Atlantic Yards Clears Final Hurdle
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Capt. Planet wrote: [quote=Ishtar]If Capt. Planet didn't have so many posts I would think he were trolling for Ratner. All that you listed only shows that he spent years building connections and positioning himself to be the first in line for government handouts. Not really like the rest of us.
Cynic!
You say that like it's an insult.Capt. Planet wrote: You've got to believe...
Rube! -
Capt. Planet wrote:
I wear that badge proudly. :P
Cynic! -
Ishtar wrote: If Capt. Planet didn't have so many posts I would think he were trolling for Ratner. All that you listed only shows that he spent years building connections and positioning himself to be the first in line for government handouts. Not really like the rest of us.
Plus you didn't answer my question: what is your big dream for Brooklyn? -
Capt. Planet wrote: These are real numbers that were once considered valid. Since the housing slump, of course, nobody knows what can actually be built
not those 2007 pr "magic numbers" that they cobbled together
because they had a court date
"real" numbers that are attached to an actual development plan -
Capt. Planet wrote: [quote=Ishtar]If Capt. Planet didn't have so many posts I would think he were trolling for Ratner. All that you listed only shows that he spent years building connections and positioning himself to be the first in line for government handouts. Not really like the rest of us.
Plus you didn't answer my question: what is your big dream for Brooklyn?
i don't think it involves a failing new jersey basketball team
being forced onto brooklyn -
Capt. Planet wrote: [quote=Ishtar]If we aren't Manhattan then why are "we" so gung ho on trying to bring the types of things commonly found there to Brooklyn? Many people continue to choose to live here because of the neighborhood/small scale character it provides. No need to bring an awful NBA franchise to an equally awful arena.
As Reuben Dario, national poet of Nicaragua, once put it "Nicaragua is a small country so we have to have a big dream"
What's your big dream for Brooklyn?
Brooklyn IS the dream!
You want Brooklyn basketball - build a bunch of open air courts and watch the pick up games. Now that's Brooklyn. -
stacey wrote: [quote=Capt. Planet][quote=Ishtar]If we aren't Manhattan then why are "we" so gung ho on trying to bring the types of things commonly found there to Brooklyn? Many people continue to choose to live here because of the neighborhood/small scale character it provides. No need to bring an awful NBA franchise to an equally awful arena.
As Reuben Dario, national poet of Nicaragua, once put it "Nicaragua is a small country so we have to have a big dream"
What's your big dream for Brooklyn?
Brooklyn IS the dream!
You want Brooklyn basketball - build a bunch of open air courts and watch the pick up games. Now that's Brooklyn.
Check out any flat open space with a basketball hoop in northern Brooklyn. There's scores of them and they're filled every daylight hour with kids playing BB. Here's your personal invite to check our Brower Park any summer day. Your dream is reality!!!
So where do we go from here? Is there any, or should we just stop and go have a latte? -
Subject: a brooklyn dream or nigthmare
i leave this topic with a summary (laundry day)
"What does prospect heights want?"
some share your nets dream, most in porpsect heights do not
prospect heights is a neighborhood that has come up on it's own
shops, bars restaurants, places to live...
all here live in the shadow of destruction of these from an outside developer
as our boys upstate claim this is for our "betterment"
in light of this recent article...
"Court Deals a Blow to Columbia’s Expansion Plans"
http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/12/03/court-rules-against-columbia-university/?emc=na
ay leaves me with the dirtiest, filthiest, feeling of an unclean hand
touching my hair
it casts a greater doubt about how our courts really work
what marriage has our upstate boys arranged for prospect heights?
mz. brooklyn... are we now conjugally involved with a mail order stranger?
as one who lives in prospect heights
it reminds me that when someone says
that brooklyn needs a sports team to give us "hope"
that someone has always thought of us as being "hopeless"
one should never accept a backhanded compliment -
Hey, guys, like it or not, Prospect Heights, your n'hood, is situated atop the 3rd largest mass transit hub in NYC. As such it has strategic value that transends the immediate wants and needs of those situated in a 20 block radius.
