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Rep. Wilson calls Obama a liar -then shuts down his website — Brooklynian

Rep. Wilson calls Obama a liar -then shuts down his website

danielle123
danielle123
edited November -1 in The Lounge / Random Stuff
Rep Joe Wilson from SC called Obama a liar during Obama's speech (what is going on with the politicians in that state?). The Repubs condemned his outburst (Wilson apologized shortly thereafter): http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/09/09/joe.wilson/

His contributors: http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/summary.php?cid=N00024809Read

As of this posting, his website is down for "maintenance":
http://www.joewilson.house.gov/
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  • doctorj
    doctorj
    SC: there seems to be a bunch of them who are singlemindedly anti-immigration. I was spammed for years by one of them with his newsletters about his latest moves against immigrants (I'm not a citizen!) and it only stopped after I cc:d his ISPs abuse address (congress's) saying it was offensive and racist.
  • squindar
    squindar
    His opponent in 2010 is reaping the benefit of Wilson's outburst. I checked out his actblue.com page right after the speech and he had $4500 in contributions. This morning it's at $98,700 (up 2500 in the last 10 minutes)

    http://www.actblue.com/entity/fundraisers/19079
  • pokersloper
    pokersloper

    Subject: Re: Rep. Wilson calls Obama a liar -then shuts down his webs

    danielle123 wrote: Rep Joe Wilson from SC called Obama a liar during Obama's speech (what is going on with the politicians in that state?). The Repubs condemned his outburst (Wilson apologized shortly thereafter): http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/09/09/joe.wilson/
    Lame. The guy should have simply held a press conference afterwards and calmly explained why he thought Obama was not being honest or why Obama was incorrect.
  • mr. met
    mr. met
    The guy should have simply held a press conference afterwards and calmly explained why he thought Obama was not being honest or why Obama was incorrect.
    the problem is that, in order to do that, he would need to have a logical, cogent, and well-reasoned argument for why obama's plan would give health care to illegal immigrants. there is no such argument.
  • modsquad
    modsquad
    mr. met,
    The argument is that health care workers are not allowed to ask a patient if he is legal or not.
  • mr. met
    mr. met
    OBAMA: "The reforms I'm proposing would not apply to those who are here illegally." One congressman, South Carolina Republican Joe Wilson, shouted "You lie!" from his seat in the House chamber when Obama made this assertion. Wilson later apologized.

    THE FACTS: The facts back up Obama. The House version of the health care bill explicitly prohibits spending any federal money to help illegal immigrants get health care coverage. Illegal immigrants could buy private health insurance, as many do now, but wouldn't get tax subsidies to help them.
  • modsquad
    modsquad
    mr. met wrote:
    OBAMA: "The reforms I'm proposing would not apply to those who are here illegally." One congressman, South Carolina Republican Joe Wilson, shouted "You lie!" from his seat in the House chamber when Obama made this assertion. Wilson later apologized.

    THE FACTS: The facts back up Obama. The House version of the health care bill explicitly prohibits spending any federal money to help illegal immigrants get health care coverage. Illegal immigrants could buy private health insurance, as many do now, but wouldn't get tax subsidies to help them.
    Irrelevant, health care workers are not allowed to ask immigration status. Are you presuming that all illegals, wanting to be upright American citizens will volunteer their status in the emergency room.
  • mr. met
    mr. met
    Irrelevant, health care workers are not allowed to ask immigration status.
    are they allowed to ask immigrant status now?
  • pokersloper
    pokersloper
    modsquad wrote: mr. met,
    The argument is that health care workers are not allowed to ask a patient if he is legal or not.
    Interesting. I believe you, but would you have a source for this?

    Sounds like the schools. A school can’t ask if a child is a legal immigrant or not.
  • modsquad
    modsquad
    Probably not in emergency situations. With Obama's plan though they will certainly receive enhanced and preventative medical treatment.
    You can make an argument that this is the right and just thing to do, but that's not the point. You said there was no " logical, cogent, and well-reasoned argument for why obama's plan would give health care to illegal immigrants".
  • pokersloper
    pokersloper
    modsquad wrote: Probably not in emergency situations. With Obama's plan though they will certainly receive enhanced and preventative medical treatment.
    You can make an argument that this is the right and just thing to do, but that's not the point. You said there was no " logical, cogent, and well-reasoned argument for why obama's plan would give health care to illegal immigrants".
    Mod,

    Your point is well taken. There is a republican response, and, diverging Democratic responses as well. The President should be treated with respect and elected officials should explain their diverging views at the right time in a professional manner.
  • mr. met
    mr. met
    With Obama's plan though they will certainly receive enhanced and preventative medical treatment.
    there is no way to know that.
    You said there was no " logical, cogent, and well-reasoned argument for why obama's plan would give health care to illegal immigrants".
    fair enough.

    but, if some illegal immigrants get health care WHILE the tens of millions of americans who DON'T have it now are getting it, i don't really have a huge problem.
  • modsquad
    modsquad
    pokersloper wrote: [quote=modsquad]mr. met,
    The argument is that health care workers are not allowed to ask a patient if he is legal or not.
    Interesting. I believe you, but would you have a source for this?

    Sounds like the schools. A school can’t ask if a child is a legal immigrant or not.

    Seroiusly Pokersloper?
    Do you think that emergency room personal are allowed to determine the legal status of a person before they treat the gunshot wound?
    At what point in health care would they be allowed to stop giving aid? Maybe before rhinoplasty?
  • pokersloper
    pokersloper
    modsquad wrote: [quote=pokersloper][quote=modsquad]mr. met,
    The argument is that health care workers are not allowed to ask a patient if he is legal or not.
    Interesting. I believe you, but would you have a source for this?

