Co-op Board Inerview
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brooklynpotter wrote: they will go over all of your financials and question any tiny thing. this includes credit report, past tax returns, etc., which i'm sure you've already given them.
Thanks for the help. I heard about this opportunity straight from my aunt and the way I described it is how it was described to me. So I can go in there tomorrow and they could say something different. I have clarification now its 15000 and 425 a month maintenance. The maintenance will go up a few hundred dollars in a year or two because the building will be on its "own" financially whatever that means. And yes I have people around me who would never let me sign any kind of contract without talking to an attorney first. Its just an interview as far as I know as they said I didnt have to bring anything. All I did was fill out an application. I didnt give them any tax retyurns or pay stubs. Can they get that kind of stuff without me knowing?
they will ask you about your work, whether or not you have any lined up, what you would do if you didn't get work for xx months. (if you were seeking approval in our coop, for example, and we were concerned about your uneven work history, we might ask you for a year's worth of maintenance payments upfront.)
they will ask you about your life, whether you have pets, parties, musical instruments. they may or may not call your references. they will ask you what you like about the building, why you want to move there, whether you want to do any renovations.
ask them what the building is like, whether it's quiet, do people get along, what will you be responsible for. will you need to serve on the board at any time, for example? can you bring your pet boa constrictor? stuff like that. and ask if your maintenance payments will go up and why. and ask them why they are giving you a coop for 10k.
in the meantime, you really should speak with an attorney. you should never buy *any* real estate without one. regardless of the fact that your aunt is on the board it sounds shady at best. -
LongTimeSloper wrote: This sounds like something my SIL and her hubby did many many years ago. they used to say that when they were first married they owned a coop, yet, it was nothing like what we all consider a coop. they put money down on an apartment in a complex in Queens, and then paid 'maintenance" which was like rent (they also never had a mortgage). When they decided to move out, the complex "bought" the apartment back from them by basically returning the fee they had put down years before with a slight amount of interest. They were not allowed to sell the apartment themselves since they technically didn't own it the way we own our coops.
To me, this was not a coop, but they always said that is what it was called. Now, this was out in Queens about 35 years ago or so, but it sounds like the same sort of proposition.
Yes this is how it works. But here is the kicker the building will become a market rate coop and the apartment can be sold for a profit in the future. -
They are having you come in for an interview without any pay stubs or tax returns? Umm, how odd!!! Where is this place???
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i believe anyone can run a credit check on you.
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KCYCLUB1477, you don't know me from a hole in the wall but i'm going to tell you what basically everyone else here is telling you: run like hell
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KCYCLUB1477 wrote: [quote=LongTimeSloper]This sounds like something my SIL and her hubby did many many years ago. they used to say that when they were first married they owned a coop, yet, it was nothing like what we all consider a coop. they put money down on an apartment in a complex in Queens, and then paid 'maintenance" which was like rent (they also never had a mortgage). When they decided to move out, the complex "bought" the apartment back from them by basically returning the fee they had put down years before with a slight amount of interest. They were not allowed to sell the apartment themselves since they technically didn't own it the way we own our coops.
To me, this was not a coop, but they always said that is what it was called. Now, this was out in Queens about 35 years ago or so, but it sounds like the same sort of proposition.
Yes this is how it works. But here is the kicker the building will become a market rate coop and the apartment can be sold for a profit in the future.
OK, that also sounds rather odd! Do you mean they are going to allow you to sell this apartment in the future for regular market rate? i don't see how you would spend 15k and then in later years be allowed to sell for say, 400k. or, do they just say for 'profit" so that might mean, for say 30k to someone else who wants to buy in on this deal?
Again, where in the world is this place? -
The place is in Clinton Hills. Yeah as far as I know they have none of my pay stubs or tax returns tahts why I was asking if they can get this stuff without my knowledge. I know they can run a credit check but tax returns and pay rates wouldnt be on that right? Now I heard something about how they were doing home visits at prospectives apartmets to see how they live. This is all so weird at least to me.
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again, run
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LongTimeSloper wrote: [quote=KCYCLUB1477][quote=LongTimeSloper]This sounds like something my SIL and her hubby did many many years ago. they used to say that when they were first married they owned a coop, yet, it was nothing like what we all consider a coop. they put money down on an apartment in a complex in Queens, and then paid 'maintenance" which was like rent (they also never had a mortgage). When they decided to move out, the complex "bought" the apartment back from them by basically returning the fee they had put down years before with a slight amount of interest. They were not allowed to sell the apartment themselves since they technically didn't own it the way we own our coops.
To me, this was not a coop, but they always said that is what it was called. Now, this was out in Queens about 35 years ago or so, but it sounds like the same sort of proposition.
Yes this is how it works. But here is the kicker the building will become a market rate coop and the apartment can be sold for a profit in the future.
OK, that also sounds rather odd! Do you mean they are going to allow you to sell this apartment in the future for regular market rate? i don't see how you would spend 15k and then in later years be allowed to sell for say, 400k. or, do they just say for 'profit" so that might mean, for say 30k to someone else who wants to buy in on this deal?
Again, where in the world is this place?
Yea I mean maybe like a 100k I could sell it for in the future. -
So no one has ever heard of a coop doing a home visit?
