Cat on Ice at Citynoise
Citynoise.org, the incredible urban-photo-bloggy-thingy founded by PH's very own Rhodamine, is about to be Internet-famous again. Batten down the bandwidth!
"First: a warning. These images graphically depict a cruel and bloody act and should not be viewed if you are squeamish or sensitive to such images or a big cat lover..."
"Our story begins on a pretty Thursday in Union Square Park (where bizarre happenings of one sort or another can always be counted on). A crowd forms around what appears to be an art object--perhaps an art object of ice--on the ground. I go to check it out. "
http://www.citynoise.org/article/3629
"First: a warning. These images graphically depict a cruel and bloody act and should not be viewed if you are squeamish or sensitive to such images or a big cat lover..."
"Our story begins on a pretty Thursday in Union Square Park (where bizarre happenings of one sort or another can always be counted on). A crowd forms around what appears to be an art object--perhaps an art object of ice--on the ground. I go to check it out. "
http://www.citynoise.org/article/3629
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Subject: Re: "Cat on Ice" at Citynoise
dailyheights wrote: Batten down the bandwidth!
indeed! thoguh i think ive gotten that issue sorted now... (a little .htaccess mojo has all the hotlink-leeches over at 12ozprophet/bombingscience in check, ergo freeing up mucho GB of the bandwidth they were pilfering. lol... dh/brooklynian, of course, will always be whitelisted though 8) )
thanks for the props
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You know what they say about people who abuse animals...
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Captain M wrote: You know what they say about people who abuse animals...
for the record, i did not take the photos, post that post, nor was i in any way involved, aside from running the open-to-all public blog someone posted that entry to...
that being said... im not judging, just playing unbiased critic here... but i think its fascinating that people automatically assume that abuse was involved. whether its the work of some sicko or an attempt at shock-art, i still think its gross... but i think its really knee-jerk to jump straight to the abuse/cruelty argument... just like i think its odd that people jumped on the "vegetarian/cruelty" bandwagon straightaway in the related comments on the original citynoise thread itself.
ive seen plenty of roadkill cats in PH, and ive dissected more than a few in comparative anatomy classes in college. is that cruelty? whos to say the cat didnt come from one of these sources? if it did, in fact, would you be less averse to it?
its interesting how the extended circumstances that surround something like this really steer our perceptions of it, isnt it?
i, personally, think its downright fascinating how people's opinions/assumptions unfold in public forums, when stimulated by something shocking or non-status-quo.
that being said... how do you feel about damien hirst? is that cruelty? if not, how is it any different than the ice-cat? if so, then why has he recieved NEA grants to make his art?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damien_Hirst -
A frozen, eviserated dead animal dumped unceremoniously and anonymously in a public park. Hardly a "piece" of art. Jesus. Maybe you're overthinking it a bit. :x
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sje wrote: A frozen, eviserated dead animal dumped unceremoniously and anonymously in a public park. Hardly a "piece" of art. Jesus. Maybe you're overthinking it a bit. :x
geez, here comes the flood...
who referred to any of this as either "art" or a "piece"? if youre thinking me, perhaps you missed the part where i said i thought it was gross (and verily, as both a cat owner and lover, i do think it is). and as far as "overthinking it" goes, i was just discussing my feelings about it and people's reactions. thats ok with you, right? being that it involves my site, im always amused to foster discussion of content there, regardless of the topic. thats sort of the point of having a blog, no?
not that my opinions or feelings about this has anything to do with the post, at least any more than anyone elses'. as if it matters, anyway. everyone is gonna think what theyre gonna think, so why bother giving a fuck?
i guess some people just have a harder time dealing with controversial/out-of-the-ordinary things than others do.
in that regard, sje: ive just finished reading a book that mentioned some tidbits about some interesting art coming out of the downtown scene back in the day. are you familiar with the work of richard kern, or perhaps lydia lunch or nick zedd (and others of that ilk)? how do you feel about that stuff, if so? (this is an honest question- im just curious, as youre the only person i know that may have potentially ever seen any of their performance/film work in person, at the height of its [arguable] relevance)...
hi, in case y'all didnt notice, i like discussing art/non-art 8) -
Subject: hmmm
Did anyone find out if it was, in fact, a cat or any actual animal for that matter? It's pretty gross, especially if it is an animal... and sad, if it was a case of abuse and not roadkill. -
Subject: Re: hmmm
kosherdave wrote: Did anyone find out if it was, in fact, a cat or any actual animal for that matter? It's pretty gross, especially if it is an animal... and sad, if it was a case of abuse and not roadkill.
unfortunately, the original poster didnt stick around to see... i also called the 13th precinct (and also the NYSPCA), and they have no recent reports of this (or anything remotely similar)... its def a head-scratcher. the whole point of this story propagating is to try to find out what happened there, and what this event was all about (if anything).
from what i can glean from the scraps of info ive dug up from various witnesses was that a homeless person dumped it out from a box (one said a wheelbarrow, though that seems cumbersome for the city) and left the scene. imho, that would probably simply involve a dead animal (theres some conjecture that it could be a rabbit, and that the evisceration/rupture could be likely due to the freezing). but i dunno. where does a homeless person get access to cryogenics?
its a mystery, a very creepy mystery if you ask me. -
As sad/sickening as it is, we hardly know anything from these pics.
