Immature Neighbors
My husband & I live on the top floor of a walk-up. We have a shopping cart (a granny cart) & a box filled with misc. stuff lying under the ladder going up to the roof. The couple across the hall from us have been giving us a hard time about out stuff. They leave moronic post-its on our door asking us to romove our things away from ‘the front of their door.’ This morning I woke up to garbage bags ON TOP of our things. How immature can these people be?
Now here’s my problem… how is our box any different from a bicycle chained to a railing? They have leased the araptment, not the passage way. I understand if the box was in any way in their way, but this box is under the ladder and in no way in their path.
Would appreciate any advice in dealing with these people.
Now here’s my problem… how is our box any different from a bicycle chained to a railing? They have leased the araptment, not the passage way. I understand if the box was in any way in their way, but this box is under the ladder and in no way in their path.
Would appreciate any advice in dealing with these people.
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It's a tough call, really, but assuming the stuff is as unobtrusive as you claim, I'd probably ignore it so that you wouldn't mind dealing with some of my crap if I ever needed to keep it there.
I reckon their point of view is that you don't rent the hall either and they don't understand why your stuff isn't in your apartment.
As for why bicycles seem to be exempt from these considerations, I have no idea. There was a guy on our sixth floor who insisted on keeping them in the hallway (sans locks) until someone clipped 'em. PWNED. -
I'm sorry to say this, but I would be annoyed if I lived next to you. Why do you get to keep your stuff in the hallway? Even if it's not in anyone's way, why should they have to look at it?
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In a building that I lived in years ago, a guy used to keep his bicycle in the hallway, unlocked. One day it got stolen, and he proceeded to post an angry note on the front door ranting about how expensive his bike had been and beseeching everyone to not let strangers into the building. My first thought was, if the bike was so expensive, then why the hell didn't you keep it in your apartment or lock it?
It's tough to feel sorry for some people. -
Subject: Re: Immature Neighbors
Dina wrote: They leave moronic post-its on our door asking us to romove our things away from ‘the front of their door.’ This morning I woke up to garbage bags ON TOP of our things. How immature can these people be?
Is their apartment door in front of where you keep the cart and box? And do you have a small entryway in front of your door? -
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stacey wrote: [quote=Dina]They leave moronic post-its on our door asking us to romove our things away from ‘the front of their door.’ This morning I woke up to garbage bags ON TOP of our things. How immature can these people be?
Is their apartment door in front of where you keep the cart and box? And do you have a small entryway in front of your door?
No. The roof ladder is on their side of the floor, but it is in no way in front of their door. I have no entryway in front of my door. -
Subject: Re: Immature Neighbors
Any lawyers out there... what does the law say about this situation?Dina wrote: My husband & I live on the top floor of a walk-up. We have a shopping cart (a granny cart) & a box filled with misc. stuff lying under the ladder going up to the roof. The couple across the hall from us have been giving us a hard time about out stuff. They leave moronic post-its on our door asking us to romove our things away from ‘the front of their door.’ This morning I woke up to garbage bags ON TOP of our things. How immature can these people be?
Now here’s my problem… how is our box any different from a bicycle chained to a railing? They have leased the araptment, not the passage way. I understand if the box was in any way in their way, but this box is under the ladder and in no way in their path.
Would appreciate any advice in dealing with these people. -
Get your shit out of the hall. Surely you can find a space for the granny cart and box.
Yes, they're going about it in a stupid way, but people shouldn't have to see your shit in the hallway if they either live on the same floor or above you. -
Subject: HAllway stuff = NG
Fire hazard, for one. Especially at an important point of egress [the ladder to the roof is a prime example)
NOTHING should be in the hallways, it violates building and fire codes.
I've seen enough aftermath of fires with people leaving so much crap [carts, plants, strollers, bikes] in the halls ...
DANGEROUS. -
Subject: Re: Immature Neighbors
Anonymous wrote: Any lawyers out there... what does the law say about this situation?
If it's a rental building, the landlord gets to make the rules about whether you can keep your stuff in the hallway. Actually, it's probably a fire code violation anyway.
I agree with Flexi -- get your stuff out of the hall. If it doesn't fit in your apartment, pay for storage space or better yet, throw it away. It's not fair to your neighbors to let your clutter overflow into public areas of the building. -
Subject: Re: Immature Neighbors
Anonymous wrote: Any lawyers out there... what does the law say about this situation?
fire marshall here
your stuff in the hall is a violation
people work out all sorts of deals with their neighbors,
but it's all up to your negotiation and, well, people skillz and you've obviously got a bad start.
Do they keep a bike in the hall? Work from there. I get X, you get Y, is everybody happy?
But if you just want to colonize the hall, and they don't want you to for whatever reason . . . too bad for you, they are in the right.
Perhaps they need the space to move their bikes, or their bugaboo, in and out . . .
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It's simple good neighborly etiquette to not claim ownership of public space in an apartment building. They have has much right to complain as they want to.
I have a neighbor who recenly had a baby and lives at the top of a 5 floor walk-up. She literally asked permission of everyone in the building to leave her stroller in the common space by the mail boxes. And she got OK's from everybody.
A granny cart may be permissionable, a box of "misc stuff" - give me a break!
