damn liberal racist judge.

modsquad wrote: This case has nothing to do with an affirmative action program. The judge has made a decision based on a suit brought by the Vulcan Society (black firefighters) and the Dept of Justice on behalf of Hispanic firefighters. It addresses discriminatory tests taken by these people back in 1999 thorough 2002, Nothing more nothing less. The judge has no business searching around for any other possible injustices. That would be unconstitutional and no doubt get the whole thing thrown out on appeal.

Even though the judge is requiring that jobs be offered to 293 of these applicants, he declined to put hiring quotas into the decision or as you say "affirmative action programs".
If you want to represent that Asians are chronic victims of racism you need to get your facts straight. You have no business calling Nicholas G. Garaufis a "damn liberal racist judge". Well he may be damned, he may be liberal, but he's not a racist based on this NYT article.

please when you leave out 11% of the city population into a new calculation of new hiring, i'll consider that racist.

let me see 2/5 has to be black, 1/5 has to be hispanic, leaves 2/5 of any race, hmm i guess that would be white. what ever way you spin it sounds like quota's to me. takes a liberal with so out of touch of numbers and realty to pretend it isn't racist. don't tell me affirmative action in education isn't racist either against asians.

btw the fact is it was a suit brought in only by black firefighters "vulcan society", Hispanics didn't sue. but they got benefit from the suit, I call him what he is. if Hispanics were in the suit too, sure he might be just prudent.

a damn white liberal racist, who always have screwed asians in many ways.
don't get me wrong white liberals not all racist .

Last week’s decision, which was made in favor of the Vulcan Society, a fraternal organization of black firefighters, was believed to be the first time the court had found that the city had intentionally discriminated against a large class of people. In pointed language, Judge Garaufis said the city looked the other way in regard to the discrimination and that it had “uniquely disabling effects.”

Like i said earlier we are not even 3/5 of a person.

btw when the case went public and national news, i did check samples of the test, it was math and sci based related to firefighting. i don't know how which chemicals not to use or how long the hose should be is inherently racist.

Mark Twain limits minorities to boost white percentage



Washington, D.C.: The Center for Individual Rights today will file a class action lawsuit against the New York City Department of Education challenging the use of separate, lower admissions standards for white students at prestigious Mark Twain Intermediate School in order to boost the number of white students at the school. In addition, CIR will move to intervene in a more-than-thirty year old desegregation lawsuit to challenge a decree that it expects the New York officials will rely upon to justify the continued use of racial quotas at Mark Twain.



CIR represents Anjan Rau and Kanchan Katapadi, Asian Indian parents of three children. Their eldest child, Nikita Rau, was denied admission to Mark Twain last year. Nikita scored 79 on the entrance evaluation for "instrumental music talent." White students were admitted that year with scores as low as 77. Nikita and other minority students were required to score 84.4 or better to be admitted.



The topsy-turvy quota system began with a 1974 desegregation lawsuit, Hart v. Community School of Brooklyn, pursuant to which the school district was ordered to admit classes to Mark Twain consisting of specified percentages of minority and white students. Population shifts over the intervening years have boosted the number of minority residents in the district, so that the school now limits the number of minority students who can attend the school.



Admission to Mark Twain is competitive and is determined by a series of tests applicants take during the fifth grade. Mark Twain uses different cut-off scores in determining admission, depending on an applicantís race or ethnicity in order to racially balance its incoming classes to be 60% white and only 40% minority.



School officials have not sought to rescind the quota even though it deprives qualified minority students of a place at the school for no reason other than race. The problem was widely publicized last summer in articles in the New York Post, but school officials inexplicably have taken no action to correct the problem.



CIR President Terence Pell said, "This is an especially egregious example of the carelessness with which school officials routinely sort and classify students by race in America today. School officials continue to enforce racial set-asides, quotas and separate lower cut-off scores that serve only to frustrate education."



The Center for Individual Rights is being assisted in the case by the national law firm of Jones Day and by the Law Offices of Rosmarie Arnold. Both firms are donating their time pro bono.



The Center for Individual Rights is a public interest law firm that has challenged other unconstitutional racial preferences in schools and colleges. Most recently it sued the New York Department of Education challenging its policy of excluding Asian and white students from applying for a fifteen month program designed to prepare students to apply to the Cityís elite examination schools.


http://www.cir-usa.org/releases/97.html

its a pattern of white liberal racist politics in nyc. if white people do white guilt at least see asians are people too.

modsquad wrote: [quote=armchair_warrior]here is a older article.


The Fire Department’s pool of black and Hispanic job candidates has more than doubled since 2002, Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg said yesterday, raising hopes that efforts to hire more minority firefighters might be yielding results.


http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/28/nyregion/28fire.html

i guess we aren't even people didn't even get a mention lol.

There are 11,621 firefighters, but just 666 of them are Hispanic, 337 are black and 75 Asian-American, for a total of 9.3 percent, city officials said. Thirty-one are women.

More than 22,000 people took this year’s exam. Of the more than 21,000 who passed — meaning they scored at least 70 percent — 38 percent were black, Hispanic, Asian-American or American Indian.

Actually read the article.

read what i wrote. he only bother to mention Hispanic and blacks. we aren't people !!!!