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KCY, go to the interview for one reason alone: I want to hear how they spin this. It's sort of like going to time-share meetings. Also, I want to hear their reaction when you mention in passing that your lawyer will look over everything.
Just don't drink the Kool-Aid. -
KCYCLUB1477 wrote: So no one has ever heard of a coop doing a home visit?
absolutely not.
no. -
Yea its my mom and aunt who keep pushing me to do this ssaying its a good investment and tax writeoff.
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KCYCLUB1477 wrote: So no one has ever heard of a coop doing a home visit?
Umm, no. I have been on the board of our coop for 20 years now and we have never, ever gone to someone's home to see how they live or what their apartment looks like inside. They are doing this because it won't really be your apartment to do what you like with, it will still be the buildings apartment. -
The normal order of things:
you find the place, make and offer it gets accepted,
Your attorney and the sellers attorney put the contract together,
you get a copy of the coop's offering plan, proprietary lease, house rules and 2 years of financials to look over
You fill out and submit the application to purchase to the board, all your financial records, 2 years tax returns, current pay stubs, and bank account info, You agree to have a credit report done.
The board reviews the application and asks for any clarifications, usually in writing.
Once the board is satisfied with the application they give you an interview
What you are describing is totally bas ackwords. -
It sounds like maybe a Mitchell-Lama building going "private"...but it also sounds like you haven't been given the whole story.
What's the address of this place? -
I have never even seen the apartment yet either.
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BrooklynJack wrote: The normal order of things:
BrooklynJack knows what's going on.
you find the place, make and offer it gets accepted,
Your attorney and the sellers attorney put the contract together,
you get a copy of the coop's offering plan, proprietary lease, house rules and 2 years of financials to look over
You fill out and submit the application to purchase to the board, all your financial records, 2 years tax returns, current pay stubs, and bank account info, You agree to have a credit report done.
The board reviews the application and asks for any clarifications, usually in writing.
Once the board is satisfied with the application they give you an interview
What you are describing is totally bas ackwords. -
arches wrote: It sounds like maybe a Mitchell-Lama building going "private"...but it also sounds like you haven't been given the whole story.
What's the address of this place?
Sorry not going to give out the address but what you said above may be correct about the Mitchell-Lama thing. -
If you're unemployed, then the last thing in the world you need is a tax writeoff (unless you have substantial income from investments or a trust fund).
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booklaw wrote: If you're unemployed, then the last thing in the world you need is a tax writeoff (unless you have substantial income from investments or a trust fund).
From your link it appears that you are a lawyer. Does this sound on the level. I believe this is some kind of mitchell-lama building which is privitazing hence the 15000 buy in fee. -
I have no idea... I'm the wrong kind of lawyer. I bought a co-op in 1976, and sold it in '81. I've had no co-op dealings since.
You need to hire a lawyer... not to solicit advice from casual bystanders. -
It fails on the "doesn't make sense" level. Why would a co-op sell you an apartment for $15k that they anticipate would soon be able to be sold for $100k? That sounds like the worst co-op management ever. Why wouldn't they rent it out until they could sell it for the higher price?
Unless you're saying your aunt is getting you some kind of inside deal at the expense of the broader interest of the co-op? But if that were the case, why would you be concerned about the interview? -
Please listen to everyone and have a lawyer look over everything...something about this doesn't sound right...
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If it's really a mitchell-lama building (which I can't confirm, since you won't disclose the address), read this article...and then get an attorney who specializes in mitchell-lama law. This an obscure area of the law.
http://www.cooperator.com/articles/1171/1/The-Mitchell-Lama-Buyout-Process/Page1.html
"Apartment resale prices under the Mitchell-Lama program are limited to the shareholder's 'original equity' i.e., what they originally paid in, plus of portion of the amortized mortgage principal for the amount of time they lived there. Apartments cannot be resold on the open market but rather must be resold to the housing cooperative and go to the next person on the waiting list. "
Edit: removed question on who is selling...seems units are sold back to co-op in all cases. -
arches wrote: It sounds like maybe a Mitchell-Lama building going "private"...but it also sounds like you haven't been given the whole story.
Yes I agree and I've seen some of the Mitchell Lamas in the throws of going private. Maintenance can sky rocket due to change in tax status and new underlying mortgage
What's the address of this place? -
KCYCLUB1477 wrote: I have never even seen the apartment yet either.
Why mess with an apartment, I've got a whole bridge I'd sell yo for a good price -
arches wrote: If it's really a mitchell-lama building (which I can't confirm, since you won't disclose the address), read this article...and then get an attorney who specializes in mitchell-lama law. This an obscure area of the law.
Right! This is the sort of deal that my SIL had 35 years ago!
http://www.cooperator.com/articles/1171/1/The-Mitchell-Lama-Buyout-Process/Page1.html
"Apartment resale prices under the Mitchell-Lama program are limited to the shareholder's 'original equity' i.e., what they originally paid in, plus of portion of the amortized mortgage principal for the amount of time they lived there. Apartments cannot be resold on the open market but rather must be resold to the housing cooperative and go to the next person on the waiting list. "
Edit: removed question on who is selling...seems units are sold back to co-op in all cases. -
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