Shooting on Franklin between President and Carroll streets
Happened around 3:15pm, after the schools let out.
Evidently, there was a dispute between 2 groups of teens. One ran home to get his gun, came back, and fired away. I'm not sure if both groups were armed, but I heard there were 2 non-fatal casualties, and there are about 30-40 police currently investigating the scene.
At the time of the shots, I was picking up my laundry from a laundromat that's nearly across from where the shots happened. I only heard the shots (luckily), but saw the one teen who ran to pick up his gun run past me on his way to go get it; and 4-5 minutes later, heard the shots.
From what I heard, one of the groups of teens turned east on Carroll (to the west is a dead end with a police station) and ran straight into a cop who was passing out a ticket, who arrested them. I'm not sure if the other group was caught as well.
The crazy thing is that the kid was so young - couldn't have been more than 16 - and, assuming he's convicted, will be haunted by having a record for the rest of his life.
Other notes: I got yelled at by a police for unintentionally walking through the crime scene (he even pointed out where one of the shell casing was (b/c I nearly stepped on it)).
Evidently, there was a dispute between 2 groups of teens. One ran home to get his gun, came back, and fired away. I'm not sure if both groups were armed, but I heard there were 2 non-fatal casualties, and there are about 30-40 police currently investigating the scene.
At the time of the shots, I was picking up my laundry from a laundromat that's nearly across from where the shots happened. I only heard the shots (luckily), but saw the one teen who ran to pick up his gun run past me on his way to go get it; and 4-5 minutes later, heard the shots.
From what I heard, one of the groups of teens turned east on Carroll (to the west is a dead end with a police station) and ran straight into a cop who was passing out a ticket, who arrested them. I'm not sure if the other group was caught as well.
The crazy thing is that the kid was so young - couldn't have been more than 16 - and, assuming he's convicted, will be haunted by having a record for the rest of his life.
Other notes: I got yelled at by a police for unintentionally walking through the crime scene (he even pointed out where one of the shell casing was (b/c I nearly stepped on it)).
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That is crazy to hear. I live on Carroll between Washington and Franklin, I bet I pick up my laundry at the same place. Yikes, this scares me. Sure, I know its not the absolute safest area but it frightens me that the teens I see in and around the neighborhood would and could go get a gun to shoot someone.
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These kids make me nuts...while most of them seem harmless, when they get together, it becomes a madhouse. I wonder if the parents are concerned at all? I mean, they have to have police patrol in the afternoon to make sure they get on the train and go home....and its like they're animals. If I was a parent with a kid in this school, I'd be pulling them out so fast their head would spin.
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Woah, WuW! Careful with your word choice ("they're animals") - I hope you're referring to how the police treat them, and not the kids, themselves.
You're right that most of them seem harmless, most likely b/c they are. I'm not sure what the deal is/was with the 2 groups who got into it today, but in the 4 years, I've lived here, this is the 1st time something like this has happened.
Having the police around only makes sense b/c a) we have 2 major high school campuses in the neighborhood (one in the Prospect Heights High School and one in Clara Barton (I think each houses multiple high schools, one per floor)); and b) I think a lot of these kids are coming from different neighborhoods, some even rougher than ours, i.e. Brownsville & East NY.
Put any large group of kids from different neighborhoods and schools into the same place, and you're going to get a fair bit of taunting, challenging, etc. between them. -
Yea, ok- they ACT like animals. I was a teacher, I've taught in Bed Stye, so I've seen the behavior up close (uh- a star 5th grader giving blow jobs to 2 boys at the same time?!?!?!). Animalistic behavior.
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1010 wins seems to be reporting this as someone shooting from a rooftop.
