TICKET BLITZ: Harsh off-leash enforcement in Prospect Park
FIDO notes that several people got tickets yesterday at 9:01am, at the end of dog off-leash hours in Prospect Park. There appears to be a special ticket-writing sweep at the moment, so watch out.
I am for off-leash regulation, but in the frozen dead of winter there's no reason to be so down to the instant about it...other than to write easy tickets.
WATCH OUT!
http://www.fidobrooklyn.org/
I am for off-leash regulation, but in the frozen dead of winter there's no reason to be so down to the instant about it...other than to write easy tickets.
WATCH OUT!
http://www.fidobrooklyn.org/
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wow i'm surprise they didn't go after the dog owners sooner
. cause they got the car owners and business violations.
its the city's way of not raising taxes with ticket "taxes"
i hope to the gods that my tenants don't let fire dept inspectors in cause they leave their shoes and stuff in the hallway. people get tickets for those too. I gotten one. I told that tenant don't let fire or building dept guys in cause I would get a ticket for their convenience. -
I received a seat belt ticket when moving my car across the street for alternate side. Fought it and lost. I drove 20 feet without my belt. Crazy, I know.
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Off-leash dogs are definitely the biggest problem/illegal activity in Prospect Park [insert sarcasm]. Dog owners are just the nicest, safest target compared to the drug dealing and prostitution folks.
I wish they could ticket the riders for all the horse crap that has been all over non-bridle trails lately. Gross.
Also, who else wants to use the park when it's 25 degrees? Nobody else is there in this weather except a few runners and I like the idea that our park is being used as much as possible. -
The key, as I have found in avoiding tickets, is to walk your off leash dog where the drug dealers and prostitutes are. The Vale of Cashmere, Nellie's Lawn, and The Rose garden are often full of some unsavory characters to say the least. However I've not gotten a ticket in the years I've walked my dog there. I rarely see police either. Go figure.
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rezist wrote: The key, as I have found in avoiding tickets, is to walk your off leash dog where the drug dealers and prostitutes are. The Vale of Cashmere, Nellie's Lawn, and The Rose garden are often full of some unsavory characters to say the least. However I've not gotten a ticket in the years I've walked my dog there. I rarely see police either. Go figure.
Haha...agreed. My only interaction with cops or park rangers there has been them telling me (small female) I shouldn't be in such a dangerous part of the park. I walk there almost daily after off-leash (with dog on-leash) and I've also never seen a bird-watcher there. Guess they're too scared to video dealers
I once had a dealer (with a super dog-aggressive dog) tell me I couldn't be there with a dog. The idiot even pretended to call the police on me.
I still think it's sad that they are going after a pretty good group of park users at 9:01, even if I'm not out there. -
Good. It's a shame that FIDO feels it necessary to "warn" people who abuse the off leash privilege in Prospect Park that they might get ticketed. Why does this "good group of park users" need warnings in order to do the right thing and follow the rules?
FIDO seems more interested in helping scofflaws not get caught, than encouraging dog owners to obey the rules and respect the rights of other park users. -
rockhound wrote: Good. It's a shame that FIDO feels it necessary to "warn" people who abuse the off leash privilege in Prospect Park that they might get ticketed. Why does this "good group of park users" need warnings in order to do the right thing and follow the rules?
I have no bone in this :roll: but it was pointed out the tickets started at 9:01. Their website says they encourage dog owners to follow the rules BUT how about a 5 minute grace period. Maybe in the dead of winter a 5 minute grace period is not a bad thing. Course Nanny Bloomberg is on another attack of what we put in our mouths. Screw jobs lets crack down on salt users. But I digress.
FIDO seems more interested in helping scofflaws not get caught, than encouraging dog owners to obey the rules and respect the rights of other park users. -
OpossumQueen wrote: Off-leash dogs are definitely the biggest problem/illegal activity in Prospect Park [insert sarcasm]. Dog owners are just the nicest, safest target compared to the drug dealing and prostitution folks.
On Monday I was one of the few runners who might have liked to run near the meadow, but could not because of all the off leash dogs at NOON. Some dog owners are among the most selfish users of the Prospect Park. They fail to realize that their off leach dog prohibits many other people from using that area.
I wish they could ticket the riders for all the horse crap that has been all over non-bridle trails lately. Gross.
Also, who else wants to use the park when it's 25 degrees? Nobody else is there in this weather except a few runners and I like the idea that our park is being used as much as possible. -
rockhound wrote: Good. It's a shame that FIDO feels it necessary to "warn" people who abuse the off leash privilege in Prospect Park that they might get ticketed. Why does this "good group of park users" need warnings in order to do the right thing and follow the rules?
