Annoying Double Parking Honkers!
Ok, does anyone else get irritated by those who move their cars to the other side of the street during street cleaning day only to block in the cars that need to get out, so in turn, those who are blocked in lay on their horns to get them to move?
I know parking is tough but c'mon? With all the whining about noise in the city and everyone in the Slope appearing to be of some intellect, cant anyone think of the obvious?!
Ok, here's the deal.
1) Get a piece of paper (fancy people get a laminated one)
2) Write your name and cell and/or telephone number on it
3) When double parking, place said paper on dashboard of your car (for some, the overly irritating SUbleepingV)
4) Wait for the phone call of the neighbor whose life isn't on hold for you and go to move your car.
Simple.
Sorry about the tone of the message, but sometimes its the only way to get a point accross. :idea: :idea: :idea: [/b]
I know parking is tough but c'mon? With all the whining about noise in the city and everyone in the Slope appearing to be of some intellect, cant anyone think of the obvious?!
Ok, here's the deal.
1) Get a piece of paper (fancy people get a laminated one)
2) Write your name and cell and/or telephone number on it
3) When double parking, place said paper on dashboard of your car (for some, the overly irritating SUbleepingV)
4) Wait for the phone call of the neighbor whose life isn't on hold for you and go to move your car.
Simple.
Sorry about the tone of the message, but sometimes its the only way to get a point accross. :idea: :idea: :idea: [/b]
Comments
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Subject: Re: Annoying Double Parking Honkers!
SlimB wrote: Ok, does anyone else get irritated by those who move their cars to the other side of the street during street cleaning day only to block in the cars that need to get out, so in turn, those who are blocked in lay on their horns to get them to move?
technically they are suppose to be in their cars when its double park like that.
I know parking is tough but c'mon? With all the whining about noise in the city and everyone in the Slope appearing to be of some intellect, cant anyone think of the obvious?!
Ok, here's the deal.
1) Get a piece of paper (fancy people get a laminated one)
2) Write your name and cell and/or telephone number on it
3) When double parking, place said paper on dashboard of your car (for some, the overly irritating SUbleepingV)
4) Wait for the phone call of the neighbor whose life isn't on hold for you and go to move your car.
Simple.
Sorry about the tone of the message, but sometimes its the only way to get a point accross. :idea: :idea: :idea: [/b]
your idea is very good
. everyone should do that, atleast put their apartment numbers, if you dont want people to make harassing calls in the future. hehe -
I must admit I've been guilty of this once or twice myself
but for now on I will leave a note
thanx for the great idea.
(see, you've made a difference) -
Hey, Thanks guys :!:
I would love to post this idea for more of the honkers to see.
Lets hope the word spreads.
-Brian -
Subject: Double Parking
I always leave my address (and which bell it is) and number on the windshield.
That said - why do people think they can come outside during alternate-side (aka ASS parking - think about it) and instantly move their car. They know they are going to be blocked in!
Also, what's with people who come to pick people up and lean on the horn until they come out????
a) lightly beep once, if you must
b) if they don't come out - call them. I know you have a cell phone!
c) get your lazy arse out of the fucking car and lean on their DOORBELL. At least the whole neighborhood won't have to listen to your horn!
<end of public service announcement from Flexi> -
Subject: paper-idea
I noticed a lot of people doing this double park on my street and about half use the paper idea. Not a bad idea, as long as they are willing to catch their phone when it rings! -
Subject: Re: Double Parking
Flexi wrote:
Preach On! Seriously, get out of the fucking car and knock on the door! Someone in my old neighborhood did this at 5 am all the time on the weekends! I wanted to key their car, but was to lazy to get out of bed that early! Glad I moved!
c) get your lazy arse out of the fucking car and lean on their DOORBELL. At least the whole neighborhood won't have to listen to your horn! -
Subject: Alternate Side Parking
"why do people think they can come outside during alternate-side (aka ASS parking - think about it) and instantly move their car. They know they are going to be blocked in!"
