: Also - another thought: spoofers. People who regularly post under the same Guest handle cannot guarantee that they will be the only person posting under that anon name. What's stopping me from posting under the name Kensingtonmom (as an example)? Nothing except honesty. Requiring registration also gives users security in knowing that no one else is pretending to be him/her.
    Right. I said in my first post here, "In fact, there are some guests who regularly post under the same handles. I don't really know why, and I know that registering would prevent them from posting multiply under different handles (or from having others pose as them). But if that's what they really prefer, I don't really care what their reasons are."

    Required registration protects a guest from spoofing. But so does optional registration. If Kensingtonmom (for example) is worried someone might post as her, she's free to register. If she doesn't want to take that step, that's her business. And if someone else assumes her identity, I don't see what the real harm is to me -- not do I see the need to take away her options in order to protect her from her own choices.

    I chose to register myself. I just don't see any benefit here -- on this board, as it stands now -- in enforcing my own choices on other people.
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