Guy on Rooftop w/BB Gun on Park Place Franklin - Fri N
Tonight I was exiting the Franklin Avenue Shuttle station on Park Place at 12:20AM (with my husband and an older family member) and immediately heard a pop, pop, pop and the sound of bullets hitting the street at our feet. In looking up quickly to the source of the sound, we saw a lone, tall, dark figure in silhouette on the rooftop of the building right beside the shuttle tracks, on the south side of Park Place. There was no doubt he was aiming at us - and two fellow pedestrians - with what we immediately recognized as a gun. We started running and when we further realized that the sound of the bullets hitting the pavement was following us we became quite panicked and ran faster till we got to the laundromat at Franklin and Park. We were quite scared. Once we got to the laundromat and were able to speak to one another and make sense of the situation, we realized the sound was more like a BB gun. I called 911, and noticed that one of the other pedestrians, an older man, was doing the same just across the street.
My husband spied two cops on foot patrol just down Franklin and ran down to them to let them know what was going on while I stayed on the phone with 911. The cops ran over to the building on Franklin and went inside. A few minutes later we saw their flashlights beaming on the rooftop. After no additional cop cars showed up, I called 911 again. Finally a police vehicle arrived at the scene with about 6-8 policemen. When I explained what had happened... I am not kidding, the policeman and his colleagues looked like they were holding back smirks the entire time I was speaking, and said "It was just a kid with a bb gun having some fun" This made me and my husband quite upset so I replied "I live in this neighborhood, and YOU all have to work in this precinct. You know what happened yesterday - a man, who was apparently targeted, was shot 5 times and died - we have tried to remove the fear from of the community by saying that yesterday's crime had an intended victim. Tonight's incident was a guy on a rooftop shooting RANDOMLY at pedestrians. BB gun or no BB gun, we should all scared of the coming summer." A few of them agreed with me that they are also scared about what the summer will bring. I was also quick to point out - this was not a kid - it was a grown man, at least 6 ft tall, with a sturdy build, who also knew full well what went down a few blocks away yesterday. At this point the policemen became more serious and proceeded to write up a report. Quite frankly, the whole episode with the cops was as unbelievable as the experience of having to run to avoid bullets coming from a rooftop.
I can't quite get my head around the fact that ANYONE - even if it was an older teen with a BB gun - in their right mind - would go out on a rooftop - after what happened a mere 36 hours ago and play games like this. It feels like neighborhood terrorism. THIS SITUATION OF ESCALATING CRIME MUST BE ADDRESSED IMMEDIATELY - ESPECIALLY WHEN IN COMES TO THE ATTITUDE OF POLICEMEN ASSIGNED TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD - AND WHAT WE ARE ALL BRACING OURSELVES FOR THIS SUMMER. Sorry if my thoughts are somewhat jumbled, I am still reeling from what just happened.
I have been an avid reader of Brooklynian for 3 years, and after what happened to me tonight - especially in light of yesterday's fatal shooting on Franklin - has compelled to write this post, my first public post.
My husband spied two cops on foot patrol just down Franklin and ran down to them to let them know what was going on while I stayed on the phone with 911. The cops ran over to the building on Franklin and went inside. A few minutes later we saw their flashlights beaming on the rooftop. After no additional cop cars showed up, I called 911 again. Finally a police vehicle arrived at the scene with about 6-8 policemen. When I explained what had happened... I am not kidding, the policeman and his colleagues looked like they were holding back smirks the entire time I was speaking, and said "It was just a kid with a bb gun having some fun" This made me and my husband quite upset so I replied "I live in this neighborhood, and YOU all have to work in this precinct. You know what happened yesterday - a man, who was apparently targeted, was shot 5 times and died - we have tried to remove the fear from of the community by saying that yesterday's crime had an intended victim. Tonight's incident was a guy on a rooftop shooting RANDOMLY at pedestrians. BB gun or no BB gun, we should all scared of the coming summer." A few of them agreed with me that they are also scared about what the summer will bring. I was also quick to point out - this was not a kid - it was a grown man, at least 6 ft tall, with a sturdy build, who also knew full well what went down a few blocks away yesterday. At this point the policemen became more serious and proceeded to write up a report. Quite frankly, the whole episode with the cops was as unbelievable as the experience of having to run to avoid bullets coming from a rooftop.
