The goddamn homeless guys on 7th and Garfield
Why the hell don't the owners of the bodega/flower joint kick them off the damn sidewalk. All of them are consistenly drunk or high or downright obnoxious. I'd be happy if they would just get rid of that toothless bastard. It's gotten to the point where I walk across the street just so I don't have to deal with him. Sooner or later one of those numnuts will flip out and hurt someone; it almost happened a few weeks ago.
At the very least someone should get rid of the damn crate so theyre forced to stand.
aaaarrrrrggggghhhhhhhh
At the very least someone should get rid of the damn crate so theyre forced to stand.
aaaarrrrrggggghhhhhhhh
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actually, i've found those few aforementioned toothless men to be absolutely pleasant and friendly.
come live by the homeless shelter at the armory, then we can talk about it. -
Subject: Re: The goddamn homeless guys on 7th and Garfield
mykidissmarterthanyourmom wrote: Why the hell don't the owners of the bodega/flower joint kick them off the damn sidewalk. All of them are consistenly drunk or high or downright obnoxious. I'd be happy if they would just get rid of that toothless bastard. It's gotten to the point where I walk across the street just so I don't have to deal with him. Sooner or later one of those numnuts will flip out and hurt someone; it almost happened a few weeks ago.
While I've never had any problems with any of the street people -- except the slime ball who calls me hot honey and baby -- but feel your thoughts are valid. I can't disagree with you.
At the very least someone should get rid of the damn crate so theyre forced to stand.
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I don't believe store owners are allowed to kick them off the front. Public use law and all that.
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Idlewild wrote: I don't believe store owners are allowed to kick them off the front. Public use law and all that.
There's gotta be some laws prohibiting loitering, right? -
What is the incident you allude to ("Sooner or later one of those numnuts will flip out and hurt someone; it almost happened a few weeks ago.")? Just curious.
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Vagrancy is against the law. Then again Sir Rudolph isn't mayor anymore is he?
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Drano wrote: What is the incident you allude to ("Sooner or later one of those numnuts will flip out and hurt
The toothless guy was clearly drunk and yelling at one of the guys who puts together the flowers and cuts the fruit and at one point he threatened some serious violence towards him.
someone; it almost happened a few weeks ago.")? Just curious.
Now, as to the one asking me to move near a shelter: Why in gods name would I do that. I'm not homeless. I understand that they have no homes or jobs or whatever, but that doesnt give any of them the right to obstruct sidewalk traffic and yell things (nice or not). More than a few times one of them has grabbed my dog by the leash or called my dog over only to use him to panhandle more effectively.
Now the owner of the bodega might not have the right to kick them off the curb, if he lets them stay and encourages them to stay and they hurt someone, the bodega owners will have a lawsuit on their hands. Or, if they hurt a child, they will have way more than a lawsuit to worry about. -
So you think the store owners encourage these folks to panhandle in front of their stores? They want their customers harassed? Did you ever think that NYC law and lawyers make life miserable for the store owner who tries to run a business without any hassles? I mean you do notice that the vagrants aren't in the stores themselves don't you? The owners have no control over who uses the sidewalks. They have control over the obstructions but not people who decide to use them. That includes the front of the store to the curb.
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Idlewild wrote: So you think the store owners encourage these folks to panhandle in front of their stores? They want their customers harassed? Did you ever think that NYC law and lawyers make life miserable for the store owner who tries to run a business without any hassles? I mean you do notice that the vagrants aren't in the stores themselves don't you? The owners have no control over who uses the sidewalks. They have control over the obstructions but not people who decide to use them. That includes the front of the store to the curb.
I've seen the owners of the store give the beggars water and food, they provide the beggars with the crate on which they stand as well. I've seen workers there sit and talk with them as they drink their liquor. I've seen them sit by as the beggar/homeless people yell at the people passing by "shake it" "shake what your momma gave ya".
The owners of that particular store go out of their way to make the homeless and beggars comfortable there.
So, yes, I think they don't care that people are harassed. People still come in and out of the store.
They have enabled and encouraged a dangerous condition to continue in front of their store; they are responsible. -
mykidissmarterthanyourmom wrote: [quote=Idlewild]So you think the store owners encourage these folks to panhandle in front of their stores? They want their customers harassed? Did you ever think that NYC law and lawyers make life miserable for the store owner who tries to run a business without any hassles? I mean you do notice that the vagrants aren't in the stores themselves don't you? The owners have no control over who uses the sidewalks. They have control over the obstructions but not people who decide to use them. That includes the front of the store to the curb.
I've seen the owners of the store give the beggars water and food, they provide the beggars with the crate on which they stand as well. I've seen workers there sit and talk with them as they drink their liquor. I've seen them sit by as the beggar/homeless people yell at the people passing by "shake it" "shake what your momma gave ya".
