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binatang · December 2009

I just read this sad story in the Times. I live on Park Place in Crown Heights. Does anyone know where this happened?

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/24/nyregion/24girl.html?hp

Detectives Investigate Death of Girl, 3, Found in Snow

By AL BAKER
Published: December 23, 2009

Detectives are investigating the death of a 3-year old girl found face down in the snow early Wednesday morning in the Crown Heights neighborhood of Brooklyn.

The child, identified as Kyrah Martin, was discovered at about 1:15 a.m. in front of her home on Park Place after police responded to a 9-1-1 call, reporting an unconscious child on the ground. The officers who responded to the call found Kyrah face down in the snow and said she had injuries consistent with a fall, the police said. Paramedics from the emergency medical service responded, and took the child to Kings County Hospital Center, where she was pronounced dead at about 1:40 a.m., the police said.

Detectives went door to door in the apartment building and located one of Kyrah’s parents, and that allowed them to identify her properly.

The detectives are investigating how the girl fell into the snow and whether she fell from the roof or a window.

whynot_31 · December 2009

1517 Park Pl
http://www.myfoxny.com/dpp/news/local_news/brooklyn/091223-child-found-dead-face-down-in-snow

jeffrey · December 2009

So sad.

1517 Park Place near the corner of New York Avenue.

That's the address given in various media reports:

NY Post
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/brooklyn/girl_found_dead_in_brooklyn_snow_bz8JQyGv8ZBnfTj3zxWUTK

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laura b · December 2009

I read that Times article earlier today, then wished I could un-read it. Depressing and heartbreaking.

xlizellx · December 2009

that is so sad.

whatchuwant · December 2009

Laura B wrote: I read that Times article earlier today, then wished I could un-read it. Depressing and heartbreaking.

+1

capt. planet · January 2010

Please, 1517 Park Place is nowhere near New York Avenue. The correct cross streets are Buffalo and Rochester. 903 Park Place is on the NW corner of NY. A big difference, and why lumping everything from Washington Ave to Ralph Avenue into "North Crown Heights" isn't very helpful.

jeffrey · January 2010

First, take a deep breath.

Quoth teh Google:

Simple mistake, appeared to be a reliable source.

capt. planet · January 2010

Simple mistake unless you happen to live on Park Place between Nostrand and New York. The disturbing thing to me is that no one on the Brooklynian bulletin board questioned that 1517 Park Place was near New York Avenue. I guess that NY Avenue is just someplace "out there" in Crown Heights for most folks.

xlizellx · January 2010

disturbing? i would have no idea where that address was except that it's not on my block. why is that disturbing? wherever it happened it is a major tragedy, regardless of the block.

snowboardqueen · January 2010

Capt. Planet, perhaps most people on the Crown Heights board are relatively new to this area and that is why the mistake happened.

I interviewed the charming lady who lives in 903, the huge house at the NW corner of Park and NY Ave for a documentary a few months ago and I still was not sure if the incident was on her block or not.

And I live a few blocks from NY and Park and was not sure. I'm new to the neighborhood and am still learning it as most people new to any neighborhood will be.

capt. planet · January 2010

All I'm saying is that if a n'hood is to have a sense of self-identity, it should be small enough that people at least have a sense of what's going on there and where it's boundaries are.
Washington and Park Place has about as much connection to Rochester and Park as Venus does to Pluto. The latter area would more realistically be called Weeksville or maybe Ocean-Hill. The former, well, I won't go there, but you know what I'm thinking....... They both certainly shouldn't be lumped into Crown Heights.
And yes, the lady at 903 Park Place is delightful and a walking encyclopedia of local lore and legend.

xlizellx · January 2010

I agree with that statement ... I think that Bedford to Washington (E/W) and Atlantic and Eastern Parkway (N/S) should be Crow Hill or something separate -- Crown Heights is huge. Much like many people say "Midtown" and other have 3 Midtowns of east, west, and center. And some people then break it down even smaller...like the neighborhood of Turtle Bay on the east side. Why not break Crown Heights into smaller sections to better identify areas..

whatchuwant · January 2010

Capt. Planet wrote: All I'm saying is that if a n'hood is to have a sense of self-identity, it should be small enough that people at least have a sense of what's going on there and where it's boundaries are.
. They both certainly shouldn't be lumped into Crown Heights.

Seriously??? I'm all for neighborhood identification and all, but really, who gives a shit? It IS all Crown Heights whether you like it or not, and to go back to the little enclaves of yore...I mean, go ahead, but really- you're just drawing lines between your neighbors, and that doesn't sound community-building at all.

It's all Brooklyn, people. Stand proud.

capt. planet · January 2010

Yes, and Noho is still really just Greenwich Village and Tribeca still just Downtown. N'hoods change as people start talking to their neighbors and self-identify as something different and distinct from a larger n'hood. It's a good thing in my opinion and a part of growing up as a community.

whatchuwant · January 2010

Capt. Planet wrote: N'hoods change as people start talking to their neighbors and self-identify as something different and distinct from a larger n'hood.

Well, I talk to my neighbors but I've never felt the need the self-identify myself or them into being separate from where we are. We are in CROWN HEIGHTS and that is actually good enough for many of us. If you want to again separate and draw lines between you and your close neighbors and you and your far neighbors, well, that's just sad, IMO. Dig it man, I'm your neighbor in this neighborhood.

All that Tribeca and Nolita talk isn't neighbors talking to neighbors- its real estate companies talking to other real estate companies. Get that straight, at least.

capt. planet · January 2010

Whatchuwant wrote:
All that Tribeca and Nolita talk isn't neighbors talking to neighbors- its real estate companies talking to other real estate companies. Get that straight, at least.

I'd love to do a sociological study of how neighborhoods change their identities. My guess is that it has a lot more to do with community groups than real estate brokers. The Crow Hill Association kind of self-defined Crow Hill to create a focus for their organization. Ditto Crown Heights North Association. In Midwood, there are at least three different sub-areas defined by small groups who want to help create a tighter bond and sense of community, thus the "West Midwood" neighborhood association, etc. The more a sense of community exists, the smaller the neighborhoods. Flatbush on the other hand, is generally a large amorphous designation that picks up any neighborhood south of Prospect Lefferts that hasn't identified itself as anything else.

architecture biscuit · January 2010

Capt. Planet wrote: [quote=Whatchuwant]
All that Tribeca and Nolita talk isn't neighbors talking to neighbors- its real estate companies talking to other real estate companies. Get that straight, at least.

I'd love to do a sociological study of how neighborhoods change their identities. My guess is that it has a lot more to do with community groups than real estate brokers. The Crow Hill Association kind of self-defined Crow Hill to create a focus for their organization. Ditto Crown Heights North Association. In Midwood, there are at least three different sub-areas defined by small groups who want to help create a tighter bond and sense of community, thus the "West Midwood" neighborhood association, etc. The more a sense of community exists, the smaller the neighborhoods. Flatbush on the other hand, is generally a large amorphous designation that picks up any neighborhood south of Prospect Lefferts that hasn't identified itself as anything else.

Regarding the neighborhood names Nolita and Tribeca: From what I've read Nolita was conjured up by real estate agents, but the name Tribeca came about from a neighborhood block association.

iheartbkny · January 2010

it's really interesting that when negative things happen how quick people are to become somewhat separatist. If something happened in my neighborhood, I'm not going to first check google to see if it's geographically in my Official neighborhood, especially if its only blocks away. What a tragedy!

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