Capitalism: A Love Story
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Subject: Michael Moore
If Michael Moore thinks the economy is unfair now, wait until he sees it in the future if the govenment keeps spending the way they've been in the last 7 months. We're all going to have to pay dearly for this huge debt. And if capitalism is so bad, how does he think he managed to get funding to make his movies in the past and will continue to do it in the long run? Does he think the goverment is going to fund or bail him out too???
I don't love the guy. -
Michael Moore ruins any kernel of a good point he has by the tricks he resorts to while filming and his completely biased slant. I'd have a lot more interest and respect if there was more research in his movies rather than hammering his agenda home at any cost.
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the last 7 months? try the last 8 (or 80) years.
we're STILL paying for the Iraq Debacle. $4B a week.
$4,000,000,000 per week.
(at it's peak, that cost may be less now) -
Subject: Re: Michael Moore
dakotas way wrote: If Michael Moore thinks the economy is unfair now, wait until he sees it in the future if the govenment keeps spending the way they've been in the last 7 months. We're all going to have to pay dearly for this huge debt. And if capitalism is so bad, how does he think he managed to get funding to make his movies in the past and will continue to do it in the long run? Does he think the goverment is going to fund or bail him out too???
Reminds me of an analogy I saw on reddit recently:
I don't love the guy.cultured_banana_slug wrote: It's like if you entered an eight-year lease with a bunch of other people for a house. There's a pool of money everyone contributes to, but only a few people decide what it's to be spent on. They decide that it's far better to spend it on beer and hookers and cocaine, because everyone likes that kind of stuff. When the rent comes due and the electricity gets shut off because of lack of payment, the people in charge start borrowing money to pay off the bills, while still buying hookers and beer and cocaine. When the next guy comes along that's in charge of the next eight-year lease (because people got tired of the electricity being shut off and thought how nice it'd be if the roof got repaired and the toilets flushed without having to use a bucket,) he's faced with a bill for everything the previous guy did. He's also faced with hookers and drug dealers who have fat contracts with his house, contracts that are very difficult to get out of quickly. He ALSO has to figure out how to fix all the problems that crept up because the previous guy was spending money on hookers, rather than on the house.
The money pool is empty, as the last guy spent it all before he left. So, the new guy has to borrow money to pay back the electric company, get the water working properly again, fix the toilets, fix the roof, and put food in the fridge (which has been empty a long while, as there was no money for food.) He also has to keep buying hookers and cocaine, because you don't just jump ship on those kinds of people without serious repercussions.
The old guy and his friends get pissed. After all, they were booted out for borrowing way too much, and now this new guy goes and does the same thing!
After the first few months of the new guy in charge, people start wondering if he's just as bad as the old one. Mainly because the old guys and their friends won't quit complaining. -
Nailed it.
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But this guy just prints the money he needs and will let you, your children and their children pay the bill for many, many years.
Anybody hear that the White House dumped information after 5PM a few Fridays ago saying they just realized they underestimated the new debt by 2 TRILLION DOLLARS!!!!! It's not the original 7 trillion they thought. It's NINE trillion dollars. That's a huge oops.
You better bone up on your Chinese cause they're going to own us soon if we keep borrowing from them like we have. -
Perhaps you missed the analogy above.
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But this guy just prints the money he needs and will let you, your children and their children pay the bill for many, many years.
great point!
:roll:If Michael Moore thinks the economy is unfair now
you think it's fair? -
I like Michael Moore. I agree with his biases. I really don't care how he gets his money or what he does with it. He puts people in uncomfortable positions with many hilarious results. His messages have been excellent and mostly ring true, IMO.
I'm glad there is someone like him out there doing this. (yeah there maybe people "like him" but they don't get the notoriety, which matters) -
dakotas way wrote: But this guy just prints the money he needs and will let you, your children and their children pay the bill for many, many years.
if you think the bailout was 'printing money', you need to bone up a little more on the depths of the true crisis we are facing, as well as how our economy, government spending and government stimulus works.
also, I'm curious your thoughts on Bush's tax cuts and multi-trillion dollar war. You know he just 'printed that money', right? -
Subject: Michael Moore
Yes, I do see the analogy and it's a good one. But it's not the old friends complaining that make this a problem. It IS it's own problem. Period. And it's ruining our country.
It's that the new guy just keeps spending and spending and even the hookers have to be getting tired by now, don't you think??
And I hated the Cowboy when he was in office, so please understand that I know what a mess he made of things. I was not a George Bush fan by any stretch of the imagination.
I do not think the economy is fair at all. But let me tell you that my husband and I have spent much of our lives working two and three jobs at once to try to save and not be a burden on anyone, and to have someone tell me I should be further taxed or I'm being selfish for not sharing my earnings is ridiculous. I'd give you the shirt off of my back if you needed it. I have a kid in college and sweat every month as to how we can continue paying so he can have a secure future. So that he can pay his share of grinding debt we're being thrown in to. -
dakotas way wrote: I don't love the guy.
So I'm wondering why you said this when this film seems to be expressing exactly what you are upset about. -
I have a kid in college and sweat every month as to how we can continue paying so he can have a secure future.
if you sweat every month to get by, your taxes won't be going up -
Subject: Re: Michael Moore
And I hated the Cowboy when he was in office, so please understand that I know what a mess he made of things. I was not a George Bush fan by any stretch of the imagination.
then you should stop speaking about Obama as if he's doing anything new. in fact what he is doing that's new is spending govt money for the actual benefit of the American people, unlike GWB's tax cuts and Iraqi "freedom".I do not think the economy is fair at all. But let me tell you that my husband and I have spent much of our lives working two and three jobs at once to try to save and not be a burden on anyone, and to have someone tell me I should be further taxed or I'm being selfish for not sharing my earnings is ridiculous. I'd give you the shirt off of my back if you needed it. I have a kid in college and sweat every month as to how we can continue paying so he can have a secure future. So that he can pay his share of grinding debt we're being thrown in to.