The owners of that particular store go out of their way to make the homeless and beggars comfortable there.
So, yes, I think they don't care that people are harassed. People still come in and out of the store.
They have enabled and encouraged a dangerous condition to continue in front of their store; they are responsible.
What possible incentive do you think the store owners have to "go out of their way to make the homeless and beggars comfortable there." -
what i meant, which was taken out of context, was that one normally friendly homeless man is absolutely nothing compared to the throng of shelter women and their boyfriends down here in the south slope. [/i]
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mykidissmarterthanyourmom wrote: [quote=Idlewild]So you think the store owners encourage these folks to panhandle in front of their stores? They want their customers harassed? Did you ever think that NYC law and lawyers make life miserable for the store owner who tries to run a business without any hassles? I mean you do notice that the vagrants aren't in the stores themselves don't you? The owners have no control over who uses the sidewalks. They have control over the obstructions but not people who decide to use them. That includes the front of the store to the curb.
I've seen the owners of the store give the beggars water and food, they provide the beggars with the crate on which they stand as well. I've seen workers there sit and talk with them as they drink their liquor. I've seen them sit by as the beggar/homeless people yell at the people passing by "shake it" "shake what your momma gave ya".
The owners of that particular store go out of their way to make the homeless and beggars comfortable there.
So, yes, I think they don't care that people are harassed. People still come in and out of the store.
They have enabled and encouraged a dangerous condition to continue in front of their store; they are responsible.
In all my forty years one years of living in Park Slope and Prosepct Heights I have never ever encountered any type of business, much less a bodega go out of their way to make beggars feel comfortable. If they come inside their store wanting food they pay for it, no breaks or discounts. If they lolligag around inside the store the owners yell at them, even call the cops if they can't get rid of them. Please, tell me where this bodega is that provides these vagrants with a place to sit, a meal and water and some casual conversation. I'd like to give them a humanitarium award. In fact I'll even patronize their business. G-d knows I'd love to hear anyone, vagrant or not tell me to shake what my momma gave me. -
I'll tell ya to shake what your mama gave you. Jeez, I hear shit like that all the time. One thing is a compliment, it's a totally different thing to have some guy lean out his car and howl things at you. I've been known to walk up to them and then see how tough they are. Ask 'em if they want somebody saying shit like that to their mama, sister, daughter, etc.
Don't get me wrong, a little appreciation is ok. Lechery and no class is something else.
So, go on, Idle, shake it. Please (Hey, I said "please")
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I'll not only shake it for you, Flex, I'll do it in a perfect circle. What kind of car should I look for?
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You'll know ;-)
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Just yesterday I was coming from yoga - no makeup, workout gear on, carrying my mat......Some guy in a truck smiled and waved. I gave a little smile in return. Then he rolled down the window as I was crossing the street and said something. I kept walking, so he started shouting louder. Finally, I flipped him off and he said "I know where I want you to put that finger". WTF?! I was out minding my fucking business - certainly not tarted up and parading around (which I reserve the right to do without being harassed, but still.......). I didn't even feel like smiling at him, but I did and that should have been where he stopped.
I seriously almost crossed back over to say something, but I know it's moves like that which are going to get me killed one day. -
p.s Idlewild - don't make my lesbian following too jealous
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mykidissmarterthanyourmom wrote: [quote=Drano]What is the incident you allude to ("Sooner or later one of those numnuts will flip out and hurt
The toothless guy was clearly drunk and yelling at one of the guys who puts together the flowers and cuts the fruit and at one point he threatened some serious violence towards him.
someone; it almost happened a few weeks ago.")? Just curious.
Now, as to the one asking me to move near a shelter: Why in gods name would I do that. I'm not homeless. I understand that they have no homes or jobs or whatever, but that doesnt give any of them the right to obstruct sidewalk traffic and yell things (nice or not). More than a few times one of them has grabbed my dog by the leash or called my dog over only to use him to panhandle more effectively.
Now the owner of the bodega might not have the right to kick them off the curb, if he lets them stay and encourages them to stay and they hurt someone, the bodega owners will have a lawsuit on their hands. Or, if they hurt a child, they will have way more than a lawsuit to worry about.
I can't disagree. There is a homeless man who sits in front of a bodega on 7th Avenue somewhere between President Street and Garfield Place. He cat-calls me in broad day light. I don’t appreciate being called “hot, sweet thing†as I’m trying to select a fresh box of berries. -
Flexichick wrote: Just yesterday I was coming from yoga - no makeup, workout gear on, carrying my mat......Some guy in a truck smiled and waved. I gave a little smile in return. Then he rolled down the window as I was crossing the street and said something. I kept walking, so he started shouting louder. Finally, I flipped him off and he said "I know where I want you to put that finger". WTF?! I was out minding my fucking business - certainly not tarted up and parading around (which I reserve the right to do without being harassed, but still.......). I didn't even feel like smiling at him, but I did and that should have been where he stopped.
