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Cooking dogfood — Brooklynian

Cooking dogfood

carmen
edited November -1 in Brooklyn Pets
Yes I am the doglady.
So I started cooking for the critter bc he's been having issues with ghiardia (still trying to get rid of it) and he was having serious intestinal issues with regular dry rice/lamb formula neutro. Now, although he'll eat dry food I kind of like cooking for him and am curious if anyone else cooks for their dog. So far he generally gets (this is for a week)

2 skinless chicken boobs
1 cup rice
1 cup peas

I just boil and shred the chicken,cook the rice and steam the peas and mix it all together. He LOVES it and his stomach seems much better, and I think I'll start adding a chicken liver into the mix...



ok go ahead and tell me how insane I am
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  • If you can swing it, throw him an raw bone (yes, even chicken provided it's RAW). Great for their teeth and digestion.
  • My dog loves sweet potatoes or butternut squash raw and cooked. I just cook the chicken, then toss veggies (and sometimes rice) in the chicken water until mushy and add the shredded chicken back in.

    The potatoes might help with runny poop. It's probably easier to cook for such a small dog than the bigger ones :) I save the cooking for him for when he's sick, which luckily hasn't happened in a very long time.

    Also, he used to have runny poop a couple of times a week and I think our current main food helped that a lot. I feed him a mixture of Iams (green bag, mini chunks that he loves) and Halo Spot's Stew chicken (tiny bites and it seems healthy and less likely to the contamination issues lots of bigger brands have). These are both dry food. He doesn't like most canned food but he's digging the BG (before grain) stuff.
  • Anastasia Beaverhausen wrote: If you can swing it, throw him an raw bone (yes, even chicken provided it's RAW). Great for their teeth and digestion.
    Yup he's been getting raw beef bones from a butcher at the GAP market. They have them periodically and its helping a ton with his teething.
  • I agree with OQ - having a monster dog makes cooking for him nearly impossible. I'd love to feed him a raw diet but I have no place to actually feed him (and he loves to bring his toys/treats in my bed to eat).
  • Yeah which is why I think its not SO doglady-like...I mean I can cook a weeks worth of food for him for like $5 and it takes 20 minutes tops.
  • Just keep telling yourself that, DogLady :)

    My dog would probably be happy if I just replaced his meals with crunchy peanut butter. He's goes to his happy place with the kong.

    He also loves it when I put his meals in the waggle. LOVES it. Maybe Oscar needs one. It's great for rainy or busy days, when he needs more inside entertainment.

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  • Anastasia Beaverhausen wrote: If you can swing it, throw him an raw bone (yes, even chicken provided it's RAW). Great for their teeth and digestion.
    actually, chicken bones are NOT great for digestion, because they can splinter and lodge at any point along the digestive tract, or smaller fragments can get bunched up and cause an obstruction in the stomach or small intestine. i used to work in the radiology department at an emergency veterinary hospital and saw this all the time. beef bones are fine because they're much less likely to turn into shards, but if you want to help their teeth you're better off with a rope toy or greenies (no rawhide, though! that stuff is terrible on so many levels).

    i tried cooking for my kitty for a while, but she was like, "uh, whatever, i'm not eating this. where the f**k is my f***ing weruva?" she is a petulant snot, but i've put 16+ years' worth of work and love into her, and i was not about to lose her to a hunger strike.
  • Nah, I think it's cool and tons better for him then the processed shit I feed Oscar.
  • brokechick wrote: [quote=Anastasia Beaverhausen]If you can swing it, throw him an raw bone (yes, even chicken provided it's RAW). Great for their teeth and digestion.
    actually, chicken bones are NOT great for digestion, because they can splinter and lodge at any point along the digestive tract, or smaller fragments can get bunched up and cause an obstruction in the stomach or small intestine.


    RAW RAW RAW. Cooked chicken bones will splinter and fragment. Raw bones are more flexible. It's perfectly fine to feed a dog a size appropriate raw chicken bone.
  • Anastasia Beaverhausen wrote: [quote=brokechick][quote=Anastasia Beaverhausen]If you can swing it, throw him an raw bone (yes, even chicken provided it's RAW). Great for their teeth and digestion.
    actually, chicken bones are NOT great for digestion, because they can splinter and lodge at any point along the digestive tract, or smaller fragments can get bunched up and cause an obstruction in the stomach or small intestine.


