is there outdoor seating @ cafe grumpy?

Yes, it's called Naidre's --just go across the street --and get your coffee there ;-)

no outdoor seating. But if you're a patron of this place I would make it a habit of going a few times a week. Doesn't look like they are doing too well.

I agree that Grumpy's coffee is fantastic, maybe the best in the slope, but if they are doing poorly, there are several reasons that I can tell...

First of all, the place is just not inviting - it's strictly a 'to go' place. There is only one table, with a few uncomfortable chairs and is really way too small for any more than that. So, while their coffee is far superior to Naidre's, I've opted to go to Naidre's at times just to have a place to sit...

Another reason is that Grumpy is way too expensive. I understand that they import their coffee from all these exotic places, and that you're paying for quality, but there has to be a happy medium... If I remember correctly, some of the regular coffees are around 4 or 5 dollars - that's for a coffee, not a coffee drink (like a latte or something fancy).

The last reason is that since each cup is individually brewed, which no doubt adds to the quality, there is a major drawback - it takes way too long to get a cup, making it very challenging to grab a quick cup on your way to the subway or to work, etc...

So, since commuters might avoid it for time reasons, and non-commuters may avoid it for lack of seating, it's sad to say that one of the best coffee places around may not be around much longer...

I am drinking a cup of coffee right now from them. It's amazing. And no, it was not $5.00. It was a total of $2.50... plus buy 10, get 1 free, and 0.25 off for your own cup. So really, the mark up is not nearly as big as everyone believes. Granted, I don't buy there most expensive cup... but still.

Apartment Blues, that is ridiculous! Really stupid. You should go it with your own cup and pour it in and walk out, just to spite.

I think gadmo has hit the nail on the head. I went in there today thinking I would sit for a while, have a cup and do a little bit of work. I walked in and walked right out again. The place was just not inviting at all. Bad and loud music, and only the one uncomfortable table as Gadmo described. I don't know what kind of place they're trying to be, but I doubt that any place can pay the rent for that spot selling cups of take out coffee.