TRASH ON NOSTRAND AVE STRIP
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Ishtar wrote: [quote=catsitter] I wonder too if they treat their home the same way, or their car the same way... probably not.
Some people in my building refuse to dispose of their garbage properly. They just open the compactor closet and toss on the floor. I've also seen these same people toss chicken bones on the floor, piss in the elevator and spit all up and down the hallway. So, yes some people treat their home like a dump.
i would not let these people get away with this in my building. -
I like the idea of a PSA type campaign.
The best way to finance something like that that would be through a merchant's association, or even a BID. Unfortunately, from many accounts, many of the business owners don't care too much about (or understand the importance of) the vitality of Nostrand as a whole. They are trying to get their money and feed their families and that's about it. The merchants assocation is basically defunct (from what I understand, Barbara's Flowers and Syl's Awards were very active, but even Syl's is now closed). A BID is very hard to obtain without the business owners signing on board.
In terms of other organizations to collaborate with, I'd say that the best bet might be Crown Heights North Association (CHNA). As part of their mission CHNA focuses on, among other things, community revitalization and economic advancement. Plus at least part of Nostrand was included in the Phase I designation and the balance is included in the proposed Phase II, so this is within their domain.
Crown Heights Revitalization Movement would be another good contender, but they are really focused on the Intake Center right now.
Another resource might be Assemblyman Karim Camara, who has worked on Nostrand improvement projects in the past, including a graffiti removal project.
Or we can always get together and do it ourselves! -
the rampant (from what i've heard) drug dealing on nostrand can't help
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To:
Won't UB My Nabor
I have been on other threads on the Crown Hts. etc, list. I just started today but have been active in the community in the past four years. Unfortunately, I don't know what the acronym "BID" stands for.
Some of the parties you are talking about I already interface with. The Armory intake center is (rightfully and righteously) sucking a lot of the air out of the room. But, if the fight to stop the moving of the homeless intake center for the entire city of New York to Crown Heights fails, then Bloomberg will have won the battle in his war to effect a "Katrina style" evacuation of this community. I have always considered Crown Heights the jewel of central Brooklyn.
Once again, PSAs are used all over the country on progressive media. NYC is so media intensive and expensive; we have to find a way to teach the behavior that is desirable in a vital community. -
Reply to mr. met:
Of course there are still plenty of garbage cans. It is just that most of the locations that need them the most are overflowing with commercial trash and home garbage that has been disposed of illegally, especially in high traffic locations (i.e. bus stops and just outside train stations).
When the trash blows down the street, the city raises revenue (unfair tax on the people) by writing citations against homeowners -
reply to xlizellx:
Try joining your block association or tenant's association. If your block or apartment building doesn't have one, then start one. Come out to the Community Board and/or Community Precinct meetings for your area.
just a suggestion -
Sorry - a BID is a business improvement district. Basically, with the help of the city, a tax is levied against business and property owners in a predetermined district. The money that is raised is reinvested into the district, in the form of capital improvements, street cleaning services, security, marketing, etc. -- or whatever the district's needs are.
There are a number of BIDs around the city. Fulton in Bed-Stuy has a newly designated BID. Time Square has a BID. The power of the BID is that once it is established, participation is mandatory, unlike, say, a merchant's association which is voluntary. -
to Won't UB My Nabor:
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The PSA's sound like a good idea. It would seem like a good idea to get the kids involved. Couldnt they have a contest for best poster about not littering? or paint murals with that message. sure beats grafitti.
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bklyn50 wrote: reply to xlizellx:
We do not have either from my research (Def. not a building one, it is 8 units) ... how does one start one? is it a formal thing to create? i will google around a bit... but i would appreciate any input. thanks!
Try joining your block association or tenant's association. If your block or apartment building doesn't have one, then start one. Come out to the Community Board and/or Community Precinct meetings for your area.
just a suggestion -
mr. met wrote: i was riding my bike up classon ave and a middle-aged man was leaning against a tree taking a piss.
Maybe that's the same guy I found pissing on my front steps a couple weeks ago...
how can we stop that?
Anyhow, this problem is cultural. Education and enforcement are the way to tackle it, but it takes special leadership to take on these macro issues with micro symptoms. -
Anyhow, this problem is cultural.
yea. pretty sad. -
Won't UB My Nabor wrote: I like the idea of a PSA type campaign.
There is some sort of merchants association or BID on the Nostrand Avenue blocks from Sterling to Prospect. A couple of years ago they got together and got money from elected officials to do new signage for busineses, new lamposts, and garbage cans (the mushroom cap type which keep trash from flying out). Not sure who lead the charge on that althogh I recall hearing it was the gentleman that owns the real estate/travel agency on the west side of the street.
The best way to finance something like that that would be through a merchant's association, or even a BID. Unfortunately, from many accounts, many of the business owners don't care too much about (or understand the importance of) the vitality of Nostrand as a whole. They are trying to get their money and feed their families and that's about it. The merchants assocation is basically defunct (from what I understand, Barbara's Flowers and Syl's Awards were very active, but even Syl's is now closed). A BID is very hard to obtain without the business owners signing on board.