The Fire Department’s pool of black and Hispanic job candidates has more than doubled since 2002, Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg said yesterday, raising hopes that efforts to hire more minority firefighters might be yielding results.

modsquad wrote: [quote=armchair_warrior]CIR challenges race-exclusive program
Student in science lab

On November 19, 2007, the Center for Individual Rights filed a class action lawsuit in the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of New York, challenging the New York City Department of Education ’s policy of excluding Asian American and white students from a test preparation course because of their race.

The fifteen-month course, called the Specialized High School Institute (SHSI), is designed to prepare selected students to take the demanding admissions exam for the city’s elite Specialized High Schools, including Brooklyn Technical High School, the Bronx High School of Science, and Manhattan’s famed Stuyvesant High School.
Victory in New York exam schools case

December 10, 2008 - U.S. District Court Judge Dora L. Irizarry approved a stipulated settlement agreement that brings to successful conclusion CIR’s suit challenging the use of an Asian quota to New York City’s Specialized High School Institute. Pursuant to the settlement, the New York City Department of Education agreed to eliminate the use of race in awarding admission to its Specialized High School Institute and pay attorneys’ fees and damages to CIR client Stanley Ng. The Stipulation requires the defendants to notify CIR of any changes to its admissions criteria to the Institute and the court retains jurisdiction to enforce the terms of the agreement for a period of three years.



Last November, Ng sued to end an unconstitutional school policy prohibiting Asian middle school students from applying for an enrichment program on the specious grounds that there were already “too many” Asians in elite city high schools. Documents CIR obtained in pretrial discovery confirmed that, with slight variations in the ten educational regions of the city, DOE had applied explicitly racial admissions criteria for the Institute, by which it excluded Asian and white students from the program.


Too many Asians?

CIR is representing Stanley Ng (pron. “Ing”), a Brooklyn father whose daughter wished to apply to the SHSI program. Her junior
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high school guidance counselor refused to give Ng an application, and when Ng contacted the NYC Department of Education in November 2006, an official with the Department told him the program was open only to students of certain races or ethnic backgrounds. The official then asked his daughter’s race. When Ng said his daughter is Chinese, the official told him Asians were already “overrepresented” in the Specialized High Schools.

And in an internal Department memo obtained by CIR, addressed to junior high school principals and guidance counselors in Brooklyn’s Region 7 (comprising Districts 20, 21, and 31) the Local Instructional Superintendent emphasizes that applications to SHSI are to be given “only to your eligible students.” An “eligible” student is defined in the memo to include American Indians, Alaska Natives, blacks, Hispanics, and Pacific Islanders.



Low-income whites and Asians

Ng spent over a thousand dollars for a private test preparation course for his daughter after she was excluded from SHSI based on her race – a route taken by other middle-income families whose children are racially barred from the program. Many parents whose children are excluded because of their race cannot afford private courses. In Ng’s own District 20, 77% of students are eligible for free or reduced-priced school lunches under Title I because of low family income. (District 20 is 65% white or Asian.)



Parents Against Discrimination

Stanley Ng was born in New York City’s Chinatown and works as a computer programmer. Together with Ng, CIR is representing two other Chinese American parents in Brooklyn, Margaret Ching and Dennis Chen, both of whom have children who were prevented from participating in the examination prep course because of their race. In addition, CIR is representing a parents’ organization called Parents Against Discrimination, which Mr. Ng formed, consisting of parents of white and Asian children who hope to participate in the preparatory course once it is opened to students regardless of race.


http://www.cir-usa.org/cases/ng_v_nyc.html

Victory in New York exam schools case

December 10, 2008 - U.S. District Court Judge Dora L. Irizarry approved a stipulated settlement agreement that brings to successful conclusion CIR’s suit challenging the use of an Asian quota to New York City’s Specialized High School Institute. Pursuant to the settlement, the New York City Department of Education agreed to eliminate the use of race in awarding admission to its Specialized High School Institute and pay attorneys’ fees and damages to CIR client Stanley Ng. The Stipulation requires the defendants to notify CIR of any changes to its admissions criteria to the Institute and the court retains jurisdiction to enforce the terms of the agreement for a period of three years.



Last November, Ng sued to end an unconstitutional school policy prohibiting Asian middle school students from applying for an enrichment program on the specious grounds that there were already “too many” Asians in elite city high schools. Documents CIR obtained in pretrial discovery confirmed that, with slight variations in the ten educational regions of the city, DOE had applied explicitly racial admissions criteria for the Institute, by which it excluded Asian and white students from the program.

As you say "fact are facts"
Find something new to complain about.

a fact he forgot about asians.

Why, have the Asian applicants doubled since 2002? that's all he's talking about.


no matter what you say he didn't mention asians at all about doubling of minorities he only mention blacks and hispanics. those are facts.

i mention these cases like i said, nyc liberal has a long history of discrimination against asians. nyc as a whole still have education quotas for colleges etc...

still ignoring my fact of the affirmative action and colleges huh.

modsquad wrote: Now that I think about it. There is nothing in the NYT article that says Asians weren't hired. Do you know for a fact that Asians were not hired? Maybe they weren't part of the suit because they had no complaints.

asians tend not to complain cause people in power don't care or older generation.

personal experience back in school, told the teachers what happen. they wouldn't do a thing. fight back got suspend with the kids. reminds me of the phily thing now days. back very few asian kids in brooklyn.