Dogs tied-up outside stores
As a dog owner, I'm shocked to see how many dog owners still tie up their dogs outside of stores. On any given week, you can find a 'Lost Dog' sign posted in the neighborhood, or in an adjoining neighborhood. Maybe some dogs get 'lost', but most get stolen. It's a dilemma, in that as a passerby, it's none of my business, so I keep my mouth shut. But it's still troubling.
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Who steals a dog, and why? For the reward?
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This weekend an out of town friend commented on the number of dogs outside Union Market on 7th ave. Every time we walked by there were at LEAST three doggies out there, desperate for their people to come outside. There have been a lot of discussion on this board about this and I feel like for me, if I had a dog, I would separate dog walks from errand walks, but the fact is that a lot of people don't and they run the risk.
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Christina wrote: Who steals a dog, and why? For the reward?
Yep, for themselves, resale or reward. Often, some kids will steal the dog, wait for the 'reward/no questions asked' sign to go up, and then claim the reward. But in most cases, the owner never sees the dog again. If you tie up a $2000 purebreed outside a store unattended, you're asking for trouble. -
Um...have you SEEN Oscar? He's a bundle of teh cuteness!
People steal dogs to have, to use as bait for training their fighting dogs, for other nefarious reasons. People are assholes. -
Anastasia Beaverhausen wrote: Um...have you SEEN Oscar? He's a bundle of teh cuteness!
agree. I never do it just at the chance of theft. Cost/benefit simply not worth it.
People steal dogs to have, to use as bait for training their fighting dogs, for other nefarious reasons. People are assholes. -
plus I'd be worried about scarlett.
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I guess I'm naive... or rational. I would not steal a dog from a store when the owner is inside. Or walk around with the dog in the same neighborhood.
I guess volunteering at the Animal Shelter gives me a different perspective. Abandoned dogs of all breeds leave quite an impression - and opinion about people in general. -
Mpmav1 wrote: plus I'd be worried about scarlett.
Ha! I was totally already typing that I want to steal your pooooopie!!!!!!!! -
Christina wrote: Who steals a dog, and why? For the reward?
It has always been said that some people steal dogs to sell them to labs. Also, i would think that if there is a purebred dog tied up outside that people would steal the dog to re-sell them for profit.
On the other hand, some people just think it is funny or nice to let a dog that is tied up outside a store off it's leash and to run free.
Personally, I don't do it. i either bring her in with me if possible or my kid stays outside with her. -
I have owned pure bred dogs and Heinz 57 dogs and I have never tied my dog outside when I go in to a store. Yes, it is inconvenient to separate errands from exercising the dog but that "inconvenience" is no excuse IMO.
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Christina wrote: Who steals a dog, and why? For the reward?
dogfight bait. no joke. -
The dog can also get loose and get hurt. I know a of a few folks that have lost dogs this way...dog was tied to something unstable, or the leash came loose, whatever and the dog went to chase something (mine would go anywhere for a squirrel or to avoid a kid) and got hit, fatally, by a car.
Plus it's stressful for many dogs.
I was clueless as to why this was really a bad idea until I read some of the threads here and heard some of the horror stories from other dog owners in the park. I think people are used to seeing it and assume that it is completely safe since it's so common around here. -
on this topic - i saw a miserable-looking, elderly arthritic yellow lab tied up IN THE RAIN outside a local coffee shop while it's owners warmed their bones with a hot cup of java. i also recently saw someone tie their older german short-haired pointer to a meter on a very cold night and proceed to sit down and eat a full meal at a restaurant!
is it me, or are these dog parents as bad as crack momma's? -
scarlett wrote: This weekend an out of town friend commented on the number of dogs outside Union Market on 7th ave. Every time we walked by there were at LEAST three doggies out there, desperate for their people to come outside.
My friend lives above Union Mkt - just try sleeping in on a Saturday with dogs barking/yelping/howling for their owners to come back...
I know there are many reasons to not tie your friend up outside a store, but let me add one more - out of consideration for your neighbors, please please do not tie your dog up in front of stores! Stores are just the ground floor, there are apartments with real living people up there. Just because your lifestyle has you up and at the store at 8am on a Saturday doesn't mean that the entire neighborhood needs a wake up call from your pup then! -
legoflambchop wrote: [quote=Christina]Who steals a dog, and why? For the reward?
dogfight bait. no joke.
This.
Given the proximity of PS to neighborhoods where dog fighting occurs(and it is far more rampant than most people would believe); a farily large number of dogs that are lost (mostly smaller ones) are used as dog fighting abit and for training. Cats too. Although most dogfighters usually just bread their own cats or go to shelters since cats are so plentiful.
BTW...This usually entails the animal having its mouth taped shut with duct tape, being tied to a post and allowing the dogs being trained to maul them to death. It's a shame more people don't realize this goes on. -
Subject: Re: Dogs tied-up outside stores
Ocelot wrote: It's a dilemma, in that as a passerby, it's none of my business, so I keep my mouth shut.
I make it my business. When I can, I wait for the owner to come out (or go in the store and ask whose dog it is), and then tell him/her what could have happened to their dog, and ask them to please never do it again.
