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  • mr. met
    mr. met
    i bet the guy you talked to knows who did the shooting and he won't say anything.
  • sweet tea
    sweet tea
    i bet post-9/11 anthrax was an inside job.

    i bet kiwis could fly if they really wanted to.

    i bet oprah gains lost weight back just to keep her narrative compelling.


    this is a great game, btw.
  • caseopele
    caseopele
    mr. met wrote: i bet the guy you talked to knows who did the shooting and he won't say anything.
    Seriously? :roll:
  • mr. met
    mr. met
    i bet post-9/11 anthrax was an inside job.
    in addition to 9/11 itself?? maybe. :)
    Seriously?
    would it be that hard to believe?
  • cool the kid
    cool the kid
    Damn Franklin gets buck. I'm actually getting more and more comfortable over here by Nostrand
  • independent mind
    independent mind
    All I know is that when DRUGS and drug addiction are involved (and I'm not talking a little weed etc but the sort that is being sold around franklin, nostrand and st. johns etc.), crime knows no logic, no boundaries, no 'appropriate' areas. Nobody is safe, not by any logical measure, because when someone is high, or in withdrawal, or glutted with money from drug trade, s*** will inevitably hit the fan. Strangle the flow of drug traffic, however, and you've won half the battle.

    That said, when you live east of nostrand (or east of washington for that matter) the ambulance and police response time suffers because of overtaxed precincts, and that does cause, statistically speaking, more deaths, no doubt.

    PS sweet tea, do you mean 'kiwis' as in the fruit, or as in those dudes from flight of the conchords? Both options are funny, just wondering. [-o<
  • capt. planet
    capt. planet
    Years ago I got interested in local native American history. Seems local tribes were largely a peaceful lot for thousands of years, with only the occasional flair up, typically raiding parties, young braves making the equivalent of Lenape panty raids on neighboring tribes.
    Then the Europeans arrived.
    And all hell broke loose. Alliances were formed between colonists and various tribes, to make war on other colonists and other tribes, the French with the "indians" to fight the British being perhaps the most well-known example. Tribes ending up being decimated and residing in lands far removed from their native hunting grounds, after a lot of blood shed and loss of life.
    Any parallels with the situation on Franklin Avenue between the hipsters and hip-hoppers I'm sure many will think are inappropriate. That has never stopped me in the past. :pirat:
  • paraderest
    paraderest
    caseopele wrote:

    FYI, ParadeRest is EMS.
    No, I am not.
  • cool the kid
    cool the kid
    Capt. Planet wrote: Years ago I got interested in local native American history. Seems local tribes were largely a peaceful lot for thousands of years, with only the occasional flair up, typically raiding parties, young braves making the equivalent of Lenape panty raids on neighboring tribes.
    Then the Europeans arrived.
    And all hell broke loose. Alliances were formed between colonists and various tribes, to make war on other colonists and other tribes, the French with the "indians" to fight the British being perhaps the most well-known example. Tribes ending up being decimated and residing in lands far removed from their native hunting grounds, after a lot of blood shed and loss of life.
    Any parallels with the situation on Franklin Avenue between the hipsters and hip-hoppers I'm sure many will think are inappropriate. That has never stopped me in the past. :pirat:
    Europeans came, slaughtered, handed out smallpox blankets.

    Beyond an increased police presence, higher tax revenues for the area, more businesses & fixed gear bikes in the streets, hipsters (and "gentrifiers" in general) have had no effects on the neighborhood. At least no bad ones.

    The same shit is going on in Brownsville, Canarsie, ENY... the only difference is there are no gentrifiers there to cry about it, and there is little to no tax money to help get rid of it.

    But when you consider 15 yrs ago Franklin was a crack riddled wasteland (at least according to reports from one Christopher Wallace), I think it has come a long way. Even in my 3 years here, even having witnessed some things and living on blocks where murders have occured it isn't that bad.
  • caseopele
    caseopele
    ParadeRest wrote: [quote=caseopele]

    FYI, ParadeRest is EMS.
    No, I am not.