Is it a real animal? Who knows.
Was the animal already dead before it was frozen? Who knows.
Did this person take the block of ice from a glacier and is this frozen creature from pre-historic times? Who knows. -
BrookFetish wrote: Who knows.
yeah, i guess the point is kinda that were trying to find out. viva le curiosity!
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thats art of today for ya, to shock and get a reaction out of people. but is it real art
. i guess like everything else in life. it depends on the test of time. lets say 100 years from now. folks would probably go wtf . most art from today wouldnt probably survie. -
rhodamine wrote: for the record, i did not take the photos, post that post, nor was i in any way involved, aside from running the open-to-all public blog someone posted that entry to...
I too at first thought it was abuse and as you say it is a knee-jerk reaction. I still stand by abuse, even if the person considers this to be "art" and if it was considered "art". The blood in the ice is what does it for me.
that being said... im not judging, just playing unbiased critic here... but i think its fascinating that people automatically assume that abuse was involved. whether its the work of some sicko or an attempt at shock-art, i still think its gross... but i think its really knee-jerk to jump straight to the abuse/cruelty argument... just like i think its odd that people jumped on the "vegetarian/cruelty" bandwagon straightaway in the related comments on the original citynoise thread itself.rhodamine wrote: ive seen plenty of roadkill cats in PH, and ive dissected more than a few in comparative anatomy classes in college. is that cruelty? whos to say the cat didnt come from one of these sources? if it did, in fact, would you be less averse to it?
No I would not be less adverse to it. It is still a gruesome sight not matter what. If it turns out to be "art" and/or some type of "statement" I still find it to be a form of abuse - cruelty to humans in fact - because it was dumped in a heavily trafficed park, frequented by lots of "children" (who wouldn't get whatever concept was trying to be put across) , there is a lot of animal lovers in this area (because of the dog run in this park) as well as shoppers at the Green Market. If this was considered "art" it should be in the proper forum. When cats are dissected it is to advance science and/or education, and I can make the choice to dissect the animal, not purchase products that are tested on animals etc. Roadkill is just an unfortunate accident (in some cases).rhodamine wrote: its interesting how the extended circumstances that surround something like this really steer our perceptions of it, isnt it?
I only know of him. I chose not to see his art because I find it to be more of a shock value than anything else and that just isn't my scene. And I would definitely not support him with my personal money. I don’t disagree with him receiving grants everyone has the right to view what they wish and artists have a right to have their work out there but in the proper forum. What I don't like is artists telling me they were deserves to be wherever they feel and I have to deal with it.
i, personally, think its downright fascinating how people's opinions/assumptions unfold in public forums, when stimulated by something shocking or non-status-quo.
that being said... how do you feel about damien hirst? is that cruelty? if not, how is it any different than the ice-cat? if so, then why has he recieved NEA grants to make his art?
And that is my opinion -
stacey wrote: What I don't like is artists telling me they were deserves to be wherever they feel and I have to deal with it.
i couldnt agree more! 8)
i think dumping it in the park was in bad taste, most definitely. -
I'm glad someone is taking the prehistoric-frozen-creature-from-glacier angle.
For a while there I forgot what site I was on.BrookFetish wrote: As sad/sickening as it is, we hardly know anything from these pics.
Is it a real animal? Who knows.
Was the animal already dead before it was frozen? Who knows.
Did this person take the block of ice from a glacier and is this frozen creature from pre-historic times? Who knows. -
huh. looks like this story and photos are gonna run in the ny post tomorrow... lol.
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Yeah, Rhodamine, not only familiar with those people, but I know some of them and lived through that time also in the East Village. I was referring to your post where you call this abomination a "piece". I think that's pure wishful thinking on your part. {I can't find this now, did I imagine it? Sorry if I did}
Anyway...Did Damien Hirst anon. dump any dead or bleeding animals in a public park? Anyone else? Nick Zedds movies are funny. AND FAKE. IMHO this has absolutely nothing to do with 1980's East Village punk art, give me a break.
If this had anything to do with art and not psychotic behavior, it would be in a different context. Context is everything. And I would still be repulsed. -
Bleaaah. I'm just hoping this is some sort of fucked-up, ill-conceived prank and that it's not a real animal in the ice at all.