I can't quite get my head around the fact that ANYONE - even if it was an older teen with a BB gun - in their right mind - would go out on a rooftop - after what happened a mere 36 hours ago and play games like this. It feels like neighborhood terrorism. THIS SITUATION OF ESCALATING CRIME MUST BE ADDRESSED IMMEDIATELY - ESPECIALLY WHEN IN COMES TO THE ATTITUDE OF POLICEMEN ASSIGNED TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD - AND WHAT WE ARE ALL BRACING OURSELVES FOR THIS SUMMER. Sorry if my thoughts are somewhat jumbled, I am still reeling from what just happened.
I have been an avid reader of Brooklynian for 3 years, and after what happened to me tonight - especially in light of yesterday's fatal shooting on Franklin - has compelled to write this post, my first public post.
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Hey last summer some stupid kid shot my dog in the yard out of their window with a BB gun and I didn't know what happened, thought my dog was having a siezure! Rushed the dog to emergency room and then we figured it out and she got hit in the leg and it was badl bruised and painful.
So for a while, dogs were only in yard supervised. I had also borrowed a BB gun waiting for it to start again God forbid.
So one day, I sitting on the couch in the house with the back door open and a BB pellet flies IN THE HOUSE!!!! I got up with the quickness and grabbed the BB gun and said REAL LOUD "YOU AIN'T GONNA LIKE IT IF I START SHOOTING BACK!!!!" and then I heard the kids say "OH SHIT" and run away and IT NEVER HAPPENED AGAIN!
But so you know, a BB pellet will not do any real damage, probably won't even break skin, but will give you one hell of a painful bruise!
Regardless, this is SHEER IDIOCY shooting BB guns at people and dogs :-( -
"man with a rifle" is going to elicit a different response than "guy with a BB gun" with the NYPD. Is it possible you were qualifying your 911 call in order to prevent a heavy handed response by the police? Although dangerous I think the cops were responding in kind. Stop thinking analog in a digital world.
Try reporting you smell car exhaust in your apartment from some jerk in their car to the local fire house. They won't do anything until you call 911. -
welcome Crownie.....
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Sorry about your experience. This is an interesting discussion. It seems that our local youth, brilliant as they are, have come across a way to create trouble while avoiding the serious legal consequences of possessing a real gun. I love the story from the above poster who threatened to shoot back.
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The consequences are serious enough and very real. A cop will shoot you dead if he sees you point your BB gun at someone. And it is most certainly a felony, much as it is to brandish your own air pistol back at someone shooting one at you.
In fact, you're not supposed to possess air guns at all without a license in New York City. So I wouldn't post about your exploits with one on a public web site. -
eastbloc wrote: The consequences are serious enough and very real. A cop will shoot you dead if he sees you point your BB gun at someone. And it is most certainly a felony, much as it is to brandish your own air pistol back at someone shooting one at you.
Honestly I don't care as I don't have it any longer and that was what was required to stop the problem and the thing was never fired and not even sure if there actually were any BBs in it I never even checked so whatever
In fact, you're not supposed to possess air guns at all without a license in New York City. So I wouldn't post about your exploits with one on a public web site. -
To clarify, when I called 911 last night I said "there's a guy on rooftop with a gun, shooting at pedestrians on the sidewalk," I did not clarify what kind of gun it was, because at that time my husband and I did not know - or know for certain - that it was a BB gun. The 911 operator actually said "oh my god..." in response to my call. Im not sure what the other man nearby who was also called 911 said to the operator. A BB gun aimed at someone's face could most certainly do damage, such as taking out someone's eye and causing blindness. And a small child or baby would also be very hurt if hit.
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Oh, yea, Eastbloc, just like the cops mentioned in the original post took the matter soooo seriously. Since you obviously did not read my post carefully (where did I post about my "exploits"?), let me ask this: why did the cops make the statement about a kid *just* having fun with a BB gun? I can't imagine them making such a statement about a shotgun or a rifle. Seems like a distinction to me.
Besides, these types are not the pillars of society, so if they're stupid enough to point a BB gun at a cop, let Darwin's theory take its course. -
Subject: Re: Guy on Rooftop w/BB Gun on Park Place & Franklin - F
Crownie wrote: TI am not kidding, the policeman and his colleagues looked like they were holding back smirks the entire time I was speaking, and said "It was just a kid with a bb gun having some fun"
Hello Crownie.
