Body found in Ford Explorer on Eastern Pkwy

whynot_31 wrote: FWIW- this address is at Eastern Parkway and Ralph. Ralph is east of Utica, which is east of Nostrand.....

That's practically Brownsville.

I was in the area yesterday. Not as scary as KWAC makes it seem, but yea definitely nowhere to live

Capt. Planet wrote: Yes, and definitetly not to be confused with Classon Avenue and EPW, which some posters insist is also in Crown Heights.

I don't want to open that can of worms, but demographically Classon and EPW isn't much different than say, NYA and EPW. However it's definitely not RALPH and EPW....

I did see a white woman on Bergen and Saratoga that was not Julie Beverley though.

Capt. Planet wrote: Yes, and definitetly not to be confused with Classon Avenue and EPW, which some posters insist is also in Crown Heights.

Yes. Or with 8th Ave and Montgomery, which some posters "insist" is in Park Slope.
:roll:

Well, there most certainly is an "East" Prospect Heights...

Crown Heights.

Capt. Planet wrote: [quote=Carnivore][quote=Capt. Planet]Yes, and definitetly not to be confused with Classon Avenue and EPW, which some posters insist is also in Crown Heights.

Yes. Or with 8th Ave and Montgomery, which some posters "insist" is in Park Slope.
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Actually those who really knew would insist on calling it "North Slope", as opposed to Middle Slope or South Slope.
Ever hear anyone say East Crown Heights?
No. Those who are actually from here call it Park Slope. "South Slope" is an accepted new concoction of a neighborhood. And "north" as a descriptor to specify which part of Park Slope you're talking about is fine. But to say that 8th and Montgomery is not in Park Slope but in "North Slope" makes no sense, except perhaps in Corcoran fantasy land.

Kind of like how if you say "Greenwich Village" everyone knows you're not talking about the East Village.

Whatchuwant wrote: [quote=whynot_31]For some reason, I don't think folks near the Crown Heights boarder of Brownsville and East NY go around insisting (and correcting people) they live in Crown Heights.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the differences seem to be less distinct.

...something about wanting to spend quality time in either hood

You are wrong.
I am completely on the border of PH and I make sure to let people know I live firmly in CH.

Stop assuming, Whynot.

Ah, but you are on the boarder of CH and PH. ...and take pride in saying you live in "CH not PH".

I am wondering whether those who live further east, (on the border of CH and East NY OR the border of CH and Brownsville), feel thier nieghborhoods are "distinct".

YOU people. I've lived in Brownsville. Instead of examing how a neighborhood becomes bad, you are so busy diddling yourselves about your proximity to Park Slope.It's funny how coy you guys are about race and class. It's the twenty-first century and most white people believe that THEY make a neighborhood good. Just as THEY believe that THEY discovered the 'New World' as if the people who lived here didn't know where they were. Why do I bring that up? Because there is no difference between what Columbus did, and what YOU PEOPLE do.
As soon as you move in, 'the natives' become background to your aspirations. It's utterly disgusting.

It's amazing. The arrogance of white supremacy in its many effing forms.

Whatchuwant wrote: [quote=whynot_31]

Ah, but you are on the boarder of CH and PH. ...and take pride in saying you live in CH "not PH".

I am wondering whether those who live on the border of CH and East NY OR the border of CH and Brownsville, feel thier nieghborhoods are "distinct".

Why wouldn't they? Then again, maybe they don't care, but WHO CARES about whether people who live in that area care or not that they're in one particular nabe or not. I mean, this minutiae is a bit wearing (and completely unproductive to the convo at hand), doncha think?

Can we concentrate on the dead body and the circumstances surrounding it? This may not have happened in my nabe, but it is my street, so I actually care.

Well, -sadly- a dead body found on that stretch of EP isn't particularly news worthy. Yesterday, I typed in the address on google and found that only News12 and Save Brooklyn Now bothered to cover it at all. (the recent school shooting got much more coverage, likely b/c it involved kids and happened in the middle of the afternoon).

...I'd talk about (concentrate on) the shooting, but there isn't many details and it seems few people are interested.

