People Need to WAKE up!!
Black pols, church leaders rip cops for storming Crown Heights church in pursuit of suspect
BY John Lauinger and Erin Durkin
DAILY NEWS WRITERS
Monday, May 10th 2010, 4:00 AM
HandoutVideo image provided by Shiloh Seventh-Day Adventist Church in Crown Heights, Brooklyn, shows arrest of Kendall Jones on Friday night (SEE VIDEO AT BOTTOM OF PAGE). Take our PollSanctuary?
Should the police have chased a suspect into a church, as they did in Brooklyn?
Yes, they can't just let a potential criminal get away.
No, they should have asked the leaders of the church first.
I'm not sure.
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Police chased Kendall Jones, 18, into the Shiloh Seventh-Day Adventist Church Friday night after he dumped a stolen car and fled.
"The police violated the sanctity of this house of worship," said Assemblyman Hakeem Jeffries (D-Crown Heights). "The police conducted themselves as if they were raiding a crack house as opposed to being in a house of worship."
He said police would have acted with more restraint in a white neighborhood.
"This type of police behavior would not have occurred at St. Patrick's Cathedral," said Jeffries, who was joined at a press conference by Councilwoman Letitia James (WFP-Prospect Heights) and state Sen. Eric Adams (D-Flatbush).
Cops said they did nothing wrong and pointed out that Jones drove the wrong way down a one-way street and up on a sidewalk.
"Police acted appropriately in apprehending as quickly as possible an individual who was endangering the public," the NYPD said.
A police source said cops spotted Jones driving the Nissan Maxima the wrong way down Lincoln Place and nabbed him as he was fleeing to the church roof.
Jones, who is a member of the church, was hit with 11 charges, including grand larceny and reckless driving.
His lawyer, Mark Pollard, said the car belonged to a friend's mother.
"All these charges are trumped up," he added.
He said the cops kicked Jones in the head and punched him in the stomach when they found him.
First Elder Peter Leonce said cops ignored his offers to negotiate the suspect's surrender and demanded an apology.
He said more than 100 parishioners celebrating services were shaken up by the raid. "They were scared. Some of them were in a state of panic," he said.
City Council Public Safety Committee Chairman Peter Vallone (D-Astoria) dismissed the complaints.
"Sanctuary ended in the Middle Ages," he said.
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BY John Lauinger and Erin Durkin
DAILY NEWS WRITERS
Monday, May 10th 2010, 4:00 AM
HandoutVideo image provided by Shiloh Seventh-Day Adventist Church in Crown Heights, Brooklyn, shows arrest of Kendall Jones on Friday night (SEE VIDEO AT BOTTOM OF PAGE). Take our PollSanctuary?
Should the police have chased a suspect into a church, as they did in Brooklyn?
Yes, they can't just let a potential criminal get away.
No, they should have asked the leaders of the church first.
I'm not sure.
Related NewsArticlesBloomberg plans surveillance trip to LondonLocals irked as Amtrak takes the ax to more than 100 treesBlaming New York State's convenient but not the whole truthBrutal murder of Ecuadoran not a hate crime, jury saysPols revise mandatory amount of sick days to quell fears by small businessesBlack politicians and church leaders blasted cops Sunday for storming a Crown Heights church during services to pursue a suspect in a traffic incident.
Police chased Kendall Jones, 18, into the Shiloh Seventh-Day Adventist Church Friday night after he dumped a stolen car and fled.
"The police violated the sanctity of this house of worship," said Assemblyman Hakeem Jeffries (D-Crown Heights). "The police conducted themselves as if they were raiding a crack house as opposed to being in a house of worship."
He said police would have acted with more restraint in a white neighborhood.
"This type of police behavior would not have occurred at St. Patrick's Cathedral," said Jeffries, who was joined at a press conference by Councilwoman Letitia James (WFP-Prospect Heights) and state Sen. Eric Adams (D-Flatbush).