...different from pwaltman's account.
http://www.1010wins.com/Possible-Bklyn-Rooftop-Shooting/6752617
(note I wasn't there, but the stories aren't real similar unless the kid returned with gun and then went to roof...) -
These kids do act like animals. They have no manners and absolutely no home training.... I work on Smith Street and have had numerous encounters when the kids are walking to the train after school. I know they are not the same kids as up on Franklin but they behave the same way.They have tried to break the plate glass windows they have thrown snowballs at customers and staff when the door was opened during the winter. I have been called devil white bitch (this is my favorite since I am Puerto-Rican). These kids are out of control and maybe if the cops start locking them up it may deter one or two from acting out. And I am the mother of a 16 year old not just some complaining citizen.....
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A buddy who lives on President just off Franklin said a shooting happened right outside his apartment two weeks ago. Like I said, Im on Carroll between Washington and Franklin. I keep my eye on the kids because I have been called "Faggot" and what not but I never thought the kids would escalate to guns.
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The 1010wins account said that the shooter might've been on a rooftop, but obviously, I don't know the full story. A reporter asked me if I saw anything, and asked about the rooftop as well, so who knows.
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someone (a kid or not) shooting at a group of kids from a roof as they get out of school is more than a few standard deviations from even typical juvenile delinquent criminal behavior....
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I don't want to live here anymore. Time to move
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CTK, if you look at this in context it may actually be getting better.
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whynot_31 wrote: CTK, if you look at this in context it may actually be getting better.
I'm OK w/drug dealers doing home invasions
(but yea, it sucks)
But little chowderhead teenagers shooting at each other in broad daylight on the street?
What part of that is good? -
You read the part about it sucking, right? I'm just thinking this area is actually improving since I moved here in 2003
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I feel it's time for the city to implement a guns for books and pencils program.
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Cool The Kid wrote: I don't want to live here anymore. Time to move
Seems like you should have moved a long time ago. -
President is the WORST street between Bedford/Franklin/Classon. There is always some foolishness going on up there. If it's not the kids it's some other group of knuckle heads. Seems like anytime there is a shooting in this part of CH, it's on that block somewhere.
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Ishtar wrote: [quote=Cool The Kid]I don't want to live here anymore. Time to move
Seems like you should have moved a long time ago.
I'm with Cool- after 11 years in this nabe, I realize its not the way I want to live anymore. -
Whatchuwant wrote: [quote=Ishtar][quote=Cool The Kid]I don't want to live here anymore. Time to move
Seems like you should have moved a long time ago.
I'm with Cool- after 11 years in this nabe, I realize its not the way I want to live anymore.
Why did you move here in the first place? There really are safer neighborhoods with comparable rents in Brooklyn. -
Subject: Clara Barton High School
I believe that most of the kids involved (and I am sure that at least one of the victims) were students at Clara Barton High School. It's not broken into smaller schools (yet) but is a single school, one of the worst in Brooklyn. It used to be one of the best, but it's now a sad reflection of what it could have been....as well as a scandal-ridden den of corruption. The new Principal "Dr." Richard Forman (A Chiropractor) is known as "The Closer," his last two schools having been shut down. Discipline in the school is a joke, and crime in the school is covered up, not reported. I wasn't at all surprised to hear about this...anyone who has used the Franklin Ave. subway station after school is dismissed has had to deal with rude, unruly gangs of teenagers (and young adults, they have 19 year old freshmen at Barton!)
Clara Barton needs to be shut down immediately.
By the way, by my last count they had FIFTEEN Assistant Principals at Barton, each earning in the neighborhood of $100,000 to $150,000 dollars....almost two million bucks for assistant principals who don't do ANYTHING...... -
Last year alone:
1 teacher arrested for groping a student
1 teacher left after her students discovered her porno blog "Gang Bang Lottery" including nude photos of herself (and using her real name)
1 Assistant Principal caught selling Mary Kay out of her office during school hours.
School investigated for Title 1 fraud....they were filling out "free lunch forms" for students and making the kids sign their parents names.
Social Studies Dept. distributes Communist newspaper to students on a regular basis ("don't tell anyone where you got this")
Principal covered up theft of two computerized dolls used in nursing program (worth thousands of dollars)
the list goes on....and on....and on..... -
Ishtar wrote: [quote=Whatchuwant][quote=Ishtar][quote=Cool The Kid]I don't want to live here anymore. Time to move
Seems like you should have moved a long time ago.
