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Co-Op vs. Fairway take 250 — Brooklynian

Co-Op vs. Fairway take 250

dw438
edited November -1 in Park Slope
From New York magazine:
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Battle of the Bulgur
Work-weary Park Slopers flee hippie-era food co-op for parking spots, diet coke at Fairway.

The scruffy, Michael Pollan–reading culture of Park Slope is probably best embodied by the Food Co-op, the 13,000-member DIY grocery store founded in 1973. To save 20 to 40 percent on groceries, members have to log two-hour-and-45-minute work shifts every four weeks and put up with Co-op veterans who enforce the 36-page rule book with Stalinesque zealotry. But the opening of the Fairway in Red Hook—big selection, low prices, Twinkies, no history of ideological battles over whether to sell meat—has many Brooklynites defecting, albeit guiltily. “I worked my husband’s Co-op shift too, and it was too much,” says Gabriele Holtermann-Gorden, 39, a student and mother of two. “I like the Co-op’s philosophy, but I didn’t like the long lines or the way, if you bought meat, some checkout people refused to touch it.”



Self-identified “old lefty” Roy Nathanson ended his year-and-a-half long Co-op stint before he even stepped foot in the Red Hook megamart (though he found Fairway’s produce inferior). “I do have a certain ambivalence about leaving the Co-op,” says the 55-year-old jazz saxophonist, teacher, and grad student from Ditmas Park. “I like the idea that it gives food to soup kitchens and has good politics. But I did not physically have the time. Plus it’s impossible to park in the Slope.” (Fairway has 300 spots.)



Fairway stocks the sort of organic and specialty products—like Jerusalem artichokes and Garden of Eatin’ blue chips—that used to be the sole province of the Co-op, and with a Whole Foods opening on Third Avenue early next year, still more competition is on the way.



The Co-op’s managers say they’re not worried—yet. According to general coordinator Linda Wheeler, between May 14 (three days before Fairway opened) and July 2, the Co-op dropped nearly 700 members. (The store always loses members in summertime, but last year it lost half as many.) New recruits were down by nearly 40 percent. Is some perestroika in store at the Co-op, which doesn’t sell junk food or accept credit cards? “Are we concerned about our members’ happiness?” says Wheeler. “Yes. Do we think Fairway is going to mean the end of the Co-op? No.”
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  • pardon my diction, but...

    the co-op blows.
  • I've said it a million times (or so) - the co-op would be better served by charging a yearly or monthly fee to folks who wanted to shop there but didn't have the time to work there. I don't care enough to even contact them about this - I'm not hippy-snippy enough to feel guilt about buying food at fairway, freshdirect or local supermarkets. but every once in awhile I look at their website and wonder if I would have ever joined if they had an option like that in their membership. I'm reasonably certain a lot more folks in PS would stick with their memberships if they didn't have to invest almost 3 hours every 4 weeks.
  • alafairnadia wrote: I've said it a million times (or so) - the co-op would be better served by charging a yearly or monthly fee to folks who wanted to shop there but didn't have the time to work there. I don't care enough to even contact them about this - I'm not hippy-snippy enough to feel guilt about buying food at fairway, freshdirect or local supermarkets. but every once in awhile I look at their website and wonder if I would have ever joined if they had an option like that in their membership. I'm reasonably certain a lot more folks in PS would stick with their memberships if they didn't have to invest almost 3 hours every 4 weeks.
    The Co-op actually NEEDS to shrink a little - it's over-capacity right now, and there's no more space to expand. 700 people leaving (out of 13,000) is not enough!

    Alafair, most other coops have a buy-in option, but that's not what the PSFC is about -- the community/participation aspect is a key part of the structure. It works for enough people to keep the place going strong.

    A couple corrections to that New York article:
    - the PSFC does sell junk food. Lots of salt and fat in those organic chips...
    - no 36-page rule book
    - no Stalin, and no gulag in the basement, only fancy cheese
  • pitu lillet wrote: - no Stalin, and no gulag in the basement, only fancy cheese
    Maybe not, but there are plenty would-be Stalins (see thread: genetic modification at the co-op).
    This reminds me of a joke I heard Margaret Cho tell at a Move On fundraiser. At the time, there was a lot of outcry over an ads that submitted to a Move On contest but never aired that compared Dubya to Hitler.
    Margaret Cho: "George Bush is NOT Hitler. [dramatic pause] He could be if he applied himself..." :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
  • Carnivore wrote: [quote=pitu lillet]- no Stalin, and no gulag in the basement, only fancy cheese
    Maybe not, but there are plenty would-be Stalins (see thread: genetic modification at the co-op).

    one monkey don't stop no show!

