The Police's Seeming Indifference, rudeness and misconduct
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We all know theres asshole Cops out there, just like in any profession. I still would encourage anyone who is interested in seeing first hand what the men and women of the NYPD deal with every day to participate in the ride along program. All you need is a NYS ID and you too can drive around be loathed by the Community.
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King without a crown wrote: All you need is a NYS ID and you too can drive around be loathed by the Community.








That was awesome. -
The police are loathed by a certain segment of the community.
The police are highly appreciated and respected by another segment. -
Agreed, the caveat is that my relaying what I've hear' is at best secondhand information. But I know my neighbor, and if he relays something to me, I think I can ably mitigate for hyperbole. I believe him. KWAC argues like in all professions, there are asshole cops; thanks for conceding that. The big difference is that an asshole cop with a GUN is a bigger problem than the asshole mailman, fireman or the typical overworked asshole who can make your life miserable at the DMV or neighboring cubicle.
When I see a police officer I personally do my best to avert my eyes, and sometimes even cross the street. I don't trust any of them. They have lethal power hanging from their hips, and some of them look as if they are itching to use it.
Another cop story.
In 2001 when I worked that summer with some cops, one of them was relaying a story about some scenario involoving a 'perp'. Apparently the ''effin' guy'', as the cop called him was giving the cop lip. So much of the cop lingo flying back and forthat was incomprehensible to me, but the story sort of ended with the cop saying "So I dropped the throwaway behind him and then said, 'Oh yeah, so what's that behind you then?' "All the cops laughed and guffawed over their coffee and doughnuts. I didn't understand the story so I approached one of the cops, a lady I'll call Ann. "Ann, what's a throwaway?" I asked. Ann was Irish, and she had these bizaare insatiable crushes on baseball players, especially that guy who does all the Gillete commercials (can't remember his name now) .She was typing something and she stopped and looked at me over her reading glasses and said casually, "Oh, that's a small gun that a cop will throw at a perp's feet to up his charge."
I feigned nonchalance and went to the bathroom. I mouthed the word F--- over and over for about ten minutes and then went back to my office.
I got another story -- when I filed my CCRB report. I won't relay it as yet because I'm digging through my files to find the actual CCRB letter I received. -
King without a crown wrote: We all know theres asshole Cops out there, just like in any profession. I still would encourage anyone who is interested in seeing first hand what the men and women of the NYPD deal with every day to participate in the ride along program. All you need is a NYS ID and you too can drive around be loathed by the Community.
I'm sure that the officers on the ride-along will be on their best behavior, and will be unlikely to display the behavior (highlighted in this thread) that leads to that loathing. But rather than try to understand that, you'd rather try to excuse any example of inappropriate and unprofessional police behavior. Whatever happened to "C.P.R.?" Just marketing by the NYPD? -
tsarina wrote: The police are loathed by a certain segment of the community.
I would argue that most police are appreciated and respected by most, and that some police are deservedly loathed by most. This thread is about the latter segment.
The police are highly appreciated and respected by another segment. -
MHA wrote: When I see a police officer I personally do my best to avert my eyes, and sometimes even cross the street. I don't trust any of them. They have lethal power hanging from their hips, and some of them look as if they are itching to use it.
Even the best police are best avoided unless you need them.
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The point of the Ride Along is to witness what Cops deal with day in and day out and to see how they are treated by the Community. People who take part in ride alongs are viewed as Police Officers since they too wear vests. Often they are percieved as Police and therefore treated with the same respect.
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MHA
you should take KWC offer to try the ride along program, i think you'll enjoy sitting in the back seat of a patrol car without being cuffed. -
^ Yes, uniforms may be indeed tailored, but not necessarily with cuffs.
And pleats are so over. -
Hamilton wrote: MHA
You are SOOOOOO WRONG for this! LOL!
you should take KWC offer to try the ride along program, i think you'll enjoy sitting in the back seat of a patrol car without being cuffed. -
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Hamilton, that's a good one. : ) -
i was going to put a smiley face after the joke, but i know MHA doesn't like whites smiling at him.
i wish i knew that the other day, as my grandmother was walking down franklin and smiled at a black man , who took offense and stole her dentures. -
Hamilton wrote: i was going to put a smiley face after the joke, but i know MHA doesn't like whites smiling at him.