    My mistake. But your post make more sense to me now.
  • capt. planet
    capt. planet
    Early colonists came here not to kill "indians" but for economic reasons and to escape oppression. The Dutch West India company owned New Amsterdam and ran it as a business making money off fur trading and whatever else they could do to make a buck. The death of native Americans was just "collateral damage", hardly the main point of the venture.
    Likewise hipsters and gentrifiers are coming here because of the cheap housing convenient to many amenities. But one of the casualties are drug dealers who don't fit into the new scene. As their profits are squeezed due a loss of the usual customers, turf fights break out. The inevitable blood shed alarms the new residents, leading to more police presence and more loss of business, leading to more turf fights. Eventually the drug trade dies out along with the dealers. Those who survive no doubt move further east, where they have to fight for turf with the dealers out there, leading to more blood shed, and so on.
    So, you're right, the gentrifiers are handing out smallpox blankets, but they don't need to. Simply being there is enough.
  • independent mind
    independent mind
    Jesus I'm so sick of this self-righteous discourse against 'gentrifiers'. If people are being squeezed into new neighborhoods because the rent is cheaper (not just because it is more 'convenient' for them), then they are doing so because they are financially struggling, because the super-rich are getting richer and the economy is slowly squeezing out the middle class, etc. etc.. So, in your colonial analogy, the label colonists would be more appropriately applied to the landlords who opportunistically raise rents etc. Or more appropriately, the corporations that recognize the chance to build luxury condos etc. The gentrifiers would be more akin to the convicts and unsavory people who were shipped out to populate the colonies with the promise of cheap land. See what I'm saying? What is the point of persecuting the people moving out to new neighborhoods, why so much vitriol for them. Why, for GODS sake is there so much antipathy towards the actual people who are open-minded enough and creative enough to try to make new neighborhoods their own neighborhood. Frankly, I often feel that the discussion against gentrifiers and hipsters (and believe me, I find skinny jeans and pot-bellied bearded ironic t's as irritating as the next person) often sounds like nothing but thinly veiled segregationist thinking. Gentrification, integration, the blending of different classes, are, and have always been since the civil rights movement, widely accepted as GOOD things for American communities.

    Cheers for the newbies. Cheers for tourists, Cheers for people who don't think more highly of themselves simply by virtue of having lived in one place for ever. That's just pathetic.
  • jay b
    jay b
    Capt. Planet wrote: Early colonists came here not to kill "indians" but for economic reasons and to escape oppression. The Dutch West India company owned New Amsterdam and ran it as a business making money off fur trading and whatever else they could do to make a buck. The death of native Americans was just "collateral damage", hardly the main point of the venture.
    Likewise hipsters and gentrifiers are coming here because of the cheap housing convenient to many amenities. But one of the casualties are drug dealers who don't fit into the new scene. As their profits are squeezed due a loss of the usual customers, turf fights break out. The inevitable blood shed alarms the new residents, leading to more police presence and more loss of business, leading to more turf fights. Eventually the drug trade dies out along with the dealers. Those who survive no doubt move further east, where they have to fight for turf with the dealers out there, leading to more blood shed, and so on.
    So, you're right, the gentrifiers are handing out smallpox blankets, but they don't need to. Simply being there is enough.
    So the drug dealers are the victims here? How about they just stop dealing drugs and being criminals? When business dries up at a store, the store owner doesn't start killing other store owners. They close the store and find something else to do for money. If gentrification is a problem for drug dealers, they could try to find something else to do with their lives. They will not make much money, but they could settle for less money in exchange for setting better examples for their children (and less chance of being shot over cocaine). Those children may grow up and have a better shot at more lucrative careers if they are raised to work hard and not follow the criminal path. Then, they might have money to rent apartments in the neighborhood that are currently occupied by "gentrifiers."
  • chekhovian
    chekhovian
    I think Franklin Ave is a fine example of the coexistence between the gentrifiers and drug dealers.
  • capt. planet
    capt. planet
    Geez, I don't know why you say I'm vilifying gentrifiers. Hell, I'm one of them. I fully support people who try to better themselves, just like the colonists were in the 1700's. Consider the alternative. Staying where you are and putting up with whatever crappy life you may be having?
    My point was more that the spike in gun violence is not a general problem but a reaction to the changing neighborhood. And that it will eventually go away as the drug dealers leave. And just as the occasional settler got shot at by native Americans, so too the latter day settlers may experience the occasional encounter with danger. It's all a part of the deal.
  • mr. long
    mr. long
    Welcome to the HOOD!
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