There is an old line in a Bob Dylan song you might consider.
It is sad but true.
"The cops don't need you and man they expect the same."
Once again, sad but true. -
Crownie, that is an awful thing to have happened. I would recommend that you reach out to Crow Hill Community Association, as they have a more direct line of communication with higher ups at teh 77th Precinct, apparently; also in conference with someone who attended the last Crow Hill meeting held at Launch Pad on Franklin Ave., they gave me the telephone number and email addres of Detective Martin Brown (646-610 6016); [email protected]. Mr. Brown is the community liasion officer for our neighborhood. I was told he seemed sincere and receptive.
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good info ^^^
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Jack Krohn wrote: Oh, yea, Eastbloc, just like the cops mentioned in the original post took the matter soooo seriously. Since you obviously did not read my post carefully (where did I post about my "exploits"?), let me ask this: why did the cops make the statement about a kid *just* having fun with a BB gun? I can't imagine them making such a statement about a shotgun or a rifle. Seems like a distinction to me.
I'm all for Darwin's theory, believe me. I was referring to the other poster who talked about threatening to shoot back.
Besides, these types are not the pillars of society, so if they're stupid enough to point a BB gun at a cop, let Darwin's theory take its course.
The cops who made that statement are cynics who display a lack of regard for their duties and public safety. There certainly is a distinction, as there should be. An air pistol is not likely to maim or kill, but it's still a serious offense.
I would have obtained their badge number and filed a complaint if I felt my concerns about being assaulted were not properly addressed. -
MHA wrote: Crownie, that is an awful thing to have happened. I would recommend that you reach out to Crow Hill Community Association, as they have a more direct line of communication with higher ups at teh 77th Precinct, apparently; also in conference with someone who attended the last Crow Hill meeting held at Launch Pad on Franklin Ave., they gave me the telephone number and email addres of Detective Martin Brown (646-610 6016); [email protected]. Mr. Brown is the community liasion officer for our neighborhood. I was told he seemed sincere and receptive.
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I agree 100%.
I live at Park and Franklin and was luckily out of town -- that is terrifying and I can't imagine the panic and fear you felt at the time. That police reaction is completely uncalled for. -
This is what I think the cops should do:Take a page out of Communist China's handbook. The Chinese government has the nosiest person in given villages become squealers for the neighborhood. We need a bunch of nosey people who can at the drop of a dime call the cops and say something like, 'I smell weed coming from my neighbor's apartment. I know she is at work, but her son is there.' If Mr. Brown ([email protected]) is to become successful, he needs to find a way of doing this. Maybe we should all email him for EVERY indiscretion we witness. With that type of intelligence, the cops would already know who lives in the building and who was on the roof.
I hear so much gossip as I interact with my neighbors. People are BURSTING to tell each other who is messing around with whom, who is a crook, a drunk, happy, sad, etc. The best thing the cops can do is exploit this intelligence treasure trove. C'mon! Haven't they watched Starsky and Hutch? -
[quote="MHA" The Chinese government has the nosiest person in given villages become squealers for the neighborhood.
They do this in Cuba too -
^^^ interesting countries to idolize.
Putting that thought aside, first you'd need the police to be interested, and even "empowered" to do their jobs. ...the court system is a complete joke as a well.
(I can't believe I couldn't find a a better word than "empowered". Talk about being a joke).
As everyone has pointed out, crime isn't exactly hidden in CH. The question becomes: "where do you want to put the small percentage of people who victimize the majority?
a. Displacement (doesn't matter where they go, as long as they don't live here)
b. Prison
c. GED, job training, drug treatment, etc
We are not a patient society. We seem to repeatedly choose "a" and "b".
Related question: Was it really the efforts of the police and some nosey snitches that allowed other neighborhoods to improve? ...or were the "troublemakers" simply displaced.
P.S. Obvious advice for the day:
Bad people with weapons feel a rush of power when they are able to scare innocent people.. ...letting people feel this power with no negative consequence is a very bad idea. -
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So there were no bullets, slugs, etc. on the pavement & no shell casings on the rooftop? BB's are small & hard to find in the dark. From the experience of my mis-spent youth, BB gun & all, it sounds like the police were right - though totally WRONG in the psychology of dealing with the public dept.
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