I don't think that's fair, rockhound. FIDO seems most interested in negotiating and keeping a good environment for everybody in the park. I (not FIDO) posted WATCH OUT because I think this is needlessly overzealous enforcement.
FIDO seems more interested in helping scofflaws not get caught, than encouraging dog owners to obey the rules and respect the rights of other park users.
9:01?? c'mon.
For the sake of fairness, here's the rest of what FIDO put on their site:FIDO Brooklyn wrote: Ticket Blitz
My personal enforcement wish is that people who don't pick up their dog poop on the sidewalk get tickets...it is ridiculous when it's cold out. All that poop, frozen to the sidewalk = GROSS.
Here we go again:
In response to "supposed" repeated complaints to 311; the parks department has sent forth its enforcement arm to ticket anyone off-leash, beginning at 9:01 am!
On Monday, January 11th, several people in the Long Meadow got tickets immediately after off-leash hours expired from enforcement on foot. So be warned. Be suspicious of enforcement disguised as walking tree trunks or upright Newfies carrying ticket pads!
Is this fair?
Rules are rules - our website clearly states the off-leash hours. There is certainly no excuse for being off-leash along the wooded trails at ANY TIME, nor off-leash during random hours of the day. Ditto for the ballfields even when covered with a foot of snow!
But ticketing people as the clock strikes nine, who are saying goodbye after a morning of off-leash? Give us a break! We're not a menace to anyone. We're just easy pickings. Enforcement gains no respect for acting in this manner.
If the City Council can order a five minute grace period on alternate side parking, maybe the City Council might grant the same grace period for off leash.... Worth a thought?
FIDO In Prospect Park
Commentary just in: Sunday (this past Sunday) and the ball fields were FULL UP with football practice kids -- organized groups playing all over the "Do not play" area that is off limits. WHERE ARE THE COPS FOR THESE GUYS???? -
FIDO says
Commentary just in: Sunday (this past Sunday) and the ball fields were FULL UP with football practice kids -- organized groups playing all over the "Do not play" area that is off limits. WHERE ARE THE COPS FOR THESE GUYS????
Get a grip. There is a difference. The "Do not play area" is about letting the grass grow. the Leash Law is about safety. -
So, winston smith... I take it you're afraid of dogs or have a tendency to cause dogs to attack you? You run *near* the meadow and the off-leash dogs catch your scent on the breeze, form a vicious pack and maul you?
Seriously.... I don't have a dog anymore, but at the park the off-leash dogs are in the middle and joggers are on the paths. In the winter, that's all there is. When it's warm, I understand keeping the lawns clear of dogs so folks can play soccer and lay out etc. But in the winter? What is wrong with dogs in the middle and joggers on the path? -
Not afraid. Annoyed, and disgusted.
Not "attacked", the dog just wanted to play. I did not even see it coming and it knocked me off my feet.
I was on the path. -
winstonsmith wrote: FIDO says
I thought you were a rules are rules person but it sounds like you only care about enforcement of the ones that suit you.Commentary just in: Sunday (this past Sunday) and the ball fields were FULL UP with football practice kids -- organized groups playing all over the "Do not play" area that is off limits. WHERE ARE THE COPS FOR THESE GUYS????
Get a grip. There is a difference. The "Do not play area" is about letting the grass grow. the Leash Law is about safety.
Ticketing for not picking up after a dog would be great sounds much better than hitting people at 9am in the dead of winter for off-leash.
...now leaving this thread as it goes down the same path this topic always does -
OpossumQueen wrote: [quote=winstonsmith]FIDO says
I thought you were a rules are rules person but it sounds like you only care about enforcement of the ones that suit you.Commentary just in: Sunday (this past Sunday) and the ball fields were FULL UP with football practice kids -- organized groups playing all over the "Do not play" area that is off limits. WHERE ARE THE COPS FOR THESE GUYS????
Get a grip. There is a difference. The "Do not play area" is about letting the grass grow. the Leash Law is about safety.
Ticketing for not picking up after a dog would be great sounds much better than hitting people at 9am in the dead of winter for off-leash.
...now leaving this thread as it goes down the same path this topic always does
Yes "rules are rules" I am pointing out the fact that walking on grass that is being protected is a "crime" against property. When a selfish dog owner thinks its dog has the right to know me over it is a "crime" against me, a person. There is a difference. -
what if I want to roll in that grass? Then its a crime "against" me, indirectly. Similarly to, say, leaving poop on the street? The dog isn't pooping on you, just on the place which you wish to enjoy. I want to enjoy the grass.
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i hate doogie poop on my sneakers. i got that a few times. yuck.