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sje wrote: Yeah, Rhodamine, not only familiar with those people, but I know some of them and lived through that time also in the East Village.
yeah, thats why i asked. i guess its off-topic, but ive been reading up on that, so i thought you might have some interesting insights, thats all 8)
yeah, the cat thing is gross. i dont think its art. i just like asking people to elaborate on their views beyond "ooh this is gross!" and various other knee-jerk reactions, thats all. -
Gotcha.
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what ever the intent of the person. they probably wanted people to be shock. he/she got what they wanted out of the public!
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My sentiment as well. How do people know whether it's real or not? Did the ice melt yet?
apollonia666 wrote: Bleaaah. I'm just hoping this is some sort of fucked-up, ill-conceived prank and that it's not a real animal in the ice at all.
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Muk wrote: Did the ice melt yet?
in the thread, it explains that someone came along and took the thing away. -
rhodamine wrote: [quote=Captain M]You know what they say about people who abuse animals...
for the record, i did not take the photos, post that post, nor was i in any way involved, aside from running the open-to-all public blog someone posted that entry to...
that being said... im not judging, just playing unbiased critic here... but i think its fascinating that people automatically assume that abuse was involved. whether its the work of some sicko or an attempt at shock-art, i still think its gross... but i think its really knee-jerk to jump straight to the abuse/cruelty argument... just like i think its odd that people jumped on the "vegetarian/cruelty" bandwagon straightaway in the related comments on the original citynoise thread itself.
ive seen plenty of roadkill cats in PH, and ive dissected more than a few in comparative anatomy classes in college. is that cruelty? whos to say the cat didnt come from one of these sources? if it did, in fact, would you be less averse to it?
its interesting how the extended circumstances that surround something like this really steer our perceptions of it, isnt it?
i, personally, think its downright fascinating how people's opinions/assumptions unfold in public forums, when stimulated by something shocking or non-status-quo.
that being said... how do you feel about damien hirst? is that cruelty? if not, how is it any different than the ice-cat? if so, then why has he recieved NEA grants to make his art?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damien_Hirst
Even if the animal was already dead there is something abusive and perverted about freezing the carcas and dumping it in a park.
Damien took a natural specimen and preserved for CLEAR display in a scientific manner. Dissection is a scientfic method and the carcass is properly disposed of. To compare the two is stupid beyond words. -
hehe these reminded me of the cat thing.
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I would like to add, in my opinion
Theres something messed up about your need to see..."how people's opinions/assumptions unfold in public forums, when stimulated by something shocking or non-status-quo"
First of all, do you really think anyones opinion or reaction for something like this isnt ashaming if that reaction is not disgusted. What kind of people would have such a disrespect for life, even if it was already dead or just a depiction. Thats fucked up.
Second, by reporting this you cast the same light as the guy who froze a dead cat to "get peoples reactions" becasue now you are posting in all your forums to "get peoples reactions"...The only place and manner this should get any reporting is in the crime blotter becasue thats what it is. Condone it as "could it be art?" and now some sorry-trite-ass-wanna-be-jackass-out-of-ideas-artist thinks this is art and will try to parlay it.
Third, did you not think this would piss off someone who thinks fucking with defenseless animals ( or making a game out of the body of a recently deceased animal) is a stupid shitty thing to do. Why would you want to incite someone? Think that maybe while our reactions (what you were looking for...and maybe you found a juicy one here, add a notch to your iBook) give us character, what you post also defines yours. Or maybe you could report something positive.
I do see that later you said"whole point of this story propagating is to try to find out what happened there, and what this event was all about (if anything"
, so I guess renders much of my "accusation" off a bit or is that a stance you take for the moment so you can put the story forward to "gauge peoples reactions". It really seems like a minor added point after the fact. And I dont see why you would ask me about some other artist if the former is the case, I cant say I know much about him. So which is it?
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If the cat was already dead it's blood wouldn't have soaked into the ice that way. That's not in any way related to art, it's pathological and it's sadistic. It's sad for the cat and sad for human beings that we are so cruel. It's not a prehistoric creature obviously, it's a defenseless animal that was probably tortured. People who abuse animals make me sick to my stomach. Me and my cat would like to freeze whoever did that in a block of ice, but they already are as close to dead as you can get and still have a pulse.
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Anyway, are the authorities looking into this? I don't want animal torturers as neighbors. Anyone who would do this is a threat to anyone who crosses their path.
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I think the Post ran a story on this and it turned out to be a rabbit not a cat (but still just a cruel to me).
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yeah i also read some where its a rabbit. alteast elmer fudd got his frozen diner
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"yeah i also read some where its a rabbit. alteast elmer fudd got his frozen diner ."
clever. -
armchair_warrior wrote: yeah i also read some where its a rabbit. alteast elmer fudd got his frozen diner
You are an ass..
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