You don't need a lawyer for this one - just common sense. -
Subject: Re: Immature Neighbors
Dina wrote: This morning I woke up to garbage bags ON TOP of our things. How immature can these people be?
Pretty immature it seems. May I suggest the following mature and adult response:
1. Wait until you know they are home;
2. Place a paper bag full of dog shit in their doorway;
3. light the bag on fire;
4. Ring the door bell;
5. Run into your apartment and witness the resulting hillarity through your peephole.
Have fun!
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Neighbors may be immature, but they are totally right. If you want to use a common area as your personal storage space, it needs to be with the consent of the co-op. Which if they have any sense they will withhold, for all the reasons given above.
A mature neighbor, by the way, would have asked before putting the crap out there in the first place. -
Tell them to get a life!! Obviously they have too much time on their hands. Call the cops if the fail to respect your property.
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I think they are being pretty petty but you really are not allowed to keep stuff in the common hall. It is a fire code violation. I somehow don't thinkn they are concerned about their emergency exit and just are irked by your stuff. Personally I would remove the box and keep the granny cart since people leave bikes and strollers in the hall. It seems there is a precedence for things with wheels being left in common areas. I am sure if you are direct with them and say "Hey I am removing my box of stuff but we would like to keep the cart for shopping out in the hall. " I bet they will be amenable. People back down on their complaints pretty quickly when confronted in person and met halfway. It is better to get along with your neighbor than store one lousy box in the hall
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Now I don't think you are necessarily right, but you could always pretend to make nice and then leave an upper decker when they invite you over for a party or something.
That would be some nice pwnage. -
Drano wrote: Now I don't think you are necessarily right, but you could always pretend to make nice and then leave an upper decker when they invite you over for a party or something.
Never pass up an opportunity for a justified upper-decking! :twisted:
That would be some nice pwnage. -
Drano wrote: Now I don't think you are necessarily right, but you could always pretend to make nice and then leave an upper decker when they invite you over for a party or something.
seriously whats up with this site and the whole updecker thing lol. been suggested soooooooooooooo many times.
That would be some nice pwnage. -
armchair_warrior wrote: seriously whats up with this site and the whole updecker thing lol. been suggested soooooooooooooo many times.
What about the beef stew surprise don't you find hilarious?! -
WhyFi wrote: [quote=armchair_warrior]seriously whats up with this site and the whole updecker thing lol. been suggested soooooooooooooo many times.
What about the beef stew surprise don't you find hilarious?!i just dont see the potty humor thing here. though i'm a huge fan of south park. -
keep your sh*t to yourself or go live in a dorm or commune or something. all people want is to not have to look at your crap every day. you even admit it's on "their side of the floor". whose the party who needs to grow-up here?
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I find it ironic that most of the people who have responded about Dina’s immaturity sound like foul mouthed teens themselves. Take a look at yourself before you judge someone else.
Anonymous wrote: keep your sh*t to yourself or go live in a dorm or commune or something. all people want is to not have to look at your crap every day. you even admit it's on "their side of the floor". whose the party who needs to grow-up here?
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Anonymous wrote: I find it ironic that most of the people who have responded about Dina’s immaturity sound like foul mouthed teens themselves. Take a look at yourself before you judge someone else.
I find it funny that you're talking about yourself in the third-person. -
daniel wrote: [quote=Anonymous]I find it ironic that most of the people who have responded about Dina’s immaturity sound like foul mouthed teens themselves. Take a look at yourself before you judge someone else.
I find it funny that you're talking about yourself in the third-person.
ooo Dina is busted! -
[quote="Anonymous"]I find it ironic that most of the people who have responded about Dina’s immaturity sound like foul mouthed teens themselves. Take a look at yourself before you judge someone else.
A fondness for "foul language" does not equal immaturity. It's just the way some people speak (myself included, at times).
Making a comment like that as a Guest with no identifying information....well, that seems a bit immature to me. -
It's in the common area, near their door. They may like a neat entrance way, it may be taking away from the feng shui, or maybe they just don't want to see their neighbors things in the common area. You should remove it ASAP.
They may have left you notes to avoid a confrontation or nastiness, not to be jerks. Some people don't know how to handle face-to-face conversations about this kind of stuff and figure the best way is to do it via notes. If you're interested in having a civil relationship with the neighbors, knock on their door, apologize and indicate that you removed it. -
Anonymous wrote: It's in the common area, near their door. They may like a neat entrance way, it may be taking away from the feng shui, or maybe they just don't want to see their neighbors things in the common area. You should remove it ASAP.
This was my post, btw. got logged out.
They may have left you notes to avoid a confrontation or nastiness, not to be jerks. Some people don't know how to handle face-to-face conversations about this kind of stuff and figure the best way is to do it via notes. If you're interested in having a civil relationship with the neighbors, knock on their door, apologize and indicate that you removed it. -
it is, actually, a fire code violation. that's the only way we got our psycho tenants to move their bags of crap from the hall.
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It would be pretty easy to install 2 hooks inside a closet and hang up your folded-up granny cart inside the closet. I do that in my place, and it works as easy as anything. Plus, it has the added bonus of making me work at keeping the entryway closet clear enough to pull the cart out when I need it.
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How does one go about reporting a fire code violation? There's what seems like a small fleet of strollers parked in the entryway to my building.
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