No worries there, just use the green one
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jeffrey wrote: [quote=Hamilton]i was going to put a smiley face after the joke, but i know MHA doesn't like whites smiling at him.
No worries there, just use the green one
i would, but, i don't think he likes the irish -
King without a crown wrote: The point of the Ride Along is to witness what Cops deal with day in and day out and to see how they are treated by the Community. People who take part in ride alongs are viewed as Police Officers since they too wear vests. Often they are percieved as Police and therefore treated with the same respect.
I dig what ur saying as it's key for citizens to empathize w/cops to better understand them
But uve demonstrated that there are cops who arent willing to empathize w/the citizens they police
Hows that gonna work? -
Whoa! Junior Marvin's Police and Thieves! i have this album. Always digged the album cover. It's like cubism --almost. That's a great song; love the falsetto.
Hamilton, I absolutely LOVE the Irish. I actually have a bit of Scot-Irish in me lineage. A randy Scotsman literally abandoned ship and made his way to the country of my ancestors where he summarily impregnated a few choice women apparently. He told his brother of the fertile soil in which he stuck his plow and along came the brother.
In fact, a large number of the folk who come from where I come from have not only Irish blood, but their cadence has often been compared to the Irish's -- which makes a great deal of sense because Irish women were often sent there by the British for petty and imagined offenses. Gee, I wonder what KWAC would think about the police department during the day s of slavery in 'mi' homeland? I better thank 'mi' lucky charms that KWAC wasn't there!
The Irish also found their way there via indentured servitude where they were hired as slave handlers -- which is a fancy way of saying they whipped the dusky Africans into working 'efficiently'. They also had the choice lot of women to choose from, being in charge and all.
But, there is an affinity for the Irish. I do so like the red hair, I must admit. My first love had red hair, and freckles, which she inferited from her dad whose grandather was an Irishman. And of course, there was an affinity amongst the Irish and the early enslaved Africans, for the British never saw them as equals, and the Irsh always had an affinity for Africans. Indeed, I believe members of the IRA actually participated in subversive activity alongside the ANC in their struggle against the white supremacist Afrikaner government of South Afrtica.
There's a whole bunch of stuff on the Web about how the Irish became white. I believe were you to google 'How the Irish Became White' you'll see a lot of literature that discusses how and WHY the Irish were granted priviliges that the American Negroes were denied. If anything, Hamilton, it's the Irish who hate us. And that's sad, because we have a shared history of oppression. The Irish were used by the British to further the interests of capital.
On MHA first trip to England I was eager to go into an Irish pub, and I had one of the best bar experiences of my life. There I was a person, and race truly did not seem to matter. I felt like Langston Hughes in France, or Billy Holiday or somebody famous, Black and burdened by the weight of it. The Irish folk were keen to talk about race, but in ways that I truly believe white Joe Bag-O-Donuts will always find daunting. Not to say racism does not exist there, but the whitefolks I encountered there didn't have an ego dependence to denigrate me to make them feel good about themselves (hint, hint).
I love the Irish. How can I hate something that is intrinsically a part of myself? -
WOW! MHA, where I come from, we all have Irish in us too! The English left all the unruly slaves and Irish there cause it was too dry and rocky to do plantations! Then over a few hundred years, everyone blend up ;-) I LOOOOVE Guinness too LOL
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MHA ,you were in an irish pub, well, that explains the mystery surrounding my cousin Liam.
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^ that would appear to be the exact antithesis of House Of Pain.
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As an Irishman, I'm psyche'd I'm in good company
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...now how are we going to address the social problems that are causing folks to be so close minded?
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There seems to be a bit of a misunderstanding here regarding who should be respecting whom. Given that the police are public servants, isn't the respect of their customers something they should earn rather than demand?
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dbb,
If the police are there to protect and serve us, don't they deserve simple courtesy?
See, both your statement and mine above are incomplete.
In reality it takes two to tango.
Both sides need to understand that one is being asked to protect the other.