Then you and your husband should understand better than most how important it was to stabilize the economy and the entire banking system so that your retirement and savings funds didn't become worthless overnight, as has already happened to millions of people.
nobody's asking you to give money away. nobody's jacking your taxes up. That's not what government stimulus is.
And the fact that you'd mention those two ideas in connection to the stimulus makes me think that you haven't closely studied the crisis we face and what our options are to deal with it. -
MeredithB wrote: [quote=dakotas way]I don't love the guy.
So I'm wondering why you said this when this film seems to be expressing exactly what you are upset about.
Because rather than educate people, he's gonna propagandize and present things with his completely shameless bias
The greatest tragedy about this dude is that he has the power and vision to actually present something worthwhile; instead he keeps coming back with more biased drivel. -
Because rather than educate people, he's gonna propagandize and present things with his completely shameless bias
anyone that looks to documentaries for cold, hard facts needs to be educated -
Cool The Kid wrote: Because rather than educate people, he's gonna propagandize and present things with his completely shameless bias
IMO, this country needs some biased drivel and it doesn't take a lot to educate the vapid minions, any opposing viewpoint from the biased drivel which most of them feed off of will do.
The greatest tragedy about this dude is that he has the power and vision to actually present something worthwhile; instead he keeps coming back with more biased drivel. -
MeredithB wrote: [quote=Cool The Kid]Because rather than educate people, he's gonna propagandize and present things with his completely shameless bias
IMO, this country needs some biased drivel and it doesn't take a lot to educate the vapid minions, any opposing viewpoint from the biased drivel which most of them feed off of will do.
The greatest tragedy about this dude is that he has the power and vision to actually present something worthwhile; instead he keeps coming back with more biased drivel.
Mainstream media + liberal college professors aren't doing enough for you? What purpose does this -
Please know that I am extremely well versed in this economic crisis. And I sweat each month finding college tuition without taking out loans. We don't spend more than we earn, as so many did when buying homes and things they really couldn't afford. College these days in the field my son is in is incredibly expensive and more than most people make in a year. And the sin of it is that if he doesn't get some kind of degree the chances of getting a job making good wages is much lower. Also, he is taking out loans to get through school as well to help on his part.
Obama is not stabilizng the country, by any means whatsoever. He is destablizing us to the degree of collapse. And yes, he didn't do it all by himself, but in his short tenure he has done incredible damage.
And I have to ask this question. How has the stimulus package benefited anyone you know personally? -
dakotas way wrote: And I have to ask this question. How has the stimulus package benefited anyone you know personally?
The extension of unemployment payments has helped several people I know personally. -
Michael Moore, the Rush Limbaugh of the left.
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Obama is not stabilizng the country, by any means whatsoever. He is destablizing us to the degree of collapse.
the country would have collapsed without the stimulus package. banks are necessary. -
Michael Moore, the Rush Limbaugh of the left.
at least Moore isn't a racist bigot -
dakotas way wrote: Please know that I am extremely well versed in this economic crisis.
Then what do you think should have been done to prevent the collapse of the banking system?dakotas way wrote: And I have to ask this question. How has the stimulus package benefited anyone you know personally?
I firmly believe it helped stave off a financial crisis the likes of which we may have never seen before. If banks don't lend, commerce doesn't happen. If the banks go under, they keep your money. The more banks collapsed, the more the economy tumbled, the more people's retirement funds were plundered of any value.
so who directly benefited? anyone I know with a retirement fund. -
mr. met wrote:
You don't have to tell me, I certainly don't support Limbaugh, but then again, I don't support Moore either. Liars are always bad, on the right or the left.Michael Moore, the Rush Limbaugh of the left.
at least Moore isn't a racist bigot -
You don't have to tell me, I certainly don't support Limbaugh, but then again, I don't support Moore either. Liars are always bad, on the right or the left.
so you think Moore is just as harmful as Limbaugh? you think Moore's ideas are thinly veiled expressions of hate? -
mr. met wrote:
Well, I can't really answer that because all I really know about Limbaugh is what I hear about him or from him on public radio or on Howard Stern, However, I have seen Moore's major movies and he strikes me as doing his causes more harm then good. Also, one of the reporters for the Weekly Standard, my favorite conservative leaning paper, has accused Moore of fabricating quotes. A very unusual and serious charge. And I don't find Moor to be the believable party.You don't have to tell me, I certainly don't support Limbaugh, but then again, I don't support Moore either. Liars are always bad, on the right or the left.
so you think Moore is just as harmful as Limbaugh? you think Moore's ideas are thinly veiled expressions of hate? -
Also, one of the reporters for the Weekly Standard, my favorite conservative leaning paper, has accused Moore of fabricating quotes
any specifics? -
perhaps I can find it, after I teach a class,
it has been discussed several times on WNYC - the Brian Lehrer show. -
Moore's movies don't spew hate, but they spew misinformation to push an agenda, which IMO is just as damaging.
Main point being, both sides are just as bad as each other.... any attempts to write one off any worse than the other is just playing into their respective propaganda.
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