Shooting today around 11 am Franklin Lincoln NW corner

Boygabriel wrote: [quote=spnder][quote=catwalkertexasranger]
Joe it's best not to walk your dog over Franklin toward Bedford.

Wow. Get a grip, guys.

I would say that trying to avoid hot corners is about as rational and level-headed as one could be.

And I would say to read everything critically and be measured in your responses. I'm not discounting what Catwalker has to say, but it is presented in an alarmist fashion.

mr. met wrote: and in reference to the comment on ILoveFranklinAve...why did a drug dealer randomly shoot that person's brother five times? don't get me wrong, it's awful and the guy obviously didn't deserve to die, but it seems weird to me that a drug dealer would shoot an upstanding citizen 5 times in broad daylight.

No one said it was random. Not even the brother. There are very few shootings that are random, but I'm guessing almost all of them are senseless.

jeffrey wrote: [quote=Boygabriel]I would say that trying to avoid hot corners is about as rational and level-headed as one could be.

One possible solution:



Hilarious!

= )

But seriously,

this is TONIGHT:


Thurs, 5/20: Crown Heights Emergency Town Hall Meeting
http://brooklynian.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=57502

brooklynleather wrote: EMERGENCY TOWN HALL MEETING



Meeting Date: Thursday May 20, 2010



Topic: Addressing the evening mugging by three individuals and brutal beating of a resident on Lincoln Place, who was sent to the hospital and treated for a concussion and cuts to his body. Also, increased shootings in Crown Heights

Location: 284 New York Avenue (entrance on Lincoln Place)

Time: 6:30pm

Guest Speakers: Captain Elvio Capocci

New Commanding officer of the 77th Precinct

NYS Senator Eric Adams

NYS Assemblyman Karim Camara

District Leader Jesse Hamilton



Agenda: Discussion on how to address the rising crime issues in our neighborhood to protect our families. Also, the creation of a volunteer community car patrol, with funding from Assemblyman Karim Camara.

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From the president of the Kingston-Bergen Block Association:

Subject: New Leader at 77th Precinct

Captain Elvio Capocci is the new captain for the 77th Precinct.
He has been there now for two weeks.
Outgoing Deputy Inspector John Cosgrove thoroughly instructed him as to the active investigations and trouble spots within our precinct.
I have attended at least two (2) meetings where Captain Capocci met with the community. He has stated that he will run the precinct such that his door is always open to meet with the community. He stresses that the community must alert him to any new (or ongoing) matters within the precinct, otherwise his response will be that he wasn't notified. So therefore, it is important for EVERYONE who wants to know what is going on in the community and have a say in how the policing that our tax dollars pay for is run within our community, to come to the "emergency town hall meeting", community precinct meetings, or community board meetings.

The precinct community council meeting is held every second Monday of the month at 7:30; location to be determined by the precinct community board.
The next, and last meeting before summer break, will be held at:
77th Precinct
127 Utica Avenue
(corner of Bergen Street)
Monday, June 7, 2010 7:30 PM


Community Board 8 meetings are held monthly on the 2nd Thursday of the month. The next, and last meeting before summer break, will be held at:
Center for Nursing & Rehabilitation
727 Classon Avenue
(bet. Park & Prospect Place)
Thursday, June 10, 2010 7:00 PM

Kevin Powell just wrote a piece on his blog today called "The Children in America's Ghettoes", kind of appropriate for this thread I think ;-) It is kind of long so instead of copy and pasting it I will just give you the link:
http://www.kevinpowell.net/blog/

While I can't vouch for the bodegas in the immediate vicinity, suggesting that one shouldn't purchase something at Fisher's because its on a "hot" corner, or because the business somehow supports the drug dealing, well that's just alarmist assumption. Tony Fisher's family and business (now businesses) have been a staple of the local community for decades. Feel free to boycott if you like, but I honestly don't know what you hope to accomplish.

Has this always been a dangerous corner? As long as I've been here, it has. However, we live so close to it (right on te corner of St. Francis Pl.) that I'd imagine 98% of days over the last 5-6 years I've walked through it. Never had a probem. My wife has as well, with the same results. And so does my 4-yr old daughter.

Some 16 years ago I lived in the East Village on St. Mark's between 1st and A. First night there, I came home from a few drinks to see police everywhere, a chalk outline directly in front of my building's door and a pool of blood. What would you have all suggested I do back then? Avoid the front door of my apt. building?

Its likely never a good thing when someone is killed, on the street or otherwise. It is also a sad reality when you live a city as large and diverse as our. Does it happen more in Crown Heights. Yup. Should you avoid "hot" corners for the rest of your life? If you think you need to. I'm not pretending that it isn't scary to have had this happen so close to our home, but if living in fear means you feel you need to avoid the intersection of a main local thoroughfare for the rest of your time here, perhaps you should live elsewhere.

ntfool -

Lighten up, (St.) Francis...



The comment was about avoiding that particular corner with the bodega, not Fishers or the entire intersection. The image was just a poke at that, using obvious local references.

They would surely shoot you five times for a number of reasons not related to "drugs and violence". There is speculation this is over a woman. Certainly won't be the last time a man has been killed over a woman.

could be. my gut tells me it was about drugs.