Cops said they did nothing wrong and pointed out that Jones drove the wrong way down a one-way street and up on a sidewalk.
"Police acted appropriately in apprehending as quickly as possible an individual who was endangering the public," the NYPD said.
A police source said cops spotted Jones driving the Nissan Maxima the wrong way down Lincoln Place and nabbed him as he was fleeing to the church roof.
Jones, who is a member of the church, was hit with 11 charges, including grand larceny and reckless driving.
His lawyer, Mark Pollard, said the car belonged to a friend's mother.
"All these charges are trumped up," he added.
He said the cops kicked Jones in the head and punched him in the stomach when they found him.
First Elder Peter Leonce said cops ignored his offers to negotiate the suspect's surrender and demanded an apology.
He said more than 100 parishioners celebrating services were shaken up by the raid. "They were scared. Some of them were in a state of panic," he said.
City Council Public Safety Committee Chairman Peter Vallone (D-Astoria) dismissed the complaints.
"Sanctuary ended in the Middle Ages," he said.
[email protected]
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2010/05/10/2010-05-10_cops_hit_for_barging_into_church_service_pols_clergy_blast_police_for_lack_of_re.html#ixzz0nWgOe1j4
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If this is their attitude about churches the perp made a smart move
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If you watch the video on nydailynews.com, you'll see how quickly the whole thing was over. There were maybe 50 people in that church, no where near 100.
The perp was driving a stolen car on the sidewalk when he was observed by officers. The perp fled on foot from the vehicle to S/B Bedford Ave and then down Eastern Pkwy and into the church with the officers close behind. Perp fled to the rear of the church and up a back staircase to the roof where he was apprehended.
Does it matter if a church elder offers to help negotiate? What is there to negotiate? He is a perp and will be arrested. It doesn't sound like there is much to discuss.
Oh, and about the headline...Storming Crown Heights church? I never thought that 8 cops chasing a perp is storming? If it was St. Patrick's Cathedral, we would have needed alot more cops to search the place. -
He said police would have acted with more restraint in a white neighborhood.
If this man really did all that, no wonder cops pursued him the way they did. When someone drives the wrong way down a one way street and all up on the sidewalk "law abiding citizen" doesn't come to mind.
"This type of police behavior would not have occurred at St. Patrick's Cathedral," said Jeffries, who was joined at a press conference by Councilwoman Letitia James (WFP-Prospect Heights) and state Sen. Eric Adams (D-Flatbush).
Cops said they did nothing wrong and pointed out that Jones drove the wrong way down a one-way street and up on a sidewalk.
"Police acted appropriately in apprehending as quickly as possible an individual who was endangering the public," the NYPD said.
A police source said cops spotted Jones driving the Nissan Maxima the wrong way down Lincoln Place and nabbed him as he was fleeing to the church roof.
Also, Jeffries et. al. are being hella extra. While I do agree that houses of worship shouldn't have to deal with these types of intrusions, I also think those who get caught breaking the law shouldn't be allowed to seek refuge in them, member or not. I hope at least one member of this congregation reminded this jackass that the lord has called on his people to follow the law of the land. -
Subject: Re: People Need to WAKE up!!
pols, church leaders rip cops for storming Crown Heights church in pursuit of suspect
Err..wha? Place looks empty in the video. Not during a service, looks like literally just a handful of people there.
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First Elder Peter Leonce said cops ignored his offers to negotiate the suspect's surrender and demanded an apology.
He said more than 100 parishioners celebrating services were shaken up by the raid. "They were scared. Some of them were in a state of panic," he said.
One even pointed the police in the right direction.
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Totally justified for the police. Just because people pray there doesn't mean people can hide out there- it's not a neutral zone.
And if you run from the cops, you probably deserve a punch in the head. -
Yes, Jeffries is being silly. If the suspect was an armed loon who grabbed some worshipful old woman and held her hostage AND THERE WERE NO COPS AROUND - then we'd be hearing holy hell about how cops don't do squat.
