Some ProHoÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚Â¢ Graffiti

rhodamine · July 2005

Anonymous wrote: WTF are you writing?
You're showing us images of properties and cars with graffiti and now you're telling me that it doesn't exist and that there is a code?
Please elaborate on these codes because the anti-graffiti task force is unaware of this and I'm curious to know if you received a response from the property owners. Did they fund these vandals or did they receive a letter of permission?
And if you find my posts unsatisfactory, then don't respond or read them. I am often the blame for your low will power

do you see private houses? do you see graf on an uncrashed car? no? then theres your answers!

unsatisfactory? no, im just tired of you insulting people. you seem really offended by my posts, too (to the point of trailing me around on here hassling me about them... the car, the graf, etc...) so perhaps take some of your own advice?

anonymous · July 2005

I said property, not private homes (But property is a general term). If you noticed, the LEGG tag you photographed is on a properties stoop (A building stoop; Someones property).
I'm still waiting for an answer regarding the property owners response. Did you take the time and ask them how it feels to have the walls of their bldgs written on.
The action of writing on a wall (Regardless if you find it acceptable if the buildings are abandoned or not, or if it's a commercial space, etc) are similar to a child writing with a crayon on a wall. The only difference is the child doesn't know any better, but these adults do.
This is moral issue and somehow I think you're too young to understand it

anonymous · July 2005

Did the van you photograph have plates? Because I can't see a Dept of Sanitation sticker on it indicating they'll pick it up.
Do you know the value of the city's law, you anarchist

anonymous · July 2005

And when do these artists perform their art?
Oh that's right, sometime after everyone is asleep.
I guess they do that for the shock value

rhodamine · July 2005

Anonymous wrote: I said property, not private homes (But property is a general term). If you noticed, the LEGG tag you photographed is on a properties stoop (A building stoop; Someones property).
I'm still waiting for an answer regarding the property owners response. Did you take the time and ask them how it feels to have the walls of their bldgs written on.
The action of writing on a wall (Regardless if you find it acceptable if the buildings are abandoned or not, or if it's a commercial space, etc) are similar to a child writing with a crayon on a wall. The only difference is the child doesn't know any better, but these adults do.
This is moral issue and somehow I think you're too young to understand it

so can you do more than freak out cause my point of view doesnt agree with yours, or are you a one-trick troll?

rhodamine · July 2005

Anonymous wrote: Did the van you photograph have plates? Because I can't see a Dept of Sanitation sticker on it indicating they'll pick it up.
Do you know the value of the city's law, you anarchist

wait a minute... im an anarchist because... i photograph graffiti? hmm, and here i was thinking that just made me a photographer!

i think youre projecting onto me whatever angst it is you feel regarding whomever painted these things. i just took the photos, dude.

anonymous · July 2005

You accuse me of insulting you, but you are the biggest hypocrite on this board.
Troll is a played out term on this board; Try something new.
I know you're pretty clever with your name calling.
And by the way Scientist, your photos lack the artistict expression

daveb · July 2005

I'd put myself between guest and rhodamine.

I used to bike out to train yards to look at graffiti as a kid and I still admire it today. But, at times it beautifies and other times it's just an eyesore. Tagging all over signs and private property sucks shit. It sucks for the owners and frankly, I don;t want to look at it. It's like that phrase about not shitting where you eat.

I find that the artists I notice and enjoy, more or less seem to understand where graffiti belongs - where it's needed to make this city beautiful and to bring art to soulless places. These artists are necessary IMHO. It's just a matter of respect for property and actually having an eye for art and a concern for the community. Tagging a doorway or a car affects real people and their money. Sometimes it's morally justified, like if Microsoft headquartered in Brooklyn, I'd be all over that shit, but living in the city, i think we all know that 98% of graffiti is just visual noise that degrades our environment. What excites me is when graffiti artists and store owners partner to do delivery vans and storefronts. Now THAT is some serious promotion.

anonymous · July 2005

Why did you intially post these images? I'm curious.
Was it evoke a response (Now there's a novel idea. Lets go on board and post to receive a response).
I have a problem with the graffiti especially when it's advertised.
Try photographing an individual cleaning it or someone picking up trash off the street.
I'm done trying to defend this. I'm sure you'll be happy to know that you've won
THE END

rhodamine · July 2005

Anonymous wrote: Why did you intially post these images? I'm curious.
Was it evoke a response (Now there's a novel idea. Lets go on board and post to receive a response).
I have a problem with the graffiti especially when it's advertised.
Try photographing an individual cleaning it or someone picking up trash off the street.
I'm done trying to defend this. I'm sure you'll be happy to know that you've won
THE END

i just post photos of stuff from around our neighborhood, dude. thats all. no reason. no defending/battle/win. just posting photos, not trying to justify anything, thanks.

stacey · July 2005

I feel the same way Dave. Maybe because I am old school graffiti. But I would like to share why graffiti meant and still does mean so much to me. I grew up around Gowanus as a minority there. Graffiti's heyday was the mid-70's to mid-late 80's just as rap was emerging as well as break dancing. Graffiti was my generation's outlet. Race relations were still a hot subject, the city was falling apart, homes and buildings were burned down or abandoned ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â‚¬Å“ New York City was plain old ugly. A lot of people my age felt abandoned. Teen pregnancy was rampant. We had Ford tell us to drop dead and Regan with his "trickle down effects". Crack was taking good honest people and turning them into animals. So when I walked by those burned down or abandoned homes and saw a beautiful, colorful piece put up over the boarded up windows and doors it gave me hope. Look at the beautiful pieces done on handball courts or walls of the schools ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â‚¬Å“ it is an expression of the urban experience and lifestyle. We did not have the internet, cell phones, hell I didn't even get cable until I was in my 20's. We had no outlet to learn about the things around us. A walk to the library on 4th Ave and Pacific required that you dodge crackheads, hookers and pimps. We used the trains and walls as a way of saying "hey I am here" or "look I do have something to offer". It was a great feeling to live in Brooklyn and meet someone from the Bronx or Queens who saw your work. I still stop to look at the pieces done in our neighborhood and they still evoke a sense of hope in me.

daveb · July 2005

So when I walked by those burned down or abandoned homes and saw a beautiful, colorful piece put up over the boarded up windows and doors it gave me hope.

Exactly.

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