Shooting today around 11 am Franklin Lincoln NW corner

Invisible lines, Cool the kid, and catwalkertexasranger-

You should not attribute your wisdom merely to getting older. There are some old, dumb people in the world...

...progress is possible. But, yea, it is going to take a lot of work by everyone involved.

When I respond to 'hellos or nods' on the street, the majority of responses from men that I get are sexual innuendos and sometimes plain "in yo face". It's like when you acknowledge them as a woman, they magically grow cojones and think that it's an open invitation to verbal harassment.

So then when I decide to generally ignore 'hellos and nods', unless I know the person, I usually get called a stuck-up/dumb/stupid b*tch/whore (choose the combo of your "liking"). It just makes me feel sad to be at the receiving end of this stuff because I don't think that any woman deserves to be called derogatory names And they probably call their wives, baby mamas or girl friends that stuff too. Whatever floats their boat, I guess.

One day a guy I always see when walking to work asked me nicely why I didn't greet people on the street and I told him the whole story of how fed up I was, trying to distinguish who is who. And he understood. And he acknowledged the problem that the brothas need to shape up their act and stop harassing every woman that passes them.

Well, and now I greet him, because he's been identified as someone who doesn't have an ulterior motive. But I can't spend my day trying to decipher who has friendly intentions and who doesn't. How many more times am I going to be called derogatory names, until I'm done assessing every individual on my daily stretch? It's just not worth the hassle to me.

MHA, to be honest a lot of your theories just don't correspond to reality... plus you yourself aren't really looking for a discussion, just agreement with your own ideas. This is shown by the ad hominem attacks you've hatched on everyone who makes the mistake of voicing disagreement with you

I have people all over from Brownsville to LI to Texas to wherever and I can honestly say you're maybe the 2nd or 3rd black person out of thousands I've met and hundreds I've built with with such strong views and free use of generalizations, etc. We are all entitled to our emotions; however when one abandons logic + fairness to substantiate their views it becomes difficult to engage in discussion.

I always respond directly to your posts and outline why I disagree in black and white (lol)... yet instead of responding to anything I say you continually bring my personal life into question. Yes, I voluntarily interact with whites and enjoy it (gasp!).... no, I am not as well versed as you in my own history, though to be fair all of my Ghanaian friends who were partially raised there who ARE probably as informed as you are don't share your views and also are able to interact with white people beyond just on a need-to-do basis. IDK... you keep claiming to be a victim but I think it is actually you who doesn't really want to engage in intellectually honest discussion... at least w/anyone who disagrees; seems like anyone who doesn't subscribe to your beliefs is flawed & unfit for discussion.

Aaaaand it looks like someone's inadvertently stumbled upon ^ one of our fun little new features here, lol...

I am trying to understand how Crown Heights can move forward in one piece if there are intentional rifts built between groups

I'm done folks. If we aren't talking aobut spitting, then there's nothing more to say. I've answered everything, I've taught CTK the meaning of ad hominem, and I think that the consensus is that we all feel bad and little scared about the shooting that occurred last week Wednesday. As far as I can tell, there are still people who are grieving over the shooting, and if anyone has any conference with the family, or friends, I am sorry you lost someone. It's pretty decadent for us to squabble pettily over the death of someone. This thread has devolved just a bit, and it seems as if my sense of why certain kinds of eye contact is not necesarily a good thing is discounted. I've tried to make it clear why I think such is the case, and that too was discounted. I have said this before, and I have read others who have said pretty much the same thing. There is no monopoly on truth. There is my truth and your truth, and the twain may be mutually exclusive, and may neer meet, but both can exist. It becomes wearisome to respond to everyone. I guess all of you are in agreement, and I am the crazy one. Cool. Call me Yossarian.

MHA wrote: it seems as if my sense of why certain kinds of eye contact is not necesarily a good thing is discounted. I've tried to make it clear why I think such is the case, and that too was discounted.

