Ageism at Chip Shop

i can't say i blame them. when i was that age if i went to a place with friends that was gonna cost more than a couple of bucks you could pretty much assume that we would dine and dash.

Zebra wrote: I'm wondering at what age you people got over these nasty habits of yours, or if maybe we should still be keeping an eye on you.

join us at the next happy hour. I'm not sure if we've had the same antics since high school, but there are antics.

ringrunner wrote: My wife works in Brooklyn high school (not in the Slope, but not far) her students are not allowed to leave the building during the school day. Not for lunch.

This rule was a result of a negation between the Borad of Ed and the Community Board.

The shopkeepers were afraid of disruptive behavior.

I beleive their fear was their $oss

When I went to St. Saviour we weren't allowed to leave the school for lunch either. I do remember successfully sneaking out for coffee once or twice though. They did not serve coffee in the cafeteria.

"katieslope" wrote: I think business is better than NO business. Why not just give them the opportunity TO be ridiculous and THEN kick them out.

Because by then, they might well have bugged other customers, alienated potential customers, and wasted the waiter's time.

Frankly, it's better for a place to have a policy (no kids during school hours, or none under age X unless w/an adult) than it is to expect waitstaff to personally, subjectively screen every kid. The subjective approach is inconsistent, it's a burden on staff - and it carries the risk that, inevitably, someone will perceive that you've discriminated due to ethnicity, race, gender, or whatever.

witch-king wrote: As opposed to discrimination due to age.

Well, as a society, I think we've decided that discrimination based on younger age (not older age) is ok. We don't let children drive, or drink, or vote. We don't let them into strip clubs or many other age-inappropriate places. Children don't necessarily have a right to go into anyplace an adult is allowed. And even if Chip Shop's reasons for barring them are somewhat arbitrary, it's still totally within their rights. Personally, I think I'm more likely to go there knowing they have this policy.

Subject: Read on.

About the monday lunch incident with the teens, it's just the policy and I was just doing my job. There's a note posted up on the wall saying we can't let under aged customers eat in if you'd like to know. Those aren't MY rules, and I do care about truancy being married to a teacher myself and all. The fact that they're bad tippers is just the cherry on top of the cake, but I'll admit this: I don't like busting my ass for free, do you?? If it traumatized you this bad then maybe Chuck-E-cheese is a place to keep in mind. Bottom line is: it's the rules, they're loud, they make a mess, they could be skipping class and yes, I do know those kids and I even know which school they go to and I know for a fact they're not over 18. Snitch.

Sincerely.

Subject: Re: Read on.

Boonieboy wrote: About the monday lunch incident with the teens, it's just the policy and I was just doing my job. There's a note posted up on the wall saying we can't let under aged customers eat in if you'd like to know. Those aren't MY rules, and I do care about truancy being married to a teacher myself and all. The fact that they're bad tippers is just the cherry on top of the cake, but I'll admit this: I don't like busting my ass for free, do you?? If it traumatized you this bad then maybe Chuck-E-cheese is a place to keep in mind. Bottom line is: it's the rules, they're loud, they make a mess, they could be skipping class and yes, I do know those kids and I even know which school they go to and I know for a fact they're not over 18. Snitch.

Sincerely.

So they can't be served during school hours, but evenings and weekends are OK. Or is this a blanket ban?

They can be served anytime if they're over 18 or if they're with an adult but again, those aren't MY rules, I personally don't care as much as some of you do on this blog. I'm just there to do my job.

curleygreg wrote: [quote=Boonieboy]They can be served anytime if they're over 18 or if they're with an adult but again, those aren't MY rules, I personally don't care as much as some of you do on this blog. I'm just there to do my job.