I'm with Cool- after 11 years in this nabe, I realize its not the way I want to live anymore.
Why did you move here in the first place? There really are safer neighborhoods with comparable rents in Brooklyn.
First of all, why the combative attitude towards people who are fed up with the crime and low safety in the neighborhood? Safety is a pretty basic need... no apt is cheap enough to warrant not feeling safe walking the streets near your home
Second of all, I moved to CH because I had a decent experience in PH, and at the time I moved "out East" my gf and I were really pressed to find a place on short notice. Our place fit *most* of our requirements- spacious, relatively cheap, nice details, close enough to the train. A commute longer than 40-50 mins each way is just too much, and CH just happens to be right on the border of that. We looked in Williamsburg & Greenpoint and all the stuff we saw was absolute crap (we moved mid December 2008).
But after having my car broken into + my stereo stolen, having a bike stolen, a recent break in into my neighbor's apt (they didn't take anything), AND the seemingly growing number of aimless teenage mobs, I'm realizing that for 1300 a month all the stress and headaches are not worth it.
Plus, when we moved the Manhattan apt market was pretty expensive... combined w/my raises since then + the tanking of the Manhattan markets is making things more attractive there. For ~1700-1800/mo I could get a slightly smaller 1 BR in the UES or the village or wherever... it's a no brainer. So yea I am moving ASAP, prob in May or June -
I heard about this last night on 1010 as I was driving back in to the city after a couple of days upstate for work. Needless to say, I was shocked. I don't know the whole length of Franklin very well, but I was surprised to hear where and when this shooting occurred, because, to me, Franklin seems like an unlikely location for this.
It's a blow for Crown Heights' overall steps toward improvement. Nothing will turn someone off about a neighborhood more than random violence in the middle of the afternoon. -
Cool The Kid wrote: [quote=Ishtar][quote=Whatchuwant][quote=Ishtar][quote=Cool The Kid]I don't want to live here anymore. Time to move
Seems like you should have moved a long time ago.
I'm with Cool- after 11 years in this nabe, I realize its not the way I want to live anymore.
Why did you move here in the first place? There really are safer neighborhoods with comparable rents in Brooklyn.
First of all, why the combative attitude towards people who are fed up with the crime and low safety in the neighborhood? Safety is a pretty basic need... no apt is cheap enough to warrant not feeling safe walking the streets near your home
Second of all, I moved to CH because I had a decent experience in PH, and at the time I moved "out East" my gf and I were really pressed to find a place on short notice. Our place fit *most* of our requirements- spacious, relatively cheap, nice details, close enough to the train. A commute longer than 40-50 mins each way is just too much, and CH just happens to be right on the border of that. We looked in Williamsburg & Greenpoint and all the stuff we saw was absolute crap (we moved mid December 2008).
But after having my car broken into + my stereo stolen, having a bike stolen, a recent break in into my neighbor's apt (they didn't take anything), AND the seemingly growing number of aimless teenage mobs, I'm realizing that for 1300 a month all the stress and headaches are not worth it.
Plus, when we moved the Manhattan apt market was pretty expensive... combined w/my raises since then + the tanking of the Manhattan markets is making things more attractive there. For ~1700-1800/mo I could get a slightly smaller 1 BR in the UES or the village or wherever... it's a no brainer. So yea I am moving ASAP, prob in May or June
Uhm...that's all nice, but I wasn't asking you. I was asking Whatchuwant because he/she has lived in the area for 11 years, which means they were here when it was pretty rough AND they've seen the changes over the years. I don't particulary care why YOU moved here, which is why I didn't quote YOU directly. -
BKChickie wrote: I heard about this last night on 1010 as I was driving back in to the city after a couple of days upstate for work. Needless to say, I was shocked. I don't know the whole length of Franklin very well, but I was surprised to hear where and when this shooting occurred, because, to me, Franklin seems like an unlikely location for this.
