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modsquad wrote: Srsly, Carnivore, Throwing up someone's cartoon of some extreme behavior by ultra conservatives hardly advances any argument against Americans who have honest objections as to where this Country is going.
It does play to the snickering Brooklynian masses in need of soothing their liberal guilt however.
Oh, and it also gets me going in the morning too.

Carnivore wrote: [quote=modsquad]Srsly, Carnivore, Throwing up someone's cartoon of some extreme behavior by ultra conservatives hardly advances any argument against Americans who have honest objections as to where this Country is going.
It does play to the snickering Brooklynian masses in need of soothing their liberal guilt however.
Oh, and it also gets me going in the morning too.

pokersloper wrote: I think that is the point. When you pretend that all conservative and moderate thought is extreme, you create a situation in which you don't have to consider how other people think. To simplify it, when a person paints the average conservative as a devil, then that person can cling more fully to the beliefs and ideas they are bringing with them.

A few months back I was at a dinner party and someone brought up torture. I mentioned that limited uses of torture in ticking bomb situations should be discussed. The college professor sitting across from me responded, "That is a fascist view." By calling me a fascist, he created a situation in which he no longer had to think. It feels like Carnivore just did a similar thing. She posts a cartoon that represents the devil view or extreme far right view of conservatives which probably allows her to block out and ignore thoughtful and challenging moderate and conservative positions.

Carnivore wrote: [quote=pokersloper]I think that is the point. When you pretend that all conservative and moderate thought is extreme, you create a situation in which you don't have to consider how other people think. To simplify it, when a person paints the average conservative as a devil, then that person can cling more fully to the beliefs and ideas they are bringing with them.

A few months back I was at a dinner party and someone brought up torture. I mentioned that limited uses of torture in ticking bomb situations should be discussed. The college professor sitting across from me responded, "That is a fascist view." By calling me a fascist, he created a situation in which he no longer had to think. It feels like Carnivore just did a similar thing. She posts a cartoon that represents the devil view or extreme far right view of conservatives which probably allows her to block out and ignore thoughtful and challenging moderate and conservative positions.

Carnivore wrote: [quote=modsquad]You posted the cartoon this morning above the gun freaks. You have chosen the face of the Republican Party you wish to fight. A bit like shooting fish is a barrel?

modsquad wrote: [quote=Carnivore]

Again, I did not pick that face the Republican party- the Republicans themselves did. All of the prominent media figures within the party represent this extreme position, and although some of them have spoken out against Glenn Beck (the nutjob among nutjobs), the same can't be said of O'Reilly, Limbaugh, Scarborough, etc.

Liberals didn't create these caricatures, they created themselves, and are celebrated within the Republican party.

pokersloper wrote: No Carnivore,

You have chosen the worst of the worst as your republican representation. The WSJ, the Weekly Standards, many NPR programs accurately represent the face of the republican party. You look for the worst and your found it - congratulations. For the record, I would never hold up the worst of the left (lets say Mother Jones) and say, "This is the face of liberalism." Carnivore, you are not interested in discussion, you are interested in stereotypes and rhetoric.

pokersloper wrote: [quote=Carnivore][quote=pokersloper]No Carnivore,

You have chosen the worst of the worst as your republican representation. The WSJ, the Weekly Standards, many NPR programs accurately represent the face of the republican party. You look for the worst and your found it - congratulations. For the record, I would never hold up the worst of the left (lets say Mother Jones) and say, "This is the face of liberalism." Carnivore, you are not interested in discussion, you are interested in stereotypes and rhetoric.

modsquad wrote: Carnivore, I can't imagine how you can lump Joe Scarborough in with Rush Limbaugh.
Better start thinking analog instead of digital.

pokersloper wrote: And by missing my point completely Carnivore, you have proven how incapable you are of stepping back and considering your views. I brought up Wright to point out that stereotyping and looking for the "gotcha" moment doesn't get us very far. Instead, you see the name Wright written and just assume I talk politics the way you do - with stereotypes and misleading comments. You can discuss politics that way and refuse to consider fairly my views, clearly that is your style.

pokersloper wrote: The same way that Obama has been friendly with former terrorists, Rev. Wright and others on the loony left, certainly there are folks on the right who have been friendly with right wing scumbags.

pokersloper wrote: I worked with a teacher (now a principal) who refused to walk into a classroom teaching the holocaust because she felt the holocaust didn't happen. Her view was that discussing the holocaust was a way to ignore the plight of the Palestinians. She is a democrat. If I were Carnivore, I would say, "The face of the democratic party is this person." But no, I try and keep it fair. I try not to pick out the extreme left and present them as the face of the democratic party. What good could that possible due?