    RAW RAW RAW. Cooked chicken bones will splinter and fragment. Raw bones are more flexible. It's perfectly fine to feed a dog a size appropriate raw chicken bone.

    well, no . . . but they are your dogs and you can feed them what you like.
  • *sigh* chicken bones are a part of the BARF diet.
  • i'm not unfamiliar with the BARF diet, and i don't have any strong objections to it or any raw food diets for animals as long as they are carefully implemented and well-rounded. i do advise against chicken bones, even raw, generally because there is far more potential for trouble with them than with other, harder kinds of bones. i will say that it depends a lot on your individual dog and how he or she eats. some dogs will chew a bone well enough, but some will scarf it down in three cracks, and even a raw chicken bone can be very sharp when it breaks. if you have a bigger dog that swallows a bone while it is still in fairly large pieces, they can get stuck if they wind up poorly positioned at any point on the way through. some people feed their dogs this way all their lives with no issues whatsoever, but some people lose a dog to bloat or internal injury, or they have to go through the stress of fairly expensive surgery. i worked in veterinary medicine for ten years and saw it go both ways. all i know is that i would do what i could to keep anything that had even a tiny potential for harm out of my dog's mouth, and i have seen bones (even raw chicken bones) do some significant harm. that is the advice i would give to a friend, so it's the advice i chose to give here. honest, i am only trying to be a good neighbor.
  • I had never heard of the issues of giving dogs bones until I moved here.

    All of our dogs have been 50lbs or much more. They ate bones, raw and cooked (deer, hog, poultry, beef--legs, ribs, skulls, spines) and the only problem that ever happened was one of the dogs would get beef rib bones stuck in the roof of her mouth. Not fun, but easy to fix since they ate around us. Maybe smaller dogs, or inhalers (the ones who need those special knobby bowls to slow their eating) have more issues.

    I will say my GSD mix that ate tons of bones (my dad is a hunter and the dogs got the scraps off him and his fellow hunters) wore her teeth down earlier than the other dogs her age, but she was a very happy dog. Now the hair, that they do not digest well. Eating some animal hide with hair leads to very odd looking poop (kind of like a rope).

    I'm surprised to hear that you saw that many problems from the bones (not doubting you, just surprised). Maybe modern technology is just making us more aware of the issue or city dogs are just more exposed to things like the abundance of chicken bones on the streets.
  • it was a giant, 24-hour emergency hospital and we took a lot of referrals from other places, so i'm sure the number of cases we saw of that nature was higher than average just because of the number of patients we saw--and remember that i'm saying i saw a lot over my whole ten years there, not one every day or anything. but it was enough to make me nervous about it. my family had a lab/shepherd cross who could eat ANYTHING--bones, rocks, corncobs, live chipmunks, pounds of partially defrosted bread dough, an entire frozen pork shoulder still mostly in the plastic--and never bat an eye. i mean, obviously we didn't encourage that diet, but despite our best efforts she proved to be a pretty impressive creature, digestively speaking. but the degree of indestructibility varies widely from dog to dog. it is a choice you have to make for yourself based on whatever you think the best information is, i guess.
  • Carmen - how did your furry one get giardia? I just wonder because when I took my girl to the vet after several days of not keeping anything (including water) down, that was one of their last "desperation" tests before just writing the illness off as a severe stomach virus. I remember thinking, after okaying that $80 or whatever test, "where would she get giardia?" as it was November (so no swimming) and she only drinks what I drink i.e., filtered tap water...

    And to answer your main question - I don't think cooking for your dog is weird. I'd considered doing it - following a recipe like this one http://tedeboy.tripod.com/drmichaelwfox/id19.html . But ultimately - well, I'm a squeamish vegetarian and can think of few things I'd like to do less than cook meat in my apartment. So she gets high-protein, grain-free kibble and settles for home-baked doggie biscuits. :)
  • Toadette, I'm no expert on giardia but I know some folks with confirmed cases in their dogs and it was suspected that they got it from eating mud/grass in the park. I haven't really read about transmission, though. Mabye it survive, say in a puddle that your dog walks through on the sidewalk and then get to your dog via the pup grooming when you get home.

    Even if it's not giardia, that kind of sick is awful. It's so sad to see your dog feeling so sick and draining for the owner to take them out at all hours. It's probably a time when wee pad training is handy.
  • Bruno had giardia when I got him- his first stool sample confirmed it. I'm not sure how he got it but lots of puppies have it from shared water bowls, kennels, eating grass, etc. He has never been really sick from it (just loose stools.) I don't think that vomiting is a common effect of it though?

    Dogs can have giardia for many many years without ever showing symptoms just to have it "pop up" one day,so transmission doesn't have to take place around when symptoms develop. Bruno is happy and really active and eats well, the vet has told me it's not a *huge* issue unless he gets malnourished or sick. For now we're taking a break from treatment and im going to see how it goes.
  • My boxer also developed the same problem after we had left him at a very reputable kennel. Nothing anyone can do about the pups slurping from the same puddles or bowls.

    I cooked for him for a while (rice with chopped turkey, rice with chopped beef and wheat bread with eggs) until one of my friends clued me into the BARF diet.