Maybe not instantly, but if you don't leave a phone number or address, how the hell am I (who needs to get out at 9 to go to work) going to politely ask you to move your car? If you're going to double park and block someone in, it's not only a good idea to leave your number, it's mandatory. It's simple consideration. -
Subject: Re: Alternate Side Parking
Seriously? wrote: "why do people think they can come outside during alternate-side (aka ASS parking - think about it) and instantly move their car. They know they are going to be blocked in!"
Agreed 100%.
Maybe not instantly, but if you don't leave a phone number or address, how the hell am I (who needs to get out at 9 to go to work) going to politely ask you to move your car? If you're going to double park and block someone in, it's not only a good idea to leave your number, it's mandatory. It's simple consideration. -
Subject: ASS parking
I also agree that you should be able to move your car (re-read my post), and I always leave my number. I'm talking about the asshole that decides 20 minutes into alternate side that they are late and comes out SCREAMING that the car needs to be moved NOW!. -
Subject: Re: ASS parking
Flexi wrote: I also agree that you should be able to move your car (re-read my post), and I always leave my number. I'm talking about the asshole that decides 20 minutes into alternate side that they are late and comes out SCREAMING that the car needs to be moved NOW!.
I think the screaming and honking are generally directed at people who don't leave their numbers. There's not many people who have cars but no cell phone. -
Subject: This is one of the reasons we sold our car
Aside from the fact that cars suck, are noisy, are dangerous, pollute, increase our dependence on fossil fuels, degrade quality of life, turn friendly people mad, and cause nothing but problems in general, we were getting sick and tired of moving our car twice a week, and dealing with the whole parking "situation" here in the Slope. I once spent 1.5 hours driving home from meeting a friend in PA and then spent 2.25 hours trying to find a spot!!
After thinking about it a bit, we realized we only use the car once in a rare while to go out of town and so we finally sold it and switched to Amtrak / ZipCar. Best decision of our lives. Life is so much less stressful now, and there's now one extra parking spot in Park Slope thanks to us. Plus, we don't have to pay insurance / gas / maintenance so it saves us a bundle, too.
I wish more people found this a practical alternative as well, especially in one of the world's best cities for public transportation and in a neighborhood with so many public transportation options.
Here's an open question for everyone. I'm curious - if you own a car in the Slope, what do you use it for? What's the biggest factor preventing you from getting rid of it? -
Subject: Re: This is one of the reasons we sold our car
markroth88 wrote: Here's an open question for everyone. I'm curious - if you own a car in the Slope, what do you use it for? What's the biggest factor preventing you from getting rid of it?
When I lived in the slope and even here in Kensington, I have a car because I have two children and public transportation with two children under 4 is very difficult. You have to fold your stroller and then hold the stroller and both kids' hands and the diaper bag--which is basically impossible. I also like to drive out to the country and hike and visit my family upstate.
So although I agree that a car is adding to global warming, I have a fuel efficient car and use public transportation unless I have my kids in tow or want to go to the country. -
It does seem like it would be difficult to have two children under 4 and not have a car. And it's good to hear you're environmentally conscious with a fuel-efficient car.
How about everyone else? What are the other top reasons for needing a car in this neighborhood?
I'm asking in part out of curiosity, but also in part because if we can find the top reasons perhaps we can come up with viable alternatives in our neighborhood and improve the whole parking situation! -
We got a car a few years ago when my husband got a job outside the city (with no reasonable way of commuting by public transportation). We managed just fine without one for five or six years in Park Slope, even with two young children (I took them all over the city, from the Bronx Zoo to Coney Island, on the subway, even during the double stroller days, and it wasn't easy, but it was better than being stuck at home with two toddlers).