    :twisted:
  • I like the coop. I've been a member for close to four years now. Yes some people are a tad elitist and bullyish but everyplace I've worked at or been a partipant/member of has these problems. Usually the ones calling everybody "Hitler and Stalin" are the ones who feel they should get special reatment. Such as having to leave their shifts early because they have better things to do, or not having to show their receipts more than once at the exit door because it's not their fault if the exit worker doesn't remember them leaving the first time. I will agree that consuming a bag of chips online isn't the worst thing in the world. I have seen plenty of people do that and then have the checkout person scan the empty bag. And the world being full of diabetics now, if a person has an attack of low blood sugar and has to eat a piece of fruit then so be it, they will usually work something out. And yes there are some quirks that need to be addressed such as combining the checkout and cashier proccess into one so the exit worker can be abolished but all in all I find it to be a friendly place with great food and most importantly very attractive women.
  • * Maybe the checkout workers who won't handle meat exist but I have not come across one in 5 years of shopping at least once a week. likewise the encounters with rule nazis, sanctimonious lectures (except in this forum!), etc. an irrestistible stereotype (with a kernel of truth) plus an audience eager to believe it is a powerful combo

    * i'm one of the silent majority, or plurality, of co-op members who belong not out of any ideological fervor but to get really good food cheap. i've shopped at fairway, love it and will go back but am not ready to quit the co-op. the vast savings on produce, especially organic, and its higher quality alone are worth staying for. because of the small shelf space and turnover, you cannot beat the freshness of co-op produce, which means it keeps longer when you bring it home.

    * that said, i'd leave without guilt if it became worth my while, and will probably spend less of my food budget there. but i suspect that will be fine for the overcrowded co-op anyway.
  • I'm thinking of going to Fairway soon, but am afraid to spend a fortune.

    Are the prices more on par with Key Food or more like Whole (Paycheck) Food?
  • Flexichick wrote: I'm thinking of going to Fairway soon, but am afraid to spend a fortune.

    Are the prices more on par with Key Food or more like Whole (Paycheck) Food?
    key food
  • ack! Now I simply HAVE to go. Thanks :D
  • Flexichick wrote: ack! Now I simply HAVE to go. Thanks :D
    no problem!
  • Flexichick wrote: ack! Now I simply HAVE to go. Thanks :D
    Even though it's cheap you may still spend a small fortune simply because there's so much good stuff to buy. But that's all part of the fun...
  • linusvanpelt wrote: * Maybe the checkout workers who won't handle meat exist but I have not come across one in 5 years of shopping at least once a week. likewise the encounters with rule nazis, sanctimonious lectures (except in this forum!), etc. an irrestistible stereotype (with a kernel of truth) plus an audience eager to believe it is a powerful combo
    I spent a few years there (1996-1998) and I'd say there's more than a kernel of truth to the stereotype. More than a kernel, less than a bushel. Let's call it a solid cob.

    But who knows, maybe the last decade or so has had a mellowing effect.
  • Drano wrote: [quote=linusvanpelt]* Maybe the checkout workers who won't handle meat exist but I have not come across one in 5 years of shopping at least once a week. likewise the encounters with rule nazis, sanctimonious lectures (except in this forum!), etc. an irrestistible stereotype (with a kernel of truth) plus an audience eager to believe it is a powerful combo
    I spent a few years there (1996-1998) and I'd say there's more than a kernel of truth to the stereotype. More than a kernel, less than a bushel. Let's call it a solid cob.

    But who knows, maybe the last decade or so has had a mellowing effect.

    I suspect that--especially because the expansion of the shopping space since you left made it a more physically pleasant shopping experience--you have a lower ratio of eco-militants to people like me who just want cheap good food. But just a guess.

    I also suspect that the older members would love to see Fairway take us meat-eating, beer-drinking, GMO-consuming non-fanatics away, so the Co-op could be more ideologically pure again.
  • linusvanpelt wrote:
    I also suspect that the older members would love to see Fairway take us meat-eating, beer-drinking, GMO-consuming non-fanatics away, so the Co-op could be more ideologically pure again.
    I don't think that's fair, but maybe 'cause I just had a long chat at the Taqueria with one of the original grey bearded ones. Open-minded, non-didactic omnivore, go figure!

    I think you nailed it about the hoary stereotype that is soooo attractive to some:
    linusvanpelt wrote:
    an irrestistible stereotype (with a kernel of truth) plus an audience eager to believe it is a powerful combo
  • I'm headed to Fairway any minute. I'm way too excited!
  • Damn - the Mapquest directions tell me to take the BQE. I don't think so.