A big part of the issue is that the local businesses don't do their part to clean very well. There are some folks that are obsessive about it (sweeping first thing in the morning and again throughout the day) but many others don't do anything at all. And for those buildings which have no street level retail, or are empty/vaccant anything goes. The merchants don't look on it as being their job and as a result, the street looks like hell. -
reply to xlizellx:
Contact your local community board. If you live within the 77th Pct. then that's Community Board 8
1291 St. Marks Ave.
Brooklyn, NY 11213
(718) 467-5574
[email protected]
They'll probably tell you that you need to have done preliminary organizing within your location and have an organization name, preliminary officers (president, vp, secretary, treasurer), and a contact address. Your CB will tell you whatever other steps you may need.
There is also an ombudsman type person who is supposed to help people like you organize a block association or tenant's association. For help in contacting that person contact Brooklyn Borough Hall. -
bklyn50 wrote: reply to xlizellx:
thank you! i'll look into that!
Contact your local community board. If you live within the 77th Pct. then that's Community Board 8
1291 St. Marks Ave.
Brooklyn, NY 11213
(718) 467-5574
[email protected]
They'll probably tell you that you need to have done preliminary organizing within your location and have an organization name, preliminary officers (president, vp, secretary, treasurer), and a contact address. Your CB will tell you whatever other steps you may need.
There is also an ombudsman type person who is supposed to help people like you organize a block association or tenant's association. For help in contacting that person contact Brooklyn Borough Hall. -
Just to be clear, a plastic bottle or food container knows where it's being sold? A plastic bottle from Park Slope is more likely to find it's way into a trash can because the trash can was not taken to make an impromptu fire pit? It's the people silly! Trash comes from the inside. Kids don't learn to be good citizens at home and in school because it's not a priority. Listen to the teacher who knows what little kids are thinking they don't know the word "litter" or "trash". This whole blame the french fries for being fat or blame the plastic bottle for not finding it's own way to the bin is BS. It's self control and from an early age lots of kids are taught none and they turn into spray painting,loud talking, drug smoking and yes litter throwing parts of our community that so much energy is spent on trying to overcome. Some people are ruined but children need to be taught to be clean and neat if not for them for the guy who complained about pee in the elevator or slipping on a chicken bone while coming and going from the apt lobby. Asking the cops to write more tickets for litter or public urination is way too late, it starts at home. Cops raising kids is how this subject came up.
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I agree, catwalkertexasranger.
I'm generally disgusted walking home everyday after work. It actually makes me ashamed of where I live and resentful of the people in my neighborhood. I know those are extreme feelings, but it's hard to go from living in a black community where people cared to one where folks have zero home training. -
Ishtar, you have some very valid points. I've been in NY 20 yrs and it took me a loooooooooong time to get used of lack green space coming from Lancaster Penn. And that was when I've move to the East Village.
xlizellx - has excellent points! Ive only been in Crown heights less than a year, but it's main merchant streets are some of the messiest I've every seen on my entire life. The block I live on is Ok, but Nostrand and Franklin Ave are ridiculously fifthly each and every day!.
BKLYN50 - I would love to Produce and Film the PSA. I would like if the script was a collaborative effort. I am not a parent and most of my friends are not, so the angle of Parents-children angle can be handled much better by a parent or teacher.
So we have the equipment and editor and just need the story. Who would like to help come up with the script?bklyn50 wrote: Anyone interested in doing fundraising for Public Service Announcements (PSAs)? Advertising is used to sell things of dubious value (including values). An encompassing campaign of PSAs throughout the community would help to change peoples behavior over time.
xlizellx
The educators who previously posted are correct. Many children come to school now with no values and very little training in the time honored institution of SHAME. (see Jewish mothers). This institution, greatly attributed to Jewish mothers has always been prevalent in any society where the family was intact, and the community parented as a collective whole (african proverb: It takes a community to raise a child).
Most adult persons of good faith no longer take the time to address small children misbehaving, assigning it as "someone else's job". This is vaguely similar to the disconnected youth who felt that picking up after they made a mess was "someone else's job" -
I had an interesting experience on Monday. My SO pointed out that there were guys outside rolling blunts in front of our property. They were dropping the tobacco in piles directly in front of the door. I opened the door just in time to have a full cigar dropped on my foot. At which point I said "Sweetie, I have to sweep up after you. Can you at least drop it in the gutter or in the trash can on the corner?" To which I got a very apologetic "Sorry ma" (from a man at least ten years older than me). Then guys then proceeded to pick up handfulls of the stuff and put it into a garbage bag which my neighbor had out. More muttered apologies and they moved on.
Shame, it works every time... -
Folks, regarding the PSA idea, someone just posted this elsewhere:
"Grants for Community-Building Projects!"
http://www.brooklynian.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=52991
excerpt:ccny wrote: Hello fellow Brooklynians, I work with an organization called Citizens Committee for New York City, and we want to help provide you with the resources you need to take action in our neighborhoods!
Just thought I'd connect the dots here, as it might help to get the ball rolling.
Have a great idea for a community improvement project? Apply for a New Yorkers for Better Neighborhoods Award! Citizens Committee for New York City awards grants of $500 to $3,000 to volunteer-led groups to work on projects that bring neighbors together and that have a positive impact on the community.
Good luck! -
SUPER GREAT CONNECTING OF DOTS JEFFREY!!! We can make this happen!
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Thank you Jeffrey!
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