Well, you know my philosophy on avoiding confrontation and violence. Approach him as if to reason with him then mace the prick. He'll be to busy trying to claw his own eyes out than to think about harming you. As far as your lesbian following, I think once they see my ass they'll have no reason to feel jealous. Btw, I just came back from the newsstand on Flatbush by Park Pl. . Was that you in the '86 dented, red Firebird wearing the purple polyester leotard and the glitter eye shadow asking me "did your momma give you that?" and "do you have a an extra smoke?"
I seriously almost crossed back over to say something, but I know it's moves like that which are going to get me killed one day. -
Idlewild wrote: [quote=mykidissmarterthanyourmom][quote=Idlewild]So you think the store owners encourage these folks to panhandle in front of their stores? They want their customers harassed? Did you ever think that NYC law and lawyers make life miserable for the store owner who tries to run a business without any hassles? I mean you do notice that the vagrants aren't in the stores themselves don't you? The owners have no control over who uses the sidewalks. They have control over the obstructions but not people who decide to use them. That includes the front of the store to the curb.
I've seen the owners of the store give the beggars water and food, they provide the beggars with the crate on which they stand as well. I've seen workers there sit and talk with them as they drink their liquor. I've seen them sit by as the beggar/homeless people yell at the people passing by "shake it" "shake what your momma gave ya".
The owners of that particular store go out of their way to make the homeless and beggars comfortable there.
So, yes, I think they don't care that people are harassed. People still come in and out of the store.
They have enabled and encouraged a dangerous condition to continue in front of their store; they are responsible.
In all my forty years one years of living in Park Slope and Prosepct Heights I have never ever encountered any type of business, much less a bodega go out of their way to make beggars feel comfortable. If they come inside their store wanting food they pay for it, no breaks or discounts. If they lolligag around inside the store the owners yell at them, even call the cops if they can't get rid of them. Please, tell me where this bodega is that provides these vagrants with a place to sit, a meal and water and some casual conversation. I'd like to give them a humanitarium award. In fact I'll even patronize their business. G-d knows I'd love to hear anyone, vagrant or not tell me to shake what my momma gave me.
Go to 7th and garfield. They are easily the most comfortable beggars on 7th. -
Gee, I'm feeling a lot of compassion here from the great liberal masses of Park Slope. I know they're an annoyance, but c'mon. These people have a pretty rough lot in life, and you have to walk around them on the sidewalk? Ooh, that's rough.
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Anonymous wrote: [quote=Idlewild][quote=mykidissmarterthanyourmom][quote=Idlewild]So you think the store owners encourage these folks to panhandle in front of their stores? They want their customers harassed? Did you ever think that NYC law and lawyers make life miserable for the store owner who tries to run a business without any hassles? I mean you do notice that the vagrants aren't in the stores themselves don't you? The owners have no control over who uses the sidewalks. They have control over the obstructions but not people who decide to use them. That includes the front of the store to the curb.
I've seen the owners of the store give the beggars water and food, they provide the beggars with the crate on which they stand as well. I've seen workers there sit and talk with them as they drink their liquor. I've seen them sit by as the beggar/homeless people yell at the people passing by "shake it" "shake what your momma gave ya".
The owners of that particular store go out of their way to make the homeless and beggars comfortable there.
So, yes, I think they don't care that people are harassed. People still come in and out of the store.
They have enabled and encouraged a dangerous condition to continue in front of their store; they are responsible.
In all my forty years one years of living in Park Slope and Prosepct Heights I have never ever encountered any type of business, much less a bodega go out of their way to make beggars feel comfortable. If they come inside their store wanting food they pay for it, no breaks or discounts. If they lolligag around inside the store the owners yell at them, even call the cops if they can't get rid of them. Please, tell me where this bodega is that provides these vagrants with a place to sit, a meal and water and some casual conversation. I'd like to give them a humanitarium award. In fact I'll even patronize their business. G-d knows I'd love to hear anyone, vagrant or not tell me to shake what my momma gave me.
Go to 7th and garfield. They are easily the most comfortable beggars on 7th.
I know the store on 7th and Garfield. It's called The Apple Tree. I've been going to that store for years and years and years. I know who the owners are. Please trust me when I say that they are not lending any hand to the beggars' comfort that sit outside the front of their store. They attain their comfort zone on their own. If those owners or any other store owner could get away with banishing beggars/vagrants/homeless from their property, trust me they would and with a vengance. -
steve wrote: Gee, I'm feeling a lot of compassion here from the great liberal masses of Park Slope. I know they're an annoyance, but c'mon. These people have a pretty rough lot in life, and you have to walk around them on the sidewalk? Ooh, that's rough.