Maybe making up some pamphlets about the subject would be a good idea. (Especially since I suspect the dog owners I have a word with probably just think I'm a nutter.) -
scottb2k wrote: [quote=legoflambchop][quote=Christina]Who steals a dog, and why? For the reward?
dogfight bait. no joke. BTW...This usually entails the animal having its mouth taped shut with duct tape, being tied to a post and allowing the dogs being trained to maul them to death. It's a shame more people don't realize this goes on.
Just READING this story, even if you believe it to be entirely untrue, should make you not want to take the chance. I can only imagine reading this if your dog was taken from being tied up. Even if it was 1/10,000... just not worth it.
BTW: I do, in fact, believe it to be true. I have had the unfortunate experience of working on a case where dog fighting was at issue and learned far too much about this horrible crime. -
Subject: Re: Dogs tied-up outside stores
laura wrote: [quote=Ocelot]It's a dilemma, in that as a passerby, it's none of my business, so I keep my mouth shut.
I make it my business. When I can, I wait for the owner to come out (or go in the store and ask whose dog it is), and then tell him/her what could have happened to their dog, and ask them to please never do it again.
Maybe making up some pamphlets about the subject would be a good idea. (Especially since I suspect the dog owners I have a word with probably just think I'm a nutter.)
You should make little red tags that you hang on the dog waiting outside that say something like, "YOUR DOG WAS STOLEN: please leave me at home next time."
Might be more effective than putting someone on the defense. Plus, kinda proves your point if you are able to put a paper tag or something on the dog without the owner noticing. -
Subject: Re: Dogs tied-up outside stores
Mpmav1 wrote: You should make little red tags that you hang on the dog waiting outside that say something like, "YOUR DOG WAS STOLEN: please leave me at home next time."
Very true, that is a better idea. Maybe the stickers could have a link to a website that has info. I wonder if the ASPCA would be into making up such stickers.
Might be more effective than putting someone on the defense. Plus, kinda proves your point if you are able to put a paper tag or something on the dog without the owner noticing. -
I don't think the ASPCA would advocate walking up to strange dogs and trying to tie/stick a notice on them. While it's a good idea, it's just not practical.
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Good point.
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Dog fight bait? I didn't know that one. It's truly astonishing how much human garbage lives in this fair city.
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Well, you've certainly convinced me. It's not something I ever made a habit of, but next time I'm tempted to let Max wait while I pick up something at the corner store I'll remember that keeping my dog from the jaws of some abused pitbull is worth the extra trip up and down the stairs.
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Mpmav1 wrote: [quote=scottb2k][quote=legoflambchop][quote=Christina]Who steals a dog, and why? For the reward?
dogfight bait. no joke. BTW...This usually entails the animal having its mouth taped shut with duct tape, being tied to a post and allowing the dogs being trained to maul them to death. It's a shame more people don't realize this goes on.
BTW: I do, in fact, believe it to be true. I have had the unfortunate experience of working on a case where dog fighting was at issue and learned far too much about this horrible crime.
It one of those thing's that is so unbelievably cruel and terrible that most people don't want to think about it and it's easier to just pretend it doesn't exist...unfortunatley once you do a little digging or are exposed to the realities of it(as you and I can attest to) it's something you never forget. -
Ocelot wrote: Dog fight bait? I didn't know that one. It's truly astonishing how much human garbage lives in this fair city.
It's everywhere in the country believe me, dogfighting is as popular as ever. For whatever reason, it's seems to me like people in this area tend to believe it's a southern thing and one of those things that doesn't happen in New York. -
that always pisses me off... not only b/c of the welfare of the tied up dogs, but also these owners don't realize that some dogs in the neighborhood aren't too friendly to other pooches (mine, for example)
on several occasions my dog nearly bit an unattended dog that had free reign of the sidewalk and decided to run up to us and say hi -
Have any of you EVER left Park Slope? Have you EVER thought of anyone else beside your high and mighty self? Here's a true story.
I was working in a store, and someone brought their "nice" dog in. My coworker, who is NOT from the Slope, is scared to death of dogs. (Insert racial thread here, cuz it is you yuppie fuks)
Did the dog sense her fear? Or was it having a "bad day?"
He lunged at her, she dropped the ___, it broke, dog was barking like crazy, going at her, and she was IN TEARS. Customer stood there doing absolutely nothing.
JESUS CHRIST. YOU ENTITLED FUKERS NEVER CEASE TO AMAZE ME. -
Ah, I was waiting for the inevitable village idiot off his meds. Thanks for the input! lmfao.
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I leave Park Slope occasionally to see how regular folks live. I always regret it.
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scarlett wrote: This weekend an out of town friend commented on the number of dogs outside Union Market on 7th ave. Every time we walked by there were at LEAST three doggies out there, desperate for their people to come outside. There have been a lot of discussion on this board about this and I feel like for me, if I had a dog, I would separate dog walks from errand walks, but the fact is that a lot of people don't and they run the risk.
Bingo.
Some dogs get napped for bait in dog fight training centers.
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