    Sounds like the schools. A school can’t ask if a child is a legal immigrant or not.

    Seroiusly Pokersloper?
    Do you think that emergency room personal are allowed to determine the legal status of a person before they treat the gunshot wound?
    At what point in health care would they be allowed to stop giving aid? Maybe before rhinoplasty?

    Mod,

    I don't know what emergency workers can and can't do, so I asked. If you take that as insincere, then so be it.
  • mr. met
    mr. met
    in other words, i don't see illegal immigrants/immigration as a key issue in this debate.
  • modsquad
    modsquad
    mr. met wrote:
    but, if some illegal immigrants get health care WHILE the tens of millions of americans who DON'T have it now are getting it, i don't really have a huge problem.
    Well, maybe you can afford the extra tax burden. Many cannot, thus the protests against it.
    It is simplistic to label these people as crackpots and "unamerican" as some have.
  • modsquad
    modsquad
    Pokersloper,
    Sorry for the heavy hand.
  • mr. met
    mr. met
    Well, maybe you can afford the extra tax burden. Many cannot, thus the protests against it.
    1. i am not conceding that all of this abuse by illegal immigrants will actually happen. i do not believe that there will not be some control over this.

    2. that's the problem with people in this country. they know that tens of millions of their fellow americans, who they love so dearly because they love america so dearly, can't get health care. BUT, they don't want them to receive health care if there is even the slightest possibility that they will pay more taxes. not that i think the average american will pay more taxes to fund illegal immigrants, but that's the way people think. particularly conservatives. if you love this country so much, why don't you love the people in it?
  • pokersloper
    pokersloper
    modsquad wrote: Pokersloper,
    Sorry for the heavy hand.
    thank you.
  • julius orange
    julius orange
    It's because Rep. Wilson is a joint venture subsidiary between Pfizer and Aetna.
  • puply
    puply
    Millions of H1B visa holders have worked and work in this country since the program was established. They do pay Social Security, Medicare and other taxes, but cannot ask for the benefits. The majority leave the country. That is a huge amount of money that goes to benefit Americans.

    The "illegal aliens" most republicans love to hate also pay these and other taxes, be it with false SS numbers or by simply buying something at a store.

    Wilson is a crackpot and is unamerican, yes. Not only because of the outburst of yesterday (no one did the same for the proven LiAR that is Bush, respect of the office winning), but because, like so many other republicans, he caters to the worst prejudiced line among the people.
  • mr. met
    mr. met
    like so many other republicans, he caters to the worst prejudiced line among the people.
    like good ole bill maher says, if you are a racist, you are probably a republican.
  • boygabriel
    boygabriel
    puply wrote: The "illegal aliens" most republicans love to hate also pay these and other taxes, be it with false SS numbers or by simply buying something at a store.
    ^ ^ ^ the truth most anti-immigration demagogues can't handle.
  • modsquad
    modsquad
    Mr. met, I was responding to the snickering attitude of many on this blog that Obama can do no wrong and specifically that there is no reasonable argument against his plan. Did I miss the thread on Reid and Pelosi regarding their stupid statements and/or hypocrisy?
  • pokersloper
    pokersloper
    mr. met wrote:
    like so many other republicans, he caters to the worst prejudiced line among the people.
    like good ole bill maher says, if you are a racist, you are probably a republican.
    good ole Bill Maher also says things like, 'If you are a wimp, you are probably a Democrat.' Maher is more critical of the democrats then just about anyone. Maher is an entertainer, but he is smart and hits a lot of nuance that others miss. His health care show with two Georgia republicans and Huffington was fantastic.
  • doctorj
    doctorj
    modsquad wrote: [quote=mr. met]
    but, if some illegal immigrants get health care WHILE the tens of millions of americans who DON'T have it now are getting it, i don't really have a huge problem.
    Well, maybe you can afford the extra tax burden. Many cannot, thus the protests against it.

    Surely expanding primary coverage to immigrants and encouraging them to take out insurance would reduce total cost and ultimately increase your disposable income, since the current regime, where they use the emergency room only, is the most expensive solution, and diverts resources from efficiently treating emergencies.
  • mr. met
    mr. met
    good ole Bill Maher also says things like, 'If you are a wimp, you are probably a Democrat.' Maher is more critical of the democrats then just about anyone. Maher is an entertainer, but he is smart and hits a lot of nuance that others miss. His health care show with two Georgia republicans and Huffington was fantastic.
    i know. i watch his show.
  • pokersloper
    pokersloper
    mr. met wrote:
    good ole Bill Maher also says things like, 'If you are a wimp, you are probably a Democrat.' Maher is more critical of the democrats then just about anyone. Maher is an entertainer, but he is smart and hits a lot of nuance that others miss. His health care show with two Georgia republicans and Huffington was fantastic.
    i know. i watch his show.
    I watch his show too. I wish he would get Tony Blankly or Newt Gingrich on - Maher handles smart republicans well.
  • modsquad
    modsquad
    I gotta go to work and therefore I'm cashing in.
    I know, don't let the door hit me on the way out!
  • pokersloper
    pokersloper
    modsquad wrote: Mr. met, I was responding to the snickering attitude of many on this blog that Obama can do no wrong and specifically that there is no reasonable argument against his plan. Did I miss the thread on Reid and Pelosi regarding their stupid statements and/or hypocrisy?
    Funny.
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