I still do most of my errands within the neighborhood on foot or by bus -- I hate driving in Park Slope, and I really hate parking in Park Slope. -
Subject: Re: This is one of the reasons we sold our car
markroth88 wrote:
I've never owned a car in 10 years of NYC living, and frankly I don't understand how the hassle could be worth it for most of the people who do....
After thinking about it a bit, we realized we only use the car once in a rare while to go out of town and so we finally sold it and switched to Amtrak / ZipCar. Best decision of our lives. Life is so much less stressful now, and there's now one extra parking spot in Park Slope thanks to us. Plus, we don't have to pay insurance / gas / maintenance so it saves us a bundle, too.
We're mostly happy with our Zipcar membership too, though truth be told, we don't have many occasions to use it, since it's not that cheap for 2- or 3-day trips out of the city, and we rarely need a car in the city.
What we do more often is take commuter trains to Philly or to New Haven and get a regular rental car there -- you can usually get one for about $25 a day in the hinterlands. -
Subject: Just print this notice and put it on your dashboard
The Park Slope Civic Council has created this special notice that you can print off, fill in with your name, phone number and address, and put on the dashboard of your double parked car (note: it's a PDF):
http://www.parkslopeciviccouncil.org/images/double-parking-notice.pdf
I hope this helps and, for the record, I just want to say that while I understand you might be annoyed that someone is blocking you in, blasting your horn for minutes on end in the middle of the day is truly sociopathic. It's violent and even a little bit insane. Have some freakin consideration for your neighbors and your environment. Take the bus. Ride a bike. Walk. Call a car service. It's New York City for chrissake. The majority of us live just fine without a car. -
Subject: Re: Just print this notice and put it on your dashboard
communitybuilder wrote: The Park Slope Civic Council has created this special notice that you can print off, fill in with your name, phone number and address, and put on the dashboard of your double parked car (note: it's a PDF):
YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING! While I'd HATE to hear someone blaring their horn any time of day, especially morning, do NOT put the blame on them when someone is ILLEGALLY blocking their car in. Have some consideration for your neighbors? How about not blocking your neighbor's car in?
http://www.parkslopeciviccouncil.org/images/double-parking-notice.pdf
I hope this helps and, for the record, I just want to say that while I understand you might be annoyed that someone is blocking you in, blasting your horn for minutes on end in the middle of the day is truly sociopathic. It's violent and even a little bit insane. Have some freakin consideration for your neighbors and your environment. Take the bus. Ride a bike. Walk. Call a car service. It's New York City for chrissake. The majority of us live just fine without a car.
I do not own a car, but if someone blocked me in, they'd get their car keyed the fuck up if they did not leave a number and move when I needed them to.
Listen, if you can't find a legal parking spot, don't make someone who probably drove around for an hour or more to find one, suffer. This is total bull shit. When I owned a car, and was on the alternate side, I'd get up early, drive around for fuck knows how long, till I found a spot.
Now, I agree with markroth8 about the problems with cars in the first place, which is why I don't own one anymore, but seriously, communitybuilder, your post sounds like you're blaming the victim. If someone owns a car, I am sure they are not going to want to have to take a bus, walk and the rest of your list of alternatives, just because someone else wants to conveniently break the law.
Now that I have gotten that off my chest, I do commend you for posting a sheet to encourage people to post their info. I am surprised the City Council is encouraging the double parking in the first place though. -
There are NOT enough parking spots in the slope. YOu can take a moral stand and say cars are wrong, but the bottom line is many people have them. With all the development and the changing neighborhood, more people own them. And they own bigger cars that take up one-half to two spots. That being said, anyone who owns a car, knows they MAY get parked in on alternate side days. I have double parked people in (and left a note). It is part of the parking culture in NY.
I never drive to the slope anymore unless I have a sick kid to bring to the pediatrician. I figure it would cost me $15 in gas driving in circles finding a parking spot. -
kensingtonmom wrote: There are NOT enough parking spots in the slope. YOu can take a moral stand and say cars are wrong, but the bottom line is many people have them. With all the development and the changing neighborhood, more people own them. And they own bigger cars that take up one-half to two spots. That being said, anyone who owns a car, knows they MAY get parked in on alternate side days. I have double parked people in (and left a note). It is part of the parking culture in NY.