Jerkoff suspect deserves a beating just for scaring whoever the hell was trying to get their prayer on when he busted in like a maniac. -
Now that the police have showed such determination by raiding a church to catch someone allegedly guilty of a traffic offense, I hope that they will continue to use the same show of strength to break up any remaining drug dens that still exist in CH, and when I say any, I mean the one on my block.
People should not be angry at the police for trying to apprehend a suspect. They should, however, be pissed off that this so called "member" who is the cause of the police running into the church. The cops were trying to do their job. It's the idiot law breaker who decided to disrespect the sanctity of the church and its sanctuary by running into it with the police on his heels. What did he think - that once he crossed the thresh-hold the church would act as some type of invisible immovable force field? -
nearnostrand wrote: Now that the police have showed such determination by raiding a church to catch someone allegedly guilty of a traffic offense, I hope that they will continue to use the same show of strength to break up any remaining drug dens that still exist in CH, and when I say any, I mean the one on my block.
Driving a STOLEN CAR is a little more than a traffic offense...It's a felony. -
...why do I think this genius lived within 3 blocks of said church, and chose to run into the church b/c as a member he thought he knew the good hiding spot?
Surely someone should get our fine Councilwoman's Letitia James opinion of the video and see if she wishes to change her opinion. nah, why bother.
Damn, it's gotten to the point where churches feel the need to have video cameras?
Notes to self: When driving stolen car, do not drive wrong way or on sidewalk. Do not run into church thinking that god will thwart the pursuing officers with lightning. -
ParadeRest wrote: [quote=nearnostrand]Now that the police have showed such determination by raiding a church to catch someone allegedly guilty of a traffic offense, I hope that they will continue to use the same show of strength to break up any remaining drug dens that still exist in CH, and when I say any, I mean the one on my block.
Driving a STOLEN CAR is a little more than a traffic offense...It's a felony.
Duly noted. I'm glad they caught the suspect and I still hope that the police forcefully roll up on the remaining vestiges of drug den-ery in my area. -
haha Wake up to what? Some thug commits a crime and some racists scream about cops and whites. Yeah, wake up indeed....yawn.
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Speaking of waking up, I offer the following.
http://blip.tv/file/2167686 "No Guns for Negros"
Took me 5 minutes to figure out the position they were taking but I whole heartily agree with it. -
What ever your spin on this story, it made for a hell of an interesting meeting at the monthly 77th Precinct Community Council meeting on Monday. Right in the middle of introducing the new CO, Capt. Elvio Cappoci, out breaks this conflagration between those outraged by the intrusion into a house of worship and those justifying the police actions. A lot of senior brass were there for the event, which made for even more input. And of course the ubiquitous Councilwoman James had to throw in her two cents (incensed) while Al Vann silently came and left without uttering a work.
Now a video of that meeting would be interesting!
Thanks,
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Should police pursue a suspect into a church during a ceremony? Yes.
The thing that sticks out for me in this story is that pursuing officers didn't consider the preist's offer to peacefully resolve the dispute. The 'quick and dirty' method works in high school science labs, but not on the socially and politically dynamic streets of NYC and Brooklyn; it loses the hearts and minds. The NYPD has proven time and again that they do not care about peaceful conflict resolution. Sometimes that backfires when the situation gets heated; people die... or get kicked in the head.
NYPD polices with an iron fist and not a quick wit. I give kudos to the priest for at least attempting to protect the boy from the overzealous cops, and proliferating a calm amidst chaos in a populated house of peace. What he did took the utmost self-control and should be lauded. -
tonypags314 wrote:
The criminal is still alive AFTER putting folks lives at risk driving the wrong way down a one way street and on the sidewalk. Seems like it was peacefully resolved.
The thing that sticks out for me in this story is that pursuing officers didn't consider the preist's offer to peacefully resolve the dispute. -
tonypags314 wrote: Should police pursue a suspect into a church during a ceremony? Yes.