I heard from people who live on that stretch that the shooting wasn't random at all.
It's a blow for Crown Heights' overall steps toward improvement. Nothing will turn someone off about a neighborhood more than random violence in the middle of the afternoon. -
Shocking as it is to hear about shootings at three in the afternoon, this incident doesn't seem like random violence. The 1010wins report about shots from a rooftop doesn't mean it wasn't one gang targeting another.
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Subject: Re: Clara Barton High School
MikemMarlowe wrote: I wasn't at all surprised to hear about this...anyone who has used the Franklin Ave. subway station after school is dismissed has had to deal with rude, unruly gangs of teenagers (and young adults, they have 19 year old freshmen at Barton!)
This is why I tend to take the B/Q in the morning if I don't leave for work early. Those kids cause so many problems in the nabe. It's wonderful during the summer when they aren't around. -
MikemMarlowe wrote: Last year alone:
How did you hear about all this? I'm not challenging you on the veracity of it, I'm just curious if this is publicly available or if you need to know someone who's in the know to hear about this stuff.
1 teacher arrested for groping a student
1 teacher left after her students discovered her porno blog "Gang Bang Lottery" including nude photos of herself (and using her real name)
1 Assistant Principal caught selling Mary Kay out of her office during school hours.
School investigated for Title 1 fraud....they were filling out "free lunch forms" for students and making the kids sign their parents names.
Social Studies Dept. distributes Communist newspaper to students on a regular basis ("don't tell anyone where you got this")
Principal covered up theft of two computerized dolls used in nursing program (worth thousands of dollars)
the list goes on....and on....and on..... -
Ishtar wrote: [quote=Whatchuwant][quote=Ishtar][quote=Cool The Kid]I don't want to live here anymore. Time to move
Seems like you should have moved a long time ago.
I'm with Cool- after 11 years in this nabe, I realize its not the way I want to live anymore.
Why did you move here in the first place? There really are safer neighborhoods with comparable rents in Brooklyn.
At the time when I moved in, I had just gotten out of a bad break-up and needed a place immediately. It was a roommate situation and the place wasn't mine. After a year, the leaseholder moved to Nola and my other roomie was going to take it over- I hated the nabe, so I didn't care. The rent was SO cheap at the time- $1050 for a 4 bedroom/2 bath. Then roomie said she didn't want it- so, for me, the price (even after the 20% mark-up) was still very much worth it.
Bottom line- financial reasons and the fact that I don't know anyone that has the deal that I have for what I have.
There's no safer neighborhood that has a 4 bed/2bath for what I pay. -
Whatchuwant wrote: At the time when I moved in, I had just gotten out of a bad break-up and needed a place immediately. It was a roommate situation and the place wasn't mine. After a year, the leaseholder moved to Nola and my other roomie was going to take it over- I hated the nabe, so I didn't care. The rent was SO cheap at the time- $1050 for a 4 bedroom/2 bath. Then roomie said she didn't want it- so, for me, the price (even after the 20% mark-up) was still very much worth it.
@ the bolded - If I had a dollar for every one of those stories. My friend is going through that now. She's moving to Flatlands this weekend. I'll never go to her place for drinks.
Bottom line- financial reasons and the fact that I don't know anyone that has the deal that I have for what I have.
There's no safer neighborhood that has a 4 bed/2bath for what I pay.
@ the rest - That's understandable. I always find it interesting the trade-offs people are willing to make. I could have found cheaper rent if I'd taken an apartment off Nostrand and Bergen, but THAT area of CH is just a bit too much for me. -
I thought I liked this forum but it seems whenever there is a serious discussion it becomes a pissing contest. How long have you lived here bullshit, who is more real. We are talking about people getting shot by a gun, being sent to a hospital. It all seems so selfish when people discuss how THEY have seen the neighborhood change, how much their rent is/was - we should discuss logical, realistic ways to curb gun violence. I am not saying I have the answers but I get tired when people talk shit behind a computer screen
People hiding behind computer screens being fucking assholes to each other does not help.
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