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Well, it is a well known fact that the only group of people who are bigger asshole then dog owners are joggers!
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winstonsmith wrote: On Monday I was one of the few runners who might have liked to run near the meadow, but could not because of all the off leash dogs at NOON. Some dog owners are among the most selfish users of the Prospect Park. They fail to realize that their off leach dog prohibits many other people from using that area.
Wait... no pictures or complaints about poop ?!? -
Scofflaw dog owners and reckless stroller pushers menace our neighborhood. When will it end? [-o<
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winstonsmith wrote: Not "attacked", the dog just wanted to play. I did not even see it coming and it knocked me off my feet.
Id like to see the dog that keels over a grown man while jogging in the Park.
He must be huge, or you must be really small.
And he must have been REALLY happy to see you to track you down on the running path.
So we are talking a 80+lbs dog, singling you out by chance, the biggest anti dog advocate of Brooklyn, and not only wanting to play with you but being SOOOOOO excited to simply run you over.
I have heard some good stories in my time, but this one is defenitely top 10. -
eggcream wrote: Their website says they encourage dog owners to follow the rules BUT how about a 5 minute grace period. Maybe in the dead of winter a 5 minute grace period is not a bad thing.
About ten years ago, when the whole off leash thing was heating up, I encountered an offleash dog at 10 am. A Parks Department employee in a PEP truck told me they get an hour's grace period, and that I shouldn't mind because loose dogs tearing through the woods are "part of nature". This is not made up.
If the off leash dogs were in a fenced area, with zero tolerance beyond the clearly defined visual limits, then this wouldn't be an issue. Without physical and visual limits, there has to be some other way to set the boundaries, because some people always want to be the exceptions for whom the rules do not apply. Unfortunately, this means the "good park users" will be affected as well. -
kaiserkai wrote: [quote=winstonsmith]Not "attacked", the dog just wanted to play. I did not even see it coming and it knocked me off my feet.
Id like to see the dog that keels over a grown man while jogging in the Park.
He must be huge, or you must be really small.
And he must have been REALLY happy to see you to track you down on the running path.
So we are talking a 80+lbs dog, singling you out by chance, the biggest anti dog advocate of Brooklyn, and not only wanting to play with you but being SOOOOOO excited to simply run you over.
I have heard some good stories in my time, but this one is defenitely top 10.
This is a stupid response. A dog does not have to be huge to knock someone over, it just has to get under foot.
Anyway - this is silly. There should be a 5 minute grace period if for no other reason than to give people some leeway for slow watches. After 5 minutes, I say ticket away. -
Jamzer wrote:
Sorry still not sold, even with your eloquent use of the word stupid.
This is a stupid response. A dog does not have to be huge to knock someone over, it just has to get under foot.
A dog no matter what size doesnt approach you out of your field of vision to sneakily get under your foot, just so you can post your disdain afterwards in a community forum. -
kaiserkai wrote: [quote=winstonsmith]Not "attacked", the dog just wanted to play. I did not even see it coming and it knocked me off my feet.
Id like to see the dog that keels over a grown man while jogging in the Park.
He must be huge, or you must be really small.
And he must have been REALLY happy to see you to track you down on the running path.
So we are talking a 80+lbs dog, singling you out by chance, the biggest anti dog advocate of Brooklyn, and not only wanting to play with you but being SOOOOOO excited to simply run you over.
I have heard some good stories in my time, but this one is defenitely top 10.
It was a very small dog and it just jumped on my leg. If you are running in a strait line even a little dog can through you off balance. I did not "keel over" much to the disappointment of the dog's owners who really thought it was funny (and you too I guess).
I am not anti-dog. I am anti selfish dog owner. -
I hate that when dogs jump on my leg, especially when we haven't been properly introduced.
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winstonsmith wrote:
Maybe the dog thought you were a flaming asshole and wanted to put you out.
It was a very small dog and it just jumped on my leg. If you are running in a strait line even a little dog can through you off balance. I did not "keel over" much to the disappointment of the dog's owners who really thought it was funny (and you too I guess).
http://www.brooklynian.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=55248 -
was he a dalmatian?
They are great dogs, had one when i was a kid, but my Mother got rid of it because I use to connect the dots. -
Hamilton wrote: I hate that when dogs jump on my leg, especially when we haven't been properly introduced.
You, I like.
That is the point. Why should a dog owner assume I want my leg jumped on. -
I am usually off the long meadow before 9:00 but a couple of weekends ago I stayed late and exactly 9:00 a Park employee in a Park van announced over a speaker off leash hours are over.
Do they do that every weekend? -
If not, then they should, if only to educate those who are in denial.
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