The Invisible Lines wrote: Just an aside - they were still cleaning up this dude's head when I got off the train from work around 5:45 yesterday. The shooting happened around 11-ish a.m., so I'm curious as to why it took so long to get the blood and brains off of the concrete? I can't imagine why it would take 7 hours (even with a police investigation) to mop this shit down. And why did the poor dude at the bodega have to do it, and not some sort of city service?

clean-up is not something done by the city. Once the police collect the evidence they need and the City Coroner (medical examiner) takes the body, they leave the scene. http://www.nyc.gov/html/doh/downloads/pdf/epi/trauma_scene_guidelines_03-31-08.pdf

It's then up to whoever controls the crime scene to clean it up, or a call a company, like these: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q="crime+scene+clean+up"+11238&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=

I wonder if renters/homeowners insurance covers paying for such things.....

I overheard two eyewitnesses talking abut this tragic event. One is a mother who was pushing a carriage with her son in it, beside her was her own mom. They heard the five gunshots behind them. They smelled the gun powder. The second person witnessed the shooter shooting -- and the victim dying. Both witnesses were terribly distraught.

But this is nothing new. These things have been happening around here for at least as long as I 've been here, and I've been here for at least three years. I heard a neighbor say, "It used to be worse." I am paraphrasing him: 'A couple years ago you couldn't walk on Lincoln between Franklin and Classon. If you tried to do that someone would walk up to you and ask you who you were there to see. If you answered in the negative then you would be robbed (at weaponpoint) right there. There used to be guys keeping watch on top of buildings on Lincoln.'

And at the risk of proverbially 'crying fire in the theater' with the ailing economy, and an increasingly under-employable populus, how can it get better? The only solution is greater police presence; but with a shrinking budget the police cannot afford to do this. It's hard to think a volunteer corps can keep this element at bay. We are in for some rough times people.

I can speak from a great vantage point and tell you that it's my sense that the criminal element ain't goin' anywhere......

As far as the businesses around here, PLEASE support them. These people are pioneers of sorts, and they are constantly faced with the nitty-gritty elements that we all scurry away from when we get off the bus and the train. Your dollars DO count, and the people who have businesses around here really do us all a service by keeping their doors open, and providing goods and services. If we shirk away, then their bottomlines are affected, and it is just a matter of time before their doors closed. Look what happened to the Dominican food spot on the corner of Franklin and Sterling, and I for one will miss their half a chicken rice and bean deal. That chicken fell off da bone, yo.

There IS an element in the neighborhood, and it's my belief that they can be dealt with. Sometimes, just saying hello will do it, as it announces that they are being seen, that they are, in a sense being observed, albeit the observer does so pleasantly. Believe it or not, a curt nod of the head will do it as soon as you make eye contact; seriously. Whitefolks, NO smiling. Black people hate to see you smile at us. Just say hello. NO wassups people; just a hey, or hello, or an almost discernible nod of the head....

(SIGH)... Okay......Okay Holla peno....

Let me say this: I saw a documentary about eye contact and conversation. Certain people (I won't say WHO) love to look people (whom they don't know) in the eye. Other people ( I WON'T SAY WHO!) take eye contact (from people they don't know) as an affront. These are all cultural norms that using a broad brush -- as anthropologists do -- can relatively accurately create predictable social result.

Certain animals, for instance react in ways defensively if approached a certain way. In fact, there is an almost universal instinctual body language that all animals will respond to. A great novel 'Snowcrash' talks about this in some detail, if I recall...

Holla Peno, I have been a Black person for quite some time. It is my experience being a Black person in this country and in other countries that when whitefolks smile at Black people they don't know, Black folks view them suspiciously.Idunno, I am geeky enough to believe that this is some form of psychic memory imprint on the black genetic code -- but that's jus' me!!! Any other Black people out there can either attest to this or not? Not you CTK, you don't count...

Also, I was being really tongue in cheek. I'm truly sorry if ya don't understand MHA humor... : )

And also Holla Peno, if you really want to impart respect and 'amicablity' to 'black people', use an uppercase 'B' to name us.... SERIOUSLY.

And yes, this is 'my' neighborhood, as it is 'your' neighborhood. This is 'Our' neighborhood. ; ))

I never said I did. And, Blackfolks aren't an ethnicity.....

BUt, given that you use the word, there are certain things you wouldn't do if you approached a member of a certain group of people. You wouldn't for instance, offer a Jewish person a pulled pork sandwich -- unless you knew that Jewish person really well. Similarly, I would not advise that as a white person, you smile at a Black person on the street, unless you know them really well. This is just my experieince as a Black person. And, the fact that here I am telling you this, and you are DISCOUNTING my assessment of the Black experience, is telling. NO, I don't speak for, 'my people', to use Tarzan-speak, but I am giving you the general assessment that a person who is quite familiar with 'the Black experience' can extoll. Instead of knee jerkedly saying I am wrong to make this statement, why not ask a Black person that you know WHY a Black person would say this? Oy vey...

Subject: We're in Trouble

That's great! What began as an discussion about a deadly shooting in our neighborhood has descended into a pissing match between two guys about how White and Black people should or shouldn't look at each other, and a suggestion from a woman that they chill out by watching porn. We're in trouble if this is the most intelligent dialogue we can have about this important subject that threatens us all.

You wouldn't for instance, offer a Jewish person a pulled pork sandwich

lolz

Similarly, I would not advise that as a white person, you smile at a Black person on the street, unless you know them really well.

aaaand lolz

Subject: Re: We're in Trouble

photogirl wrote: That's great! What began as an discussion about a deadly shooting in our neighborhood has descended into a pissing match between two guys about how White and Black people should or shouldn't look at each other, and a suggestion from a man (edited by whynot) that they chill out by watching porn. We're in trouble if this is the most intelligent dialogue we can have about this important subject that threatens us all.

photogirl - believe it or not, this might be progress. ...folks often call each other less flattering names than "black" and "white".

....welcome.