    Can somebody give me driving directions from S. Slope/ WT? Thanks :-)
  • Flexichick wrote: Damn - the Mapquest directions tell me to take the BQE. I don't think so.

    Can somebody give me driving directions from S. Slope/ WT? Thanks :-)
    I just go down 9th Street, right on Hamilton to the next light, make the left and keep going straight until I hit Van Brunt, then make the left and keep going to Fairway. Will that do it for you?
  • I just don't see the point of the co-op.

    I just don't get why people would pay a membership fee and work for the "privilege" to shop there. it's ludicrous to me! Save money by clipping coupons.

    BTW-Fairway is very well priced and it is one stop under one roof shopping.
  • Thanks - I found it.......and LOVED it!

    Spent $72, which isn't bad - $20 on beer, $30 on cheese.

    Found a one pound bag of sun-dried tomatoes (just tomatoes, no oil, how I like 'em) for $4 in a resealable bag.

    They sell PG tips tea (and all kinds of other Brit stuff)

    Yay!

    It doesn't always take much to make me happy
  • guest456 wrote: I just don't get why people would pay a membership fee and work for the "privilege" to shop there. it's ludicrous to me! Save money by clipping coupons.

    BTW-Fairway is very well priced and it is one stop under one roof shopping.
    I can't get fantastic and local produce all the time at a reasonable price anywhere else, that's one reason why.

    factcheck:
    the Co-op membership fee is refunded when (if) you leave
    unlike, say, Costco
    it's part of the setup where you invest in the place, time and money

    It's not for everybody, but some of the people it's not *for* sure are obsessed with finding negatives about the place.
    Why o why do you care so?

    Fairway is really good too!
    Flexi, pls post back on those sundrieds - I'm always wary of quality on that kind of luxe item in bulk.
  • Flexichick wrote: Thanks - I found it.......and LOVED it!

    Spent $72, which isn't bad - $20 on beer, $30 on cheese.

    Found a one pound bag of sun-dried tomatoes (just tomatoes, no oil, how I like 'em) for $4 in a resealable bag.

    They sell PG tips tea (and all kinds of other Brit stuff)

    Yay!

    It doesn't always take much to make me happy
    Glad you didn't get lost in Red Hook - should have told you to watch out for the cobblestones and potholes though. Thanks for the PG Tips tip (pun intended) but even my Mum won't drink that brand. The one really good Brit thing I found is a large plastic bottle of HP Sauce - my 2 1/2 year-old loves brown sauce (even more than ketchup) so now I can slather it on and make the little bugger happy. :D
  • I like the PG tips! I like the design of the bag and the box. Tastes ok for my every day tea, also. They have a big Brit section (no wine gums, though).

    I didn't get lost, but I'm also glad I went in the day :lol:

    And I'll keep y'all posted on the sun-dried tomatoes.
  • prusik wrote: The one really good Brit thing I found is a large plastic bottle of HP Sauce - my 2 1/2 year-old loves brown sauce (even more than ketchup) so now I can slather it on and make the little bugger happy. :D
    ack. I don't like HP Sauce at all. I tried so hard. :(:(
  • I like Fairway's (Brooklyn store) fish dept. They probably have the freshest I've seen in NYC. The eyes are clear, the flesh firm and there's no "fishy" smell. Also, their shellfish has a nice brine to it. Plus!!! No matter what size lobster you buy it's only around $9.99 a pound.
  • Idlewild wrote: I like Fairway's (Brooklyn store) fish dept. They probably have the freshest I've seen in NYC. The eyes are clear, there's no "fishy" smell and their shellfish has a nice brine to it. Plus!!! No matter what size lobster you buy it's only around $9.99.
    Im with you on that one - plus the fish mongers there are so nice. Last week I went there and asked if they could cut up a whole filet into 4 oz portions and the guy said "sure do your shopping and come back" When I was done I went back and there it was waiting for me.
  • True that! They steamed my lobsters for me. And much to my shock the way I asked them. Whole! Usually, even if when you ask repeatedly not to have the fish monger clean them they do it anyway. I know! let's have a clambake! Hawaiin shirts opional.
  • Idlewild wrote: True that! They steamed my lobsters for me. And much to my shock the way I asked them. Whole! Usually, even if when you ask repeatedly not to have the fish monger clean them they do it anyway. I know! let's have a clambake! Hawaiin shirts opional.
    I have a big yard (although its not much to look at) so we can hold it there :) Maybe we can combine a DH clam bake/bbq/poker game.
  • You're on!
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