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Retriever Puppy kicked by band members in Prospect Park - Page 7 — Brooklynian

Retriever Puppy kicked by band members in Prospect Park

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  • gringcorp
    gringcorp
    Sometimes I run around the park during off-leash hours pushing a jogging stroller. On occasion I am faced with a TERRIBLE DILEMMA when a puppy strays into my path. Do I look like I don't care about animals by continuing on my path? Or do I look like I am a fan of endangering my child by swerving violently? Fortunately I am extremely, lethally, agile, in my ratty sweatpants and shiny sneakers pushing my hateful yuppie contraption. But one constituency, somewhere, is judging me
  • pittiecity
    pittiecity
    You all act like you've never kicked a puppy in the head before!
  • danh
    danh
    prospectheightsyo wrote: So Eric, now that you have the band's myspace, what is it exactly that you plan to do?

    Also, the claims about me being in the band just because I started an account to post on here is laughable. You've never created an account on a random message board to join a specific conversation? I've never even heard of this board until someone linked to this discussion. Guess I need to sit on my lazy ass and make a hundred banal posts before I have "cred"? Losers.
    People are saying much worse things about you on Gothamist. You should go defend the band and photographer there.
  • yoda
    yoda
    The band and the dog owners are cut from the same cloth. A conflict over "who is more entitled", sounds like to me. Park Slope is heading for a hipster/yuppie riot. Bikes, babies, dogs, strollers. Let the fighting begin. Dog kicking, bike trashing, stroller vandalizing, baby slapping all to a soundtrack of whining adults.
  • lo kee
    lo kee
    We've all lost sight of the fact that regular, repeated kicking tenderizes the puppy meat for eventual preparation and grilling (like veal, duh).
  • mr. met
    mr. met
    1. if you have a dog off leash, it should be well-trained enough that it won't be a nuisance to strangers. if your dog isn't trained, it shouldn't be off leash.

    2. i bet this didn't happen, or the person nudged the dog with his or her foot.
  • danh
    danh
    mr. met wrote: 1. if you have a dog off leash, it should be well-trained enough that it won't be a nuisance to strangers. if your dog isn't trained, it shouldn't be off leash.

    2. i bet this didn't happen, or the person nudged the dog with his or her foot.
    1- I don't own a dog, and I'm not a "dog person" so if I want to avoid dogs I avoid the area that are designated for them to be off leash at certain hours. It's like going to a dog run and complaining about the barking.

    2- It's apparently not only one person saying this happened. It's clear it was more than a nudge... but less than a football punt.

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    So you have no frame of reference here, Donny. You're like a child who wanders into the middle of a movie and wants to know...
    -walter (TBL)
  • mr. met
    mr. met
    1- I don't own a dog, and I'm not a "dog person" so if I want to avoid dogs I avoid the area that are designated for them to be off leash at certain hours. It's like going to a dog run and complaining about the barking.
    what? so prospect park is officially a dog run during off-leash hours? the park is for them and they can do whatever they want? that's laughable.

    i have a dog and love dogs. that said, i don't let my dog off-leash because i'm not 100% certain that i will have complete control over her. what if that puppy ran up to an aggressive dog that was on-leash and got seriously injured?
    2- It's apparently not only one person saying this happened.
    how many people actually saw it happen?
  • carmen
    carmen
    mr. met wrote:

    i have a dog and love dogs. that said, i don't let my dog off-leash because i'm not 100% certain that i will have complete control over her. what if that puppy ran up to an aggressive dog that was on-leash and got seriously injured?
    I would argue this is the fault of the person owning the aggressive dog, NOT the owner of the wandering puppy. In the same sense, I would argue that it is the fault of the owner of the foot which kicked a curious dog in a situation where curious dogs are plentiful, not the owner of the dog.
  • mr. met
    mr. met
    I would argue this is the fault of the person owning the aggressive dog, NOT the owner of the wandering puppy.
    huh? there is nothing wrong with having an aggressive dog if you keep it on-leash at all times and are responsible. a ton of dogs are aggressive toward other dogs; that's just the way it is. if the owner keeps the dog on a leash and under control, then they are doing their job. if an owner has a dog off-leash and can't control it, and it ends up getting hurt or causing trouble with a dog that is on a leash, then the owner of the off-leash dog is at fault.
    I would argue that it is the fault of the owner of the foot which kicked a curious dog in a situation where curious dogs are plentiful, not the owner of the dog.
    i would argue that i never said that kicking a dog is okay. i said the confrontation should have never happened.
  • carmen
    carmen
    So you're saying that a person should be fully able to bring an aggressive dog on leash to a place where there are, say, lots of children (how about a playground?) and if someone is bitten it should be the fault of the parent for not training their child to not touch a dog? Obviously children should be taught to not approach strange animals, but in a place such as a playground there is a small understood amount of safety- same thing with offleash, imo.
  • danh
    danh
    mr. met wrote:
    1- I don't own a dog, and I'm not a "dog person" so if I want to avoid dogs I avoid the area that are designated for them to be off leash at certain hours. It's like going to a dog run and complaining about the barking.
    what? so prospect park is officially a dog run during off-leash hours? the park is for them and they can do whatever they want? that's laughable.

    i have a dog and love dogs. that said, i don't let my dog off-leash because i'm not 100% certain that i will have complete control over her. what if that puppy ran up to an aggressive dog that was on-leash and got seriously injured?
    2- It's apparently not only one person saying this happened.
    how many people actually saw it happen?
    1-I'm not sure how you came to that conclusion. I apologize if the dog run analogy confused you. During certain hours 3 small areas are designated for dogs to be off leash. If you don't want contact with dogs, common sense would tell you to stay away from those three areas (even if you didnt know that the area was a designated area, you'd think you'd show up and say "there sure as sheeet are a lot of dogs here").
    Common sense would also tell me that if I thought my leashed dog might injure a small off leash puppy I should stay away from the off leash areas as well.

    2- Three so far who posted. I'd bet a small portion of the prospect park dog walking population doesn't know of this site too.
  • mr. met
    mr. met
    So you're saying that a person should be fully able to bring an aggressive dog on leash to a place where there are, say, lots of children (how about a playground?) and if someone is bitten it should be the fault of the parent for not training their child to not touch a dog?
    i was talking about a dog-aggressive dog. dogs that are aggressive toward people should in most cases be put down.
    Obviously children should be taught to not approach strange animals, but in a place such as a playground there is a small understood amount of safety- same thing with offleash, imo.
    someone else said something similar about off-leash hours, and i don't understand it. during off-leash hours, prospect park is NOT a dog run. comparing prospect park during off-leash hours to a childrens playground is spurious, in my opinion.
  • mr. met
    mr. met
    During certain hours 3 small areas are designated for dogs to be off leash. If you don't want contact with dogs, common sense would tell you to stay away from those three areas (even if you didnt know that the area was a designated area, you'd think you'd show up and say "there sure as sheeet are a lot of dogs here").
    i don't think the areas are small.

    maybe i am confused about what the privileges of off-leash hours are. i did not think that off-leash areas meant that those areas are officially for dogs during those hours (dog runs). "off-leash area" is not the same as "dog run", imo.
  • mr. met
    mr. met
    here are some quotes from the nyc parks website:
    No person owning, possessing or controlling any animal shall cause or allow such animal to be out of control in any park under any circumstances.
    quote about off-leash areas:
    such dogs shall, except for being unleashed, be kept under the control of their owner and shall not at any time harass or injure any park patron and/or, harass, injure, damage, sever, mutilate, or kill any animal, tree, planting, flower, shrub or other vegetation
    i think it's pretty clear.
  • mr. met
    mr. met
    Certain park areas allow dogs to be off-leash from the time the park opens until 9 a.m. AND from 9 p.m. until the park closes. Dog owners/attendants with dogs off-leash in these designated areas must obey all general rules, including having their dog under control at all times
    also, carmen:

    dogs are not allowed in playgrounds.
  • carmen
    carmen
    mr. met wrote:
    Certain park areas allow dogs to be off-leash from the time the park opens until 9 a.m. AND from 9 p.m. until the park closes. Dog owners/attendants with dogs off-leash in these designated areas must obey all general rules, including having their dog under control at all times
    also, carmen:

    dogs are not allowed in playgrounds.
    How about a leashed dog on the street then? Little kids run up to/slap/scream at/otherwise touch my on-leash dog all the time.
  • mr. met
    mr. met
    How about a leashed dog on the street then? Little kids run up to/slap/scream at/otherwise touch my on-leash dog all the time.
    like i said, if a dog is aggressive toward humans, it should probably be put down. i was talking about dog-aggressive dogs.
  • carmen
    carmen
    If a dog is truly dog aggressive NYC is probably not the best place for it.
  • mr. met
    mr. met
    If a dog is truly dog aggressive NYC is probably not the best place for it.
    yea, if it's vicious with every dog it sees, i would agree. unless it always has a muzzle on outside, or it has its own enclosed area where it can run around, NYC probably isn't a good place.
  • danh
    danh
    mr. met wrote:
    During certain hours 3 small areas are designated for dogs to be off leash. If you don't want contact with dogs, common sense would tell you to stay away from those three areas (even if you didnt know that the area was a designated area, you'd think you'd show up and say "there sure as sheeet are a lot of dogs here").
    i don't think the areas are small.

    maybe i am confused about what the privileges of off-leash hours are. i did not think that off-leash areas meant that those areas are officially for dogs during those hours (dog runs). "off-leash area" is not the same as "dog run", imo.
    Small is a relative term. Let's say it is a considerably smaller than the areas that are not off-leash areas.

    Officially for dogs? as in no people allowed? I think that's only the case with the water at the dog beach.
    No one is saying the area is a dog run (and i apologized if my analogy confused you). But like i said, common sense should tell the simplest person to go somewhere else if they don't want contact with dogs.
  • carmen
    carmen
    danh wrote: But like i said, common sense should tell the simplest person to go somewhere else if they don't want contact with dogs.

    A place like, I don't know, THE ENTIRE REST OF NEW YORK CITY.
    Not literally, but come on. Or just wait till after 9am and enjoy the park critter-free.
  • mr. met
    mr. met
    But like i said, common sense should tell the simplest person to go somewhere else if they don't want contact with dogs.
    maybe. but this is NOT (as the quotes on the previous page show) what the parks department had in mind when implementing off-leash hours. your dog MUST be under your control and not bother anyone, even during off-leash hours.
  • carmen
    carmen
    VICIOUS GOLDEN RETRIEVER PUPPY ATTACKS INNOCENT BAND MEMBERS WITH AN ONSLAUGHT OF SNIFFS AND LICKS!! HORRIFIED PARKS DEPARTMENT TO REWRITE OFF-LEASH RULES!!
  • danh
    danh
    Carmen wrote: VICIOUS GOLDEN RETRIEVER PUPPY ATTACKS INNOCENT BAND MEMBERS WITH AN ONSLAUGHT OF SNIFFS AND LICKS!! HORRIFIED PARKS DEPARTMENT TO REWRITE OFF-LEASH RULES!!
    make that: vicious OUT OF CONTROL golden retriever puppy
  • mr. met
    mr. met
    VICIOUS GOLDEN RETRIEVER PUPPY ATTACKS INNOCENT BAND MEMBERS WITH AN ONSLAUGHT OF SNIFFS AND LICKS!! HORRIFIED PARKS DEPARTMENT TO REWRITE OFF-LEASH RULES!!
    knew this was coming.

    you can tease, but the larger point behind what i'm saying is correct, according to park regulations. the quotes i posted don't really leave room for argument. "under control at all times."

    like i said, if that puppy ran up to an on-leash dog that didn't like other dogs...

    that's only one of the many bad things that could happen when you let a dog off its leash when you don't have control over it.
  • mr. met
    mr. met
    make that: vicious OUT OF CONTROL golden retriever puppy
    you can take out the "vicious."

    "out of control dog harassing people" is probably more accurate.
  • danh
    danh
    mr. met wrote:
    make that: vicious OUT OF CONTROL golden retriever puppy
    you can take out the "vicious."

    "out of control dog harassing people" is probably more accurate.
    "trying to have a conversation with you would be like trying to argue with a dining room table"
  • carmen
    carmen
    Mr.Met follows ALL RULES at ALL TIMES in ALL PLACES.
  • mr. met
    mr. met
    what if the person were allergic to dogs and you couldn't get your dog to leave him/her alone?
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