And those rules are completely legal. Any establishment that serves alcohol needs to enforce age restrictions in order to protect themselves (and in theory, the under-agers from the "dangers" of alcohol) from being in violation with the SLA. For instance here's a story problem: Let's say a bar allows anyone 18 and over into their bar. (2) 18 year-olds and (1) 21 year-old are hanging out, it's crowded, the bartender is really busy. The 21 year-old goes up and asks for 3 beers. What should the bartender do? I mean, businesses are suffering these days right?? He/she should just make the money?! (They're supposed to ask for an i.d. for each drink they sell)

Slightly off topic, but relevant: In NY, you only need to be 18 to serve alcohol, not 21. But many, if not all, bars in NYC will not hire an 18-20 year-old to tend bar. Why? OMG is this ageism like this threads title might suggest??? No, it's safe. It's smart. Getting a violation on your liquor license is not only expensive, it will also hinder your chances to renew your license (which you have to do every 2 years). And what's a bar or restaurant without a liquor license? A soon-to-be-closed one.

Besides all this, it's true, teenagers are kinda lame.


you're argument is seriously flawed because chipshop is NOT a bar.

And am I really the only one who remembers the giant STUDENT SPECIAL sign adverting a daytime lunch special (it was on the little breezeway door thing facing north- I know I'm not making this up.) It seems kind of shitty to advert to a specific group and then ban them from the establishment...this would be on par to Union Hall saying "STROLLERS WELCOME! MOM SPECIAL!" one day and banning them the next...

curleygreg wrote: they serve alcohol. in the eyes of the SLA it's the same thing.

I understand the laws but theres basically no way a waiter could accidentally serve someone underage at chip shop unless he or she fails to card them. its not like a bar where people are having drinks bought for them and downing them in the bathroom. Would you expect olive garden to have the same law about teens? Those waiters can't even see every table at all times (chip shop has about 10 tables.)

curleygreg wrote: are you suggesting you know the probabilities of chip shop getting busted for under-age drinking better than the owner does and that he is making a big mistake by being overly cautious?

it's his livelihood and he's well within his rights.

I'm suggesting that it's way more viable that the owner doesn't want kids because they don't spend a lot and are poor tippers versus his cautiousness over under-age drinking.

For the record, I've eaten and drank at chip shop 2 or 3 times over the last year and I've never been carded. I'm 25 but am almost always carded. So much for being on the safe side.

Carmen wrote: [quote=curleygreg][quote=Boonieboy]They can be served anytime if they're over 18 or if they're with an adult but again, those aren't MY rules, I personally don't care as much as some of you do on this blog. I'm just there to do my job.

And those rules are completely legal. Any establishment that serves alcohol needs to enforce age restrictions in order to protect themselves (and in theory, the under-agers from the "dangers" of alcohol) from being in violation with the SLA. For instance here's a story problem: Let's say a bar allows anyone 18 and over into their bar. (2) 18 year-olds and (1) 21 year-old are hanging out, it's crowded, the bartender is really busy. The 21 year-old goes up and asks for 3 beers. What should the bartender do? I mean, businesses are suffering these days right?? He/she should just make the money?! (They're supposed to ask for an i.d. for each drink they sell)

Slightly off topic, but relevant: In NY, you only need to be 18 to serve alcohol, not 21. But many, if not all, bars in NYC will not hire an 18-20 year-old to tend bar. Why? OMG is this ageism like this threads title might suggest??? No, it's safe. It's smart. Getting a violation on your liquor license is not only expensive, it will also hinder your chances to renew your license (which you have to do every 2 years). And what's a bar or restaurant without a liquor license? A soon-to-be-closed one.

Besides all this, it's true, teenagers are kinda lame.


you're argument is seriously flawed because chipshop is NOT a bar.

And am I really the only one who remembers the giant STUDENT SPECIAL sign adverting a daytime lunch special (it was on the little breezeway door thing facing north- I know I'm not making this up.) It seems kind of shitty to advert to a specific group and then ban them from the establishment...

its called :
wow thats was a really dumb thing to do ! we learned our lesson !

Not allowing teens is during school hours is quite common.
Just look around the neighborhood a bit.
So apparently its not illegal and is therefore a matter of choice for the proprietor.

its entirely possible the waiter was trying to be funny and had no idea the OP would be so uninformed about the legality of the situation that they would be offended by the joke.

and im sorry but im kinda confused about why theres even hubbub about where teens are or arent allowed to hang out during school hours.
just go to school and stfu.