The police don't have the benefit of hearing neighborhood conversations about what's going on where, when and by whom (especially if there's any don't snitch mentality around) so they actually have to turn over many stones to find a decent lead or pattern they're investigating.
In a much less intrusive sense (to be sure), during the summer time the police will set up checkpoints along Flatbush in the park (heck, they do this all over the US), and bring traffic to a crawl as they check each car to make sure there's no evidence of alcohol.
Sure, it's annoying to have them stop every car, including mine.
But I appreciate the reason why they're doing it, even if they speak to 100 people and only end up with one actual case that they pull off the road. So I'm nice to them.
Heck...Flatbush is nuts already, without adding any drunk kooks behind the wheel.
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dbb wrote: There seems to be a bit of a misunderstanding here regarding who should be respecting whom. Given that the police are public servants, isn't the respect of their customers something they should earn rather than demand?
The customers of the police are the criminals that they have to deal with day after day. The ones that blatantly lie, evade, steal or shoot. The customers dont have to play by the "rules" while the cops are held to a higher standard of behavior. As someone who has worked in the court system and interfaced with many officers, I know that there are many criminals that get away with their crimes or get off because of a technicality. I also know that evidence is sometimes planted (Not really shocked!) to get the bad guy, and on one occasion (I;m sure there are many more) a serial rapist who was being arrested sent 2 or 3 cops to the hospital. When I saw him being led to the courtroom I asked about his unusal coloring and was informed that he was beaten by the cops as pay back for sending those cops to the hospital, and those were bruises coloring his face. Do I blame the cops? Not particularly. They are only human, and perp is getting payback for his deeds.
Getting back to the point about who should be respecting whom, police officers deserve respect for putting their lives on the line every day, and having to deal with scum everyday so that we dont have to. -
On another thread, MHA posted this:
MHA wrote: I would recommend that you reach out to Crow Hill Community Association, as they have a more direct line of communication with higher ups at teh 77th Precinct, apparently; also in conference with someone who attended the last Crow Hill meeting held at Launch Pad on Franklin Ave., they gave me the telephone number and email addres of Detective Martin Brown (646-610 6016); [email protected]. Mr. Brown is the community liasion officer for our neighborhood. I was told he seemed sincere and receptive.
While good advice, it counts on the police's ability to police themselves.
On the otherhand, the City Council, police, mayor, and public always seem to be in a struggle over how much power should be given to the CCRB. Obviously, each has its own interests it wishes to defend.
...but most of what we are talking about doesn't involve offenses that would be brought to the CCRB. http://www.nyc.gov/html/ccrb/home.html
Most of it involves "simple" Courtesy, Professionalism, and Respect..
As tsarina points out, the police are unlikely to get such CPR from career criminals ....the problem comes when the public at large feels they are being viewed as criminals.
....once again, when we break things down into "us" and "them", things are sure to continue to literally break down. (now I'm sounding like a stoned hippie)
There's lots of articles on the topic, here's one that seems pretty balanced:
http://www.gothamgazette.com/article/crime/20091014/4/3052 -
Going back to the original Nairobi Backpack incident, it is at all possible that the beat cop could have thought he was being lured into a closed store late at night? Counterfit currency investigation is one of the jobs of the Secret Service. Conveniently they have an office in Brooklyn. Even now they should be notified & hopefully given the $100 counterfit bill & a description.
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Salix wrote: Going back to the original Nairobi Backpack incident, it is at all possible that the beat cop could have thought he was being lured into a closed store late at night? Counterfit currency investigation is one of the jobs of the Secret Service. Conveniently they have an office in Brooklyn. Even now they should be notified & hopefully given the $100 counterfit bill & a description.
um, counterfit bills are so common that they are just thrown away at the end of the night. The manager says something like, "damn, why you take this bill. This is the second bill you took that is bad this month" to the cashier and throws it away.
...the secret service isn't called.
But, yea, it would be nice if you could count on the cop outside of your store to assist you if you were just given one. ...assuming the story is true, it just seems like laziness/rudeness on the cops part. -
'Assuming the story is true?! Now I'm making up shit?! Dude take a walk to Franklin Avenue and ask the store manager yourself! Why would I make something up like that?! I'm done.
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