that party space by ripple

The cops were there last night. I don't think that you were the only one that complained. These two though ladie cops told them to close the doors and keep the sound in. NY's finest hard at work...

What was the scary situation? You said it was a noise complaint - 911 is for emergencies. If 311 isn't doing it for you, call the local precinct. But tying up a 911 operator because people are loud is stupid, and why they started 311.

Here's your problem:


YOU CALLED 911 ON A NOISE COMPLAINT.





If you can't see what's wrong with that, you are a moron.

I think that any person who is pushed in by another person or persons is entitled to call 911. The race of either party is irrelevant.

Hey Tony and Devin - stop trying to be intimidating - you can make a point without calling people a moron or belittling their fears -

You know, and if I'm being harsh, it's for two reasons:

one, you're misusing 911. That's serious and stupid.

Two, you boast about calling the cops on protesters who were "blocking the sidewalk." Oh my goodness, what a problem that must have been for you. Give me convenience or give me death, I guess.

Sorry, Stacey, I call em like I see em. Calling 911 for a noise complaint is stupid and irresposible.

You got threatened or hurt or you need to report some other violent activity? Sure, be my guest, 911 is the place to call for urgent police reporting. Calling for a noise complaint, something she said was the subject of her first call, is just ridiculous.

alafairnadia wrote: [quote=devincf][quote=Jack Krohn]I think that any person who is pushed in by another person or persons is entitled to call 911. The race of either party is irrelevant.

Every night? The pushing in did not occur the night when she called in a noise complaint to 911.

As for the race issue - why is this being intimidating? This looks like a classic race issue - if you had a problem with a patron at Soda, would you assume all patrons at Soda were going to be a problem? No, of course not. But you have problems with people from this space, and you assume all people from this space will be a problem.

As for using open containers as any sort of argument point - please. I hope you have 911 fully alerted to the open wine bottles when there's music in Prospect Park. Open container is a bullshit law that is aimed at giving cops a reason to hassle people.

The thing is that even in the better explained post you come across like a hysterical crybaby. Lock you doors indeed.

I don't complain every time they have a party there, so no, I don't assume all of the patrons of that space are problematic.

race? I still don't see your argument. maybe it's your problem.

I don't think I'm a hysterical crybaby. violence against women and children is very scary. when I am witnessing it, I think it's something that should be reported to the police. I'm guessing, since my call was initially rerouted to 311, but was responded to very quickly according to a post above, my further comments re-elevated my call to a 911 issue. I should hope so. if I were, either because I was attending a party or walking home and caught up in a crowd, the victim of such violence, I would hope the police would deem my situation an emergency.

Also, I call massive bullshit on you. You talked about open containers and vehicles in the first post, and with every post you embellish. I can't wait until they're shooting AKs into the sky and wiring dynamite to the Brooklyn Bridge in a future post.

I heard they were allowed to park illegally in front of the police station!

1) You weren't there.

2) It was a judgement call, she felt that it was the best course of action. We're not talking about Barry Bonds' slugging percentage in 2002 - there is no definite right or wrong, so stop being a prick.

devincf wrote: There is a right and a wrong when it comes to calling 911. It is wrong to call it for a noise complaint.

And her first post shows the truth - if there was "violence" happening, how did it not get mentioned right up front? It's like describing 9/11 as "There was a fire at the Twin Towers." You're telling me that people were acting violent in front of her building and all she mentions is open containers?

This is your opinion based upon your assumption.

devincf wrote: I appreciate that you guys are neighborhood busybody buddies, but give me a break. She's adding drama to every post about the event.

Disagree with people if you'd like, that's fine; my beef with you is A) the "My Compass Always Points North" attitude that you project and the fact that you don't have the balls to have these discussions, with said attitude, in person.

Believe it or not, there are situations where there isn't a clear line between right and wrong. Believe it or not, you're not always right. If you do happen to be right (which I, again, not conceding in this case), you don't have to be a prick.

devincf wrote: There is a right and a wrong when it comes to calling 911. It is wrong to call it for a noise complaint.

I find you to be misinformed, in addition to being extremely hostile and uncivil to alafairnadia, for reasons that are best known to you.

I have, several times in the past, called 311 about noise issues (car alarms, mostly) and been told--at different times by different 311 operators, mind--to call 911. According to those people, 311 can't help after hours, and they can only really help with something that is ongoing/predictable. For something that is happening right now, I was told, 911 is the number to call. When I expressed skepticism (the first time an 311 operator told me this), the operator stressed that calling 911 was the thing to do.

The idea that calling 911 for things that aren't "big enough emergencies" is bad seems predicated on the belief that 911 doesn't have enough operators for its call volume, so calling 911 for more trivial matters is preventing help from getting to people who need it more. I don't see any evidence that that's true.

alafairnadia wrote: as I said in my ... 3rd post ... the first post was very disorganized/confused/irritated. no add'l drama being added. the series of events, should you care, was:

I heard noise. I was on my sofa. it continued past midnight. I, wrongly, called 911 to make a complaint about the noise. I was transferred to 311. I got up from the sofa to figure out the building number of the noisy spot. I looked out of my window. I saw the more 911-worthy activities at that point. I reported them all to the 311 operator.

so, you're admitting defeat here. you're AGREEING that calling 911 for noise was wrong.

okay, information first:

i checked out the nypd website, and they advocate calling the precinct (note: not 311) for noise complaints. they also advocate using 911 for "anything requiring immediate attention", so, while calling the precinct is the best choice, it seems like 911 be a better 2nd choice than calling 311, which isn't built for quick response.

now opinion:

calling 911 is, of course, not for fun and games, but for heaven's sake, it's not like it's just one guy on a phone with no call waiting, and you're tying up the line while babies die. they are perfectly capable of determining whether a call should be turfed or responded to. and same thing with the police in general. there's no reason the police can't drive over to check out a noise compaint and leave if there's a sudden exploding baby situation elsewhere. that's why they have radios. someone over there understands triage, i'm sure of it.

and those of you who are taking out some kind of childhood injury or insecurity on alafairnadia, well, i hope you have a better day tomorrow.

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