    He is a happy, healthy 80 pound slobber machine - who only once in while gets a hankerin' for fiber - like the dining room table, the kitchen cabinets, the runners along the staircase. If only I could stop his tooth grinding (he has separation anxiety after we lost our older doggy) and unapproved fiber consumption he'd be perfect. Dumb - but perfect.[/url]
  • I am SOOO thankful Oscar's not a a chewer. And his slobber is minimal. Usually reserved for stuffies that he likes to wing at me like fucking baseballs.
  • That's awesome that you are cooking your dog's food. Lucky dog!

    http://www.vetbalance.com/index.php?/carnivore-vs.-omnivore.html
  • Subject: Cooking for your dog

    Couple of things.

    For giardia, you might want to add some probiotics, which provides beneficial bacteria that help fight the little buggers. You can buy them at the health food store. Minimally, you can use plain, unsweetened yogurt, but you may be able to get something better.

    Its great that you are cooking your dog's food. However, if cooked food is a large part of the diet, you need to be aware of the proper balance of ingredients, particularly the right amount of calcium. Dogs (and cats) need a suitable calcium source (bones, eggshell, or supplement) to balance the phosphorus in the meat, and it should be in the right proportion.

    Also, around 10% of the diet should be organ meat (liver, kidney, etc.). Don't overdo liver since too much vitamin a/d is toxic... but liver provides essential vitamins.

    Finally... and I know alot of people get squeamish about this.. but raw is better than cooked. When you cook meat, you are altering the vitamins/minerals/nutrients in the food.

    Phyllis
    Pooch & Kitty
    http://www.poochandkitty.net
  • We give our dog a fair amount of raw meat with his dry food. Sometimes when we're at the store my bf gets all excited to "pick out something gross" for the dog. I think last time was chicken hearts.

    Carmen, I was thinking of the cooking as a sick diet but I agree with P&K that it's probably not healthy to be his regular diet unless you do some research and add more stuff. Maybe try a good dry food and add the cooked as a treat.
  • I would like to keep cooking long-term, which is why I think the addition of a liver is a good idea. I have heard of the eggshell supplements, I'll check out GNC next time I'm near one. And I was actually thinking about probiotics- I have capsules and I take that are filled with powder, perhaps I'll sprinkle one of those in there next time too.
  • all of our dogs ate whatever we did. Our vet told us from the very beginning that if it's healthy for us, it's ok for the pets. All meats and veggies, rice and some macaroni. But never anything with sauce or gravy because dogs, like us, can pack on the pounds. So far so good, except for the occasional can of Pedigree when we're travelling and can't cook. Our Yorkie Poo Molly will only eat that and a certain flavor, so we make sure she gets what she wants.
  • molly9094 wrote: Our vet told us from the very beginning that if it's healthy for us, it's ok for the pets.
    But what about chocolate, onions, raisins, dairy, garlic?
  • well, chocolate isn't really *healthy* for anyone, even if it does have many, many wonderful qualities. but you're right, it can be downright dangerous for dogs, along with raisins/grapes, onions, and other things that people might not think about as red-flag foods. it's important to plan carefully and do some homework.
  • Wow, just read more about giardia. (I'm now going to be paranoid every time I see my pup licking her paws after a walk!) Sounds like quite the ordeal... Hope he keeps improving. How long until it runs its course?

    Since that illness I mentioned in Nov (she had really bad diarrhea on top of the vomiting, I think that's why they maybe suspected giardia), the grand finale of a series of awful gastrointestinal issues, I've been giving my pooch this probiotic that I just sprinkle on her food http://www.petnutri.com/pet-dophilus-powder-20036.htm . I got it somewhere in the neighborhood, I want to say in the Coop, but I'm sure some other pet stores stock it. She hasn't had any issues since (though perhaps that has more to do with the fact that I stopped putting her in daycare...).
  • I imagine that probiotic is almost the same as the one I have for people,I think i'll pop a capsule into his food and see how it goes.

    Giardia doesn't always "run its course"...meaning it can be a real pita to get rid of, and sometimes it never goes away. Right now his digestion seems fine and hes active and otherwise healthy, so I'm laying off the meds. If it flares back up Ill take him in, otherwise I'm just going to let him be a puppy and keep an eye on his pewps
  • Great. If you need help calculating the eggshell supplements, let me know. Its not a perfect science, but you should try to get it close.

    Phyllis
    Pooch & Kitty
    http://www.poochandkitty.net
    Carmen wrote: I would like to keep cooking long-term, which is why I think the addition of a liver is a good idea. I have heard of the eggshell supplements, I'll check out GNC next time I'm near one. And I was actually thinking about probiotics- I have capsules and I take that are filled with powder, perhaps I'll sprinkle one of those in there next time too.
  • That vet is totally wrong. You cannot compare how humans eat to how dogs eat. Dogs are carnivores, with short digestive tracts. They have a far greater tolerance for raw meat and other things because of that. And they have different nutritional requirements, PERIOD.

    Phyllis
    Pooch & Kitty
    http://www.poochandkitty.net
    Mougar wrote: [quote=molly9094]Our vet told us from the very beginning that if it's healthy for us, it's ok for the pets.
    But what about chocolate, onions, raisins, dairy, garlic?
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