Protecting the boy from what? Being arrested for grand theft auto?
The thing that sticks out for me in this story is that pursuing officers didn't consider the preist's offer to peacefully resolve the dispute. The 'quick and dirty' method works in high school science labs, but not on the socially and politically dynamic streets of NYC and Brooklyn; it loses the hearts and minds. The NYPD has proven time and again that they do not care about peaceful conflict resolution. Sometimes that backfires when the situation gets heated; people die... or get kicked in the head.
NYPD polices with an iron fist and not a quick wit. I give kudos to the priest for at least attempting to protect the boy from the overzealous cops, and proliferating a calm amidst chaos in a populated house of peace. What he did took the utmost self-control and should be lauded. -
There was no priest, either. Peter Leonce is a First Elder, whatever that means...
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Hi tonypags.
Some questions for you:
Since when to priests or any other semi-clergy have any control over people fleeing the scene of a crime?
Do they have training in protecting the public from and apprehending suspects fleeing crimes, especially ones where public safety was already threatened?
What's to stop the perp, who's already in the process of fleeing the police, and knowing the police are coming in the front, from continuing to sneak out the back while the priest (or non-priest, or whatever he was) comes out to speak to the police?
If he ditched the car and was already running from the police, he's already shown poor judgment. What's to stop him from fleeing further and putting more folks at risk than he already has?
If anything it's the fleeing perp that caused the chaos in a "populated" (ha, that probably gets better with each re-telling, in spite of actual video showing it nearly empty) house of peace, is it not?
How are the police "overzealous" for following a wrong-way driving, stolen car car chase perp that's already demonstrated disregard for public safety?
Isn't that exactly the job we entrust them to do?
Let me know when you get past those, I am sure there are plenty more.
Guy was a fool for doing what he did with the car.
Guy was a fool for driving recklessly and fleeing the police.
Guy was a fool for turning into a church and putting countless (hundreds, I say!
) of others in harm's way for his own selfish and irresponsible actions.
But yeah, as someone above or elsewhere already noted...
Guy was **brilliant** for turning into a church in racially-charged
Crown Heights, Brooklyn to instantly and irreversibly make this
all about the cops and not at all about him.
Bravo. -
jeffrey wrote:
Good to know. For a minute I thought someone was going to say our fine politicians and the First Elder are brilliant. (not really. Ok, not at all).
Guy was **brilliant** for turning into a church in racially-charged
Crown Heights, Brooklyn to instantly and irreversibly make this
all about the cops and not at all about him.
Bravo.
--more fantasy--
Sgt to Cop over police radio: Did you catch him?
Cop to Sgt: We stopped chasing him. Our felony suspect fled into a chruch, and we are now waiting out front.
Sgt to Cop: While you were chasing him, did you ensure that he was a member of the church and had no intentions of taking hostages once he was inside the church?
Cop to Sgt: Yes, we followed procedure.
Sgt to Cop: Good job
ah, fantasy. -
Hah, totally.
To that I'd add the following...
Ongoing calls to police and politicians:
You don't do enough to protect and serve our community!!!
(And before anyone misinterprets this, sure there are issues. But folks can't both call for appropriate attention and action and then block or protest it when it is pursued) -
Wow I'm impressed! I actually was gonna respond to this one, but I'm glad I didn't have to. Look likes things are turning around on Brooklynian, Ya know I might just stick around!
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LMAO
who cares if it's a stupid church? the man stole a car and was putting people in danger. this isn't about anyone's retarded religion or anyone being black.
OMG MY HOUSE OF WORSHIP
get a life -
(i love how no one was mad that the CRIMINAL stormed their beloved HOUSE OF WORSHIP)
arrest a criminal in JESUS' HOME???? ::faints::
they should gut all these churches and turn them into community recreation centers for neighborhood kids. -
if he ran into sharpton's church, i wonder how much al would have made on him.
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LOL. That's funny Hamilton, I give you that one....
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