It seems as though certain people are discounting everything you say :?

Unfortunately much of MHA's most recent post above, especially the last bits, does not accurately represent the reality of posts that have been made here, but if MHA has tired of this particular discussion, that in itself certainly respectable and his prerogative.

If he feels has tired of this community at the moment, that's unfortunate and perhaps a bit of an overreaction, but also his prerogative. We hope he remains, and continues to contribute wherever he is inspired to do so.

In the meantime, although everyone may not agree with everyone else here on things (where does that ever happen), all viewpoints will continue to be welcome and heard here.

Outside Child wrote: I too have tired of this discussion and the other one, we were doing well for a good long while but not any longer, it feels like beating my head against a brick wall

I've been wondering if there's a more personal, IRL connection between Outside Child and MHA..... :?

Eh- but then again, I don't care that much...

Mobile battery barely lingering at 1%, so bear with me...

Let's have a show of hands...would folks prefer this thread to be retired?

(just locked, but still available)

jeffrey wrote: Mobile battery barely lingering at 1%, so bear with me...

Let's have a show of hands...would folks prefer this thread to be retired?

(just locked, but still available)

no

I think this + the other thread should be locked... too much side talk, there def needs to be a focus on neighborhood awareness and solving problems

But you people DON'T want to talk about the shooting! The hypocrisy of MOST of you is that when I say, 'I heard that the shooting was gang-related, that the guy who got killed was a Blood, and the guy who did the shooting was a Crip, and that the cops apparently have caught the guy who did it, but nonetheless we should be on our Ps and Qs because it might be a long summer, and (for the sake of levity, I sa 'you whitefolks, no smilin' we don't like it when you smile at us.' Most of you MFers IGNORE the veracity of WHO got shot, WHO did the shooting and the potential for violence and the first thing you want to say is,
'MHA, you don't speak for all Black people.' MFer, it was Black people who GAVE me the lowdown on the shooting, and the plausibility of repurcussion! Why is it that the same Black people's commentary of 'Man, I hate it when the ofays smile at you when they walk by," why is THAT invalid? It's invalid because you MFers don't want to hear it. It's like you want think YOU shape reality. It's your HUGE ego at work, or play. As I said, I am Yossarian in this little world.

And when I elaborate and say I live near a effing gang stronghold, and what I fear is being collateral damage in said plausible repurcussion, AGAIN, that's ignored, and in its stead you guys want to play 'reach out and touch somebody's hand, and buy the world a Coke.'

And when I say to you how anachronistic and unrealistic that is, 'Oh MHA, that's anti intelligent discourse of you.' Ya'll merely don't get it.

And when Outside Child says, 'Do you see what's going on in Jamaica?!' YA'LL STILL DON'T GET IT. THERE'S A BURGEONING CIVIL WAR NO LONGER BREWING, BUT SPILLING OUT INTO THE STREETS OF TIVOLI GARDENS, and you fail to see the parallels between there and HERE. You think that what's happening there is SO FAR AWAY that it cannot happen here, in Crown Heights, in Brooklyn? If you think that then you are truly sadly misinformed, and Holla Peno, I don't have to speak to every Black person in the whole United States of America to know what's brewing here.

Imagine if when Paul Revere came in and told everybody that the British were coming, he was soundly admonished for waking people up. what would happen?

If you think that there are no repurcussions, I dare any one of you to go and remove that little ad hoc memorial to that guy who got shot. Go ahead Holla Peno, I dare you. Am I wrong here, or must I take a poll from all the Black people to see if what I say next is true? You will get fkk'd up if you touch that thing. Not even the cops will touch that thing. So live in your little world where you call Black critique of white hypocrisy, angry, and misguided and warped. It won't be the first time. And when the spit falls at your feet, go ahead and say, 'He's just rude, it has nothing to do with race, class, or history.' Go ahead. Deny us our anger. Go right ahead. Comeuppance always comes to those who think it can't.