Atlantic Terminal serivces the entire boro, just as the Brooklyn Nets will. So this is not just about you, sorry to say, but the entire boro.
I can appreciate that many in the immediate proximity of Atlantic Yards will not welcome the disuption that an 18,000 seat stadium will bring. No more than the folks in Normandy liked the idea of 100,000's of soldiers trooping across their beaches during WWII. But imagine that most of the Normands at least appreciated that it was all for a greater good.
It seems the reality that Prospect Heights may be benefiting folks in Brighton Beach and East New York has yet to settle in the minds of most Prospect Heighters.
Or maybe the concept of a greater good is just passe.
I hope it's not the latter, for all of our sakes. -
Capt. Planet wrote: I can appreciate that many in the immediate proximity of Atlantic Yards will not welcome the disuption that an 18,000 seat stadium will bring. No more than the folks in Normandy liked the idea of 100,000's of soldiers trooping across their beaches during WWII. But imagine that most of the Normands at least appreciated that it was all for a greater good.
Wait, I know this thread.
It ends with Hitler, right?
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exactly.
I'm sure everyone in Prospect Heights would welcome Atlantic Yards if it was to kill Hitler.
...but many people seem to not believe there is a Hitler to kill in this instance.
(and this post comes from someone who is not opposed to AY) -
That, and the boots marching through here would be Uggs, of course.
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One side will claim u-boats were represented by Develop Don't Destroy, and repeatedly sank the Allied forces (Ratner), only to be ultimately overcome by superior forces (capitalism).
The other side will state, "No, U-Boats are represented by Ratners lawyers, and repeatedly sank DDD, including the court system."
Me? I am kinda interested in the professional bull riders appearance in Brooklyn. -
whynot_31 wrote: Me? I am kinda interested in the professional bull riders appearance in Brooklyn.
Wasn't there going to be some kind of bar on Vanderbilt for that? -
yea, that was a while ago. The recession seems to have sobered folks up though.
...besides, I'm interested in the "professional" aspect, not the drunken "this sounds alike a great idea" aspect.
My curiousity alone should be plenty of justification for imminent domain. -
Capt. Planet wrote: Hey, guys, like it or not, Prospect Heights, your n'hood, is situated atop the 3rd largest mass transit hub in NYC. As such it has strategic value that transends the immediate wants and needs of those situated in a 20 block radius.
Atlantic Terminal serivces the entire boro, just as the Brooklyn Nets will. So this is not just about you, sorry to say, but the entire boro.
I can appreciate that many in the immediate proximity of Atlantic Yards will not welcome the disuption that an 18,000 seat stadium will bring. No more than the folks in Normandy liked the idea of 100,000's of soldiers trooping across their beaches during WWII. But imagine that most of the Normands at least appreciated that it was all for a greater good.
It seems the reality that Prospect Heights may be benefiting folks in Brighton Beach and East New York has yet to settle in the minds of most Prospect Heighters.
Or maybe the concept of a greater good is just passe.
I hope it's not the latter, for all of our sakes.
You sound like a Robert Moses fan. And you totally Godwin'd this thread.
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whynot_31 wrote:
One of my best friends is REALLY into PBR. She even knows the stats of the bulls. I've been invited to the garden to watch up close and personal, but I've never gotten the will to go. All that to say, I may know someone willing to accompany you if Ms. Whynot passes on Brooklyn PBR
Me? I am kinda interested in the professional bull riders appearance in Brooklyn. -
...thanks.
its true, Mrs Whynot the vegetarian isn't into PBR. -
jeffrey wrote: [quote=Capt. Planet]I can appreciate that many in the immediate proximity of Atlantic Yards will not welcome the disuption that an 18,000 seat stadium will bring. No more than the folks in Normandy liked the idea of 100,000's of soldiers trooping across their beaches during WWII. But imagine that most of the Normands at least appreciated that it was all for a greater good.