All of that is true, if you're gonna double-park someone in and NOT leave a note, don't wonder why they're getting pissed off. -
Rose wrote: We managed just fine without one for five or six years in Park Slope, even with two young children (I took them all over the city, from the Bronx Zoo to Coney Island, on the subway, even during the double stroller days, and it wasn't easy, but it was better than being stuck at home with two toddlers).
You are made of tougher stuff than I am. I can't imagine trying to get a double stroller down the subway stairs. I can't imagine trying to get two toddlers to both hang on to my hand and walk down the subway stairs on to the platform and then spend an hour or two at a destination WITHOUT a stroller as a fall back for when they get exhausted and then back down the subway stairs and home. But more power to you--I also wouldn't run in the park at night! I am just more cautious I guess (and lazier). -
Subject: Re: Just print this notice and put it on your dashboard
communitybuilder wrote:
Or you could blame the inconsiderate double parker who didn't leave a note rather than questioning the sanity of someone who wants to move their own car on their own timetable. For the record, on ASS days, i move my car from PS to PH, since the street cleaning times are different on different sides of Flatbush. I have *never* double parked on ASS days, and the worst thing that happens is that I have to walk a couple of blocks after parking legally, or I park at a meter until street cleaning is over. If i did double park, i sure wouldn't blame the poor slob who i selfishly inconvenienced if they were a little miffed by my actions.
I hope this helps and, for the record, I just want to say that while I understand you might be annoyed that someone is blocking you in, blasting your horn for minutes on end in the middle of the day is truly sociopathic. It's violent and even a little bit insane. Have some freakin consideration for your neighbors and your environment. Take the bus. Ride a bike. Walk. Call a car service. It's New York City for chrissake. The majority of us live just fine without a car. -
Subject: Re: Just print this notice and put it on your dashboard
communitybuilder wrote: The Park Slope Civic Council has created this special notice that you can print off, fill in with your name, phone number and address, and put on the dashboard of your double parked car (note: it's a PDF):
WTF? Who r u and where do you park your car so that I may bring my flatbed with the CAT 330 excavator and double park right beside it.
http://www.parkslopeciviccouncil.org/images/double-parking-notice.pdf
I hope this helps and, for the record, I just want to say that while I understand you might be annoyed that someone is blocking you in, blasting your horn for minutes on end in the middle of the day is truly sociopathic. It's violent and even a little bit insane. Have some freakin consideration for your neighbors and your environment. Take the bus. Ride a bike. Walk. Call a car service. It's New York City for chrissake. The majority of us live just fine without a car. -
Subject: double parking
KosherDave et al,
As I'm sure you know, on many blocks in the Slope and other neighborhoods it is common for the entire block to double park on street cleaning days.
In most places, this arrangement has been worked out with the police precinct and community boards and is, essentially, an organized, activity. So, to say that this kind of double parking is rude or even illegal is wrong. It's tradition. It's the way things are done. If you don't like it -- don't park on one of those blocks on one of those days. Or move your car before street cleaning hours. Or, hell, if you get stuck -- call a car service. Ride the bus or a bike or walk. Take the subway. Get rid of your piece of crap car. There's no shortage of good, sane options. Destroying the quality of life of your neighbors by blasting your horn like a selfish freakin 3-year-old having a tantrum isn't one of them.
But for someone to sit there, leaning on their horn, acting all aggrieved, and destroying the environment for dozens if not hundreds of people when double-parking on street cleaning days is how it's done around here -- that is basically insane. I'd say it's unbelievable except that every single day I see Brooklyn motorists committing insanely selfish, destructive, even violent sociopathic acts on our neighborhood streets with total disregard for the safety and quality of life of the people outside their cars. So, that you would be selfish enough to blast away on your horn in a situation like this is, sadly, completely believable.