Oh, don't worry for our vaunted liberal rep steve, those guys are getting plenty of compassion. They're not stupid and they're not sitting there all day for nothing - I've got friends and family in less, uh, "gentrified" areas of Brooklyn and you can walk down whatever the main drag is (large stretches of King's Highway would be a good example) and not see a single panhandler. So even if you're not seeing a huge PS message board contingent supporting panhandler love, I doubt the area is bound to be considered as brutishly cold-hearted as *shudder* Gravesend or Bensonhurst any time soon. -
I totally forgot to mention the goddamn homeless guy who annoys the F&%$#@ out of me -- the creep hanging out in Citibank on the weekends, who opens the door for you, watches you at the ATM Machine, and asks for money as you leave.
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Homeless or housed, as a woman I'm not comfortable shopping for fruit or taking money from an ATM with some tall guy hovering over me, asking me for money and/or calling me "fine stuff." It's not a race thing, it's not an income thing. It's not even a homeless guy thing. It's ANY BIG CREEPY MAN WHISPERING MAN MOVING INTO MY BUBBLE THING. I feel threathened when accosted on the street by any odd man. And the joke is on the beggars -- they might assume I'm rich because of the way I look, but my wallet is pathetically slim these days.
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The guy with the boombox was outside the store this morning (he's the one that yells). He had the crate in one hand, the boombox in the other.
No one would pull that crap unless he was allowed to do it by the owner. He was kindly asked to move so they could wash the sidewalk before moving into his usual position.
The beggars at that store are entirely too comfortable. I haven't seen that at any other store. At the very least most owners make their beggars stand.
Just to be clear, I don't mind all of the beggars/homeless people, just the ones who go out of their way to be loud, obnoxious, or feel the need to stop me. The ones in front of that store are all of the above, except for one.
I won't go into their store anymore and if I'm with someone else, I ask that we don't go into that store. They can have my business or beggars, not both. -
As has been pointed out, the people who own the store have no say in the matter, it's a legal issue, loitering I guess. If it bothers you enough, call the police, but don't blame the store owners.
mykidissmarterthanyourmom wrote: The guy with the boombox was outside the store this morning (he's the one that yells). He had the crate in one hand, the boombox in the other.
No one would pull that crap unless he was allowed to do it by the owner. He was kindly asked to move so they could wash the sidewalk before moving into his usual position.
The beggars at that store are entirely too comfortable. I haven't seen that at any other store. At the very least most owners make their beggars stand.
Just to be clear, I don't mind all of the beggars/homeless people, just the ones who go out of their way to be loud, obnoxious, or feel the need to stop me. The ones in front of that store are all of the above, except for one.
I won't go into their store anymore and if I'm with someone else, I ask that we don't go into that store. They can have my business or beggars, not both. -
steve wrote: Gee, I'm feeling a lot of compassion here from the great liberal masses of Park Slope. I know they're an annoyance, but c'mon. These people have a pretty rough lot in life, and you have to walk around them on the sidewalk? Ooh, that's rough.
I am totally in agreement with you!
These people need to focus their anger and agression elsewhere! -
mykidissmarterthanyourmom wrote:
while i disagree with your feeling about this issue, it might be a tad more sympathetic to feel something such as, "they can have my business or that beggar."
I won't go into their store anymore and if I'm with someone else, I ask that we don't go into that store. They can have my business or beggars, not both.
because there are some local "beggars"--a word i find offensive, btw. i prefer calling them homeless people--who are not obnoxious or disgusting or deeply annoying. -
brooklynpotter wrote: [quote=mykidissmarterthanyourmom]
while i disagree with your feeling about this issue, it might be a tad more sympathetic to feel something such as, "they can have my business or that beggar."
I won't go into their store anymore and if I'm with someone else, I ask that we don't go into that store. They can have my business or beggars, not both.
because there are some local "beggars"--a word i find offensive, btw. i prefer calling them homeless people--who are not obnoxious or disgusting or deeply annoying.
Hey, whatever makes you feel comfortable. Note, however, that while they are all quite literally beggars, they might not all be homeless.
Give them your money if it makes you feel good, but be self-aware enough to realize that's why you're doing it. You're nothing but a walking source of cash to these guys - if you have a "regular" street-friend, all that smiling and goodwill will dry up pretty quickly if you can no longer donate to his Georgi and pizza fund.
Oh! Hey, related subject - if you have Showtime check out Reversal of Fortune (it's also On Demand). It's not the von Bulow/Dershowitz story but a documentary wherein they give a homeless guy $100k. It's pretty good, even if the results are predictable.
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