Wait, I know this thread.
It ends with Hitler, right?
It began with Hitler. He died and the rest, as they say, is history. -
stacey wrote:
Yep
Brooklyn IS the dream!
You want Brooklyn basketball - build a bunch of open air courts and watch the pick up games. Now that's Brooklyn.
For all its problems Brooklyn is all about the people and the conditions that create them
It's a very interesting place, and really doesn't need the added complexity of a stadium like this.
What are the pros to this?
- Some employment
- Uptick in real estate value (dubious at best. I would see it more as speculation than people in BK actually wanting to live close to the stadium)
- High profile arena
What are the cons?
- Possible straw to break 4/5 line's back during game days (though I can't imagine Nets viewership being that significant)
- Possible pushing out of local businesses & people due to higher rents/property costs
- Unimaginable road congestion
Etc
There's just no need for it... I'd rather that $$$ be put into affordable housing or stuff the neighborhood actually needs -
Cool The Kid wrote: [quote=stacey]
Yep
Brooklyn IS the dream!
You want Brooklyn basketball - build a bunch of open air courts and watch the pick up games. Now that's Brooklyn.
For all its problems Brooklyn is all about the people and the conditions that create them
It's a very interesting place, and really doesn't need the added complexity of a stadium like this.
What are the pros to this?
- Some employment
- Uptick in real estate value (dubious at best. I would see it more as speculation than people in BK actually wanting to live close to the stadium)
- High profile arena
What are the cons?
- Possible straw to break 4/5 line's back during game days (though I can't imagine Nets viewership being that significant)
- Possible pushing out of local businesses & people due to higher rents/property costs
- Unimaginable road congestion
Etc
There's just no need for it... I'd rather that $$$ be put into affordable housing or stuff the neighborhood actually needs
ON a final note, this ain't just about you jack. The stadium is a regional facility, designed to draw people from the entire borough.
Crawl out of your fox hole and sniff the air. It isn't all bad sometimes. -
for shame captain planet
you've repeatedly asked a community what it wanted or did not want
yet you did not listen when we spoke
instead your bruised feelings
fuel pr driven insults
as to how ignorant you feel we are
for not sharing in your brilliant vision of the future
you
as one who claims community development and concern
fail to see that what you actually have is what we have
just another opinion -
Capt. Planet wrote:
I don't even travel through or go to Atlantic Terminal mall, and I have both a bike and a car. As it is now it's too much of a hassle for me and I'm only on Nostrand. So really, it doesn't affect me personally one way or another.
ON a final note, this ain't just about you jack. The stadium is a regional facility, designed to draw people from the entire borough.
Crawl out of your fox hole and sniff the air. It isn't all bad sometimes.
Aside from Ratner & Co, the few extra people who will be employed (who may or may not even be from BK) and the govt agencies who will collect taxes who else do you think who else do you think will benefit from this? What good will this bring to Brooklyn on a broad scale? -
Capt. Planet wrote: ON a final note, this ain't just about you jack. The stadium is a regional facility, designed to draw people from the entire borough.
A classic Robert Moses argument, as he put major highways down through small residential communities and destroyed them. The city has seen this type of arrogance before, and suffered for it, but survived it, although many communities did not. You think you know what is best for others, but don't act like you speak for them. Most people aren't in favor of this huge government giveaway to enrich a private individual in a time of economic crisis.
Crawl out of your fox hole and sniff the air. It isn't all bad sometimes. -
Cool The Kid wrote: Aside from Ratner & Co, the few extra people who will be employed (who may or may not even be from BK) and the govt agencies who will collect taxes who else do you think who else do you think will benefit from this? What good will this bring to Brooklyn on a broad scale?
The taxes will be more than offset by the government subsidies to the project (not least of which includes the bargain basement discount price he got for the property itself, substantially lower than other bids). It is a money LOSER for the city in the long term. Don't let supporters of the project fool you on this.
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