It's like Brooklyn motorists can rationalize and justify anything. To your minds the needs of you and your car come before anything and everything else -- your neighbors, your city, your planet, whatever -- you need to drive. Who cares what you destroy. You sure don't.
So, yes -- blasting your horn for minutes on end on a quiet residential block is idiotic selfish violence, KosherDave. It really is. Just because one of your neighbors prevented you from using your ride for a few minutes doesn't justify boorish, selfish, entitled behavior in the public realm. -
Subject: and another thing...
<<<WTF? Who r u and where do you park your car so that I may bring my flatbed with the CAT 330 excavator and double park right beside it.>>>
Go right ahead, you moronic, entitled slob. My "automobile" of choice for getting around Brooklyn and Manhattan is a bike. So feel free to park your CAT 330 excavator wherever you freakin want. What's it cost to fill that thing up anyway? $350? You ever wonder how many people died in Iraq last week to keep it rollin'? I'm sure your grandkids will be thanking you for working so hard to protect your parking rights in the early 2000's. Meanwhile, thanks to your Bradley Armored Vehicle, they'll be living on a planet with an atmosphere that resembles Venus. -
Subject: Re: and another thing...
communitybuilder wrote: <<<WTF? Who r u and where do you park your car so that I may bring my flatbed with the CAT 330 excavator and double park right beside it.>>>
Do you even know what a CAT 330 excavator is? The key word is excavator and it rests on an 18 wheel flatbed. The moron is evident.
Go right ahead, you moronic, entitled slob. My "automobile" of choice for getting around Brooklyn and Manhattan is a bike. So feel free to park your CAT 330 excavator wherever you freakin want. What's it cost to fill that thing up anyway? $350? You ever wonder how many people died in Iraq last week to keep it rollin'? I'm sure your grandkids will be thanking you for working so hard to protect your parking rights in the early 2000's. Meanwhile, thanks to your Bradley Armored Vehicle, they'll be living on a planet with an atmosphere that resembles Venus.
As for your liberal sandal wearing comment regarding oil, I'm fine with paying, not $350, but over $5000 a week to operate it and the developers who live in PS pay for it while I sit and collect their $$$$$$$$$.
As for my grandkids, they'll inherit this $$$$$$$$ and do as they please. Maybe I'll put a clause in their trust fund that they'll have to crush a liberals bike, that's typically chained outside of a shieky cafe, before they get any of it. -
Kensingtonmom wrote: [quote=Rose]We managed just fine without one for five or six years in Park Slope, even with two young children (I took them all over the city, from the Bronx Zoo to Coney Island, on the subway, even during the double stroller days, and it wasn't easy, but it was better than being stuck at home with two toddlers).
You are made of tougher stuff than I am. I can't imagine trying to get a double stroller down the subway stairs. I can't imagine trying to get two toddlers to both hang on to my hand and walk down the subway stairs on to the platform and then spend an hour or two at a destination WITHOUT a stroller as a fall back for when they get exhausted and then back down the subway stairs and home. But more power to you--I also wouldn't run in the park at night! I am just more cautious I guess (and lazier).
I never folded it. I know you're supposed to, but it never made any sense to me -- that would have been totally unmanageable. Before everyone flames me -- I didn't bring the double stroller on the subway during rush hour. Okay, you will probably flame me anyway, but it is true -- I don't know how one person could manage two children and a folded stroller. If you leave the stroller open, the kid can sit in the stroller rather than a subway seat. Anyway, I had no choice but to take them on the subway if I wanted to go anywhere, because my daughter puked every single time she rode in a car. Ah, those were the days.