...people seem to want thier neighborhoods to have distinct identities as a result of all sorts of factors:
Race
Income
School Districts
Reputation re: crime
(I'm sure I forgot a few)

Lately, some CH folks (those between Washington and Franklin) have seemed to want defect from CH because they feel their "identity and culture" (my words) are more similar to those of those living west of Washington (aka PH). Meanwhile, some PH folks have responded with the equivalent of "nope, you don't belong as part of us". It's all thinly veiled way of saying:
"They aren't us, we are different"

Brownsville and ENY have reputations, but I wonder if the folks living out in "eastern Crown Heights" feel a need to seperate themselves.

Do the folks in Eastern CH feel their 'hood is distinct from Brownsville and ENY on the basis of Race, Income, School Districts and Crime ....or do they feel the neighborhoods have more in common than they are different?

Clearly, people are willing to pay big money (aka premiums) to live in the "right" neighborhoods. To my knowledge, CH doesn't command a very big premium over ENY or Brownsville... but I can't say I've shopped real estate that far West on EP.

Carnivore wrote: [quote=whynot_31]Meanwhile, some PH folks have responded with the equivalent of "nope, you don't belong as part of us".

I think it would be more accurate to say that we responded, "No, that's a different neighborhood. Don't disrespect your neighbors by trying to change the name just because you moved there."

You have a point. But I've certainly perceived some folks as being threatened by the proposal that their neighborhood PH is expanding.

...we also haven't heard from many CH people who say "no, don't defect! I love my new neighbors. Damn you PH, you can't have Grand Ave and Classon!"
(nope, never heard it)

It's as if the "disputed zone between Washington and Franklin" will be accepted someday in the future, once they meet vague criteria.

...kinda like how it was accepted in the late '90s that the border of PH was actually Underhill Ave, but now some 10 years later, it has expanded to Washington.

My personal favorite is when they rely on neighborhood architecture as an explanation. Clearly, it's not just a matter of brownstones. One can find brownstones pretty far west, and throughout much of Brooklyn (including CH, Bed stuy etc).

It's not magic, its demographics.

Subject: Going Rates For 2 Bedrooms East Of Nostrand Ave

$2,300 - 2 Bedroom 853 Prospect Place @ NY Ave in Crown Heights

Though I think $1,600 is the going rate for a 2 bedroom around New York Ave and Prospect Pl.

Do you think the dead guy cares what area he was found in?

Carnivore wrote: [quote=catwalkertexasranger]Do you think the dead guy cares what area he was found in?

In fairness, I don't think the dead guy cares about anything at this point.

and given the lack of news coverage, it seems there isn't much interest in the dead guy or his "neighborhood of death" from NYC at large either.

...we don't know his name or much about him.
...we don't who shot him in the head.
...we don't know why someone shot him in the head.

basically, all we have to talk about is where he was found.

Snowboard, damn, those rates are high.
I hope the rates get cheaper as out gets out near Ralph Ave. Not many neighborhood amenities out there.

That rental rate seems crazy. My wife and I moved from Prospect Heights to Crown Heights (just east of Franklin) over five years ago in search of cheaper rent - back then there wasn't really much suggestion that the PH border is as far east as Franklin - and are now looking to buy somewhere near us or further east. Is the neighborhood safer now thanit was when we moved? Maybe. Have we ever been hassled or brough to task for being "different"? Nope. I can say that the pricing on your average for-sale brownstone is significantly different west of Franklin as opposed to between Franklin and say Kingston, although anything in the immediate vicinity of Brower Park/Children's Museum does command higher pricing.

But $2,300 for a two bedroom rental? Highway robbery.

Capt. Planet wrote: Somehow this whole neighborhood naming thing brings to mind the question of "world view". Some folks seem to prefer the idea of God as watchmaker, who designed the universe and then split for the coast, so to speak.
Others are more comfortable with the expanding universe theory, the Big Bang theory, which suggests that the universe is constantly expanding.
Some even suggest that there are multiple universes, each existing in parallel with the others. A variation on this theme is seen in The Matrix, where the "real" universe is visible only to an enlightened few and most live in a fantasy world imported into their brains by some external "dream maker".
Which suggests to me why some folks are so opposed to the idea that neighborhood boundaries change over time: it conflicts with their world view.

Like how for some people no amount evidence will change their world view about things like the safety of GM food.

Wave your hands all you want, but this has nothing to do with "world view" and everything to do with facts on the ground. And magic daddies in the sky certainly don't enter into it.