I don't understand how this thread turned into a discussion of excavators. -
Subject: Re: double parking
communitybuilder wrote: KosherDave et al,
did you even READ what I wrote, I don't have a car. It blows my mind how you can twist reality to make this behavior ok. Did you read what nearly EVERYONE else wrote? But I find it really funny you get so worked up about something like parking that you resort to calling names. And honking a horn? Oh so violent. You must live a comfy life if that's violence to you. sheesh, you need a hobby.
Get rid of your piece of crap car... So, yes -- blasting your horn for minutes on end on a quiet residential block is idiotic selfish violence, KosherDave. -
Subject: Re: double parking
communitybuilder wrote: Just because one of your neighbors prevented you from using your ride for a few minutes doesn't justify boorish, selfish, entitled behavior in the public realm.
You should get off your high horse and reread Dave's post.
Double parking someone in for 2 hours without leaving a note on your dash is what's boorish entitled behavior. It doesn't matter if it's "tradition." It's still incredibly inconsiderate and technically in violation of the law.communitybuilder wrote: It's like Brooklyn motorists can rationalize and justify anything. To your minds the needs of you and your car come before anything and everything else -- your neighbors, your city, your planet, whatever -- you need to drive. Who cares what you destroy. You sure don't.
I think this statement applies quite well to those who double-park other cars in without leaving a note. It's unfortunate that honking disturbs others on the block, but the double-parkers don't leave any other recourse. Blame the person who didn't leave a note on their dash, not the person who's stuck. Would you be complaining about the screaming of the "inconsiderate" mugging victim for disturbing the bucolic peace of your block? -
Subject: Re: double parking
And honking a horn? Oh so violent. You must live a comfy life if that's violence to you. sheesh, you need a hobby.
zOMG it is teh PSYCHOLOGICAL violence!!!!!! FLEE!
Eh, overblown posts aside, I see it both ways. If you're going to park someone in, leave contact info. If you get parked in and the schmuck didn't leave info, don't be a schmuck yourself and annoy everyone in the area. Chances are good the guy who parked you in doesn't live on that block and can't even hear your horn. -
Subject: violence
First off, the correct thing to do if someone is blocking your car for hours on end is to call the cops. They'll come and put a ticket on the car, usually, within minutes. Then you have the right to call a private tow company to get rid of the guy. If all goes well you can have the guy's car removed within 20 minutes along with the deep satisfaction of knowing that the shmuck will return to find his car missing and then have to go down to the Navy Yard and pay $300 along with a $95 ticket to get it back. It simply isn't correct (or even legal) to sit there for minutes blasting your horn on a neighborhood street. You have a lot of other better, saner options. These also include ringing some doorbells, talking to people who live on the block, hiring a car service, riding your bike to where you need to go, getting on a subway. Is it a lousy deal for you? Yep. Just because you've been personally aggrieved and inconvenienced do you have the right to destroy other people's quality of life? No.
Second, if you don't think that aggravated horn-blasting in the middle of a densley populated urban area is a form of violence then do this fun excersise then next time you're walking around the city. Put words to the honk. When you hear a motorist blast his horn, try to get a look at his face or at least his car and try to get an idea of what he's honking about. Then translate the monosyllabic honk into English language. Quickly you will find that only a miniscule percentage of the honks you hear on the street in Brooklyn translate as something like, "Watch out, pal! I just wanted to alert you to the fact that you almost caused a dangerous accident." Rather, virtually every horn blast you hear on a Brooklyn street translates as something like, "The light turned green one-tenth of a second ago, a$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$hole!" "Watch the f*&k out everyone, I'm ripping through a yellow light at 55 mph on a residential street. If I hit you, it's your fault." Or simply, "Get the f$*k out of my waaaaaaaaaay you f#@k."
The vast majority of honking that happens on Brooklyn streets is the very definition of sociopathy. It represents a deep disregard for the public realm, a lack of empathy with your fellow human being, and, essentially, a total disregard for anything that might exist outside the comfort of your own car. We may have come to take this behavior as normal but that doesn't mean that it's not a form of violence.
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