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CRAZINESS in Jamaica today!!!!! - Page 2 — Brooklynian

CRAZINESS in Jamaica today!!!!!

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  • jeffrey wrote: No whynot, these days that's only used for folks who chose to live next to Mission Dolores.
    I miss the old days.
  • Jack Krohn wrote: It's only a matter of time before someone, somehow, will blame all of this on the evil United States!
    your wait is over Jack!
    Outside Child wrote: [quote=jeffrey]I've been waiting for any sort of comment re: Jamaica to appear from @StateDept on Twitter, but there's nothing about it on there yet.

    Guess they are holding back from using it as a first line of basic info whenever stuff breaks out around the world.

    Also waiting to see what comments Clinton (Hillary) and Obama make about it.

    It'd be odd not to hear anything from either of them about this today.
    Yeah they gonna have to come with a statement soon especially since they started and caused all of this

    The war on drugs is so much more effective than prohibition (sarcasm).
  • I think I mentioned the US's Federal case and extradition request as the reason for this before Jack even posted that, btw...thought it was just sarcastic sarcasm.
  • Jamaica bleeds for our 'war on drugs'

    The chaos in Kingston is symptomatic of the failure of US-led cocaine prohibition. This tragic violence must force a rethink




    The tragedy unfolding in Jamaica is symptomatic of a wider crisis of organised crime, armed violence and political corruption caused by a failed "war on drugs". The tangled political and economic roots of the problem run very deep.

    Caribbean nations were born from the violence of chattel slavery and rebellion, colonial domination and the struggle for liberation and self-determination. The postcolonial flight of capital and structural readjustment have been compounded by the end of transatlantic trade agreements that have led to the collapse of the region's agricultural economic base. High levels of unemployment and extreme marginality have been the result for many communities.

    By accident of geography, the Caribbean islands sit uncomfortably between the Andean coca producers and the cocaine consumers of North America and Europe. Although the Caribbean routes account for only a small proportion of the cocaine traffic (estimated by the UN to be worth as much as $125bn), the islands' physical location, unprotectable coastlines and transport links to the metropolitan centres of North America and Europe make them an ideal jumping-off point for the traffickers.

    The "war on drugs" was supposed to destroy coca production, stifle trafficking and eliminate cocaine use in the US and beyond. It has achieved none of these things. Instead, supply and demand are resilient, and so the "harsh medicine" of drug prohibition has created a lucrative clandestine market with entirely predictable iatrogenic side-effects of political corruption and armed violence. The collateral damage is all too evident across the region – most obviously in Jamaica, but also in Trinidad, Guyana and many other places on the Caribbean rim that have seen gunshot murders escalate to levels equivalent to a bloody civil war.

    Jamaica's problems are particularly acute. Political violence can be traced back to the 1940s at least, and escalated at key moments throughout the 20th century, most notably during the 1980 election when guns were funnelled into the island from the US – allegedly by the CIA – to arm the leaders of the "garrison communities".

    In the poorest Kingston constituencies, the two main political parties – the Jamaica Labour party and the People's National Party – continue to vie for power, with more than 90% of voters turning out for one or other of the parties. Local politicians and the "dons" exert control but also inspire loyalty among their constituents. In the past, the dons worked as enforcers for the politicians, but they have now accumulated an independent economic power base from drug- and gun-running, protection rackets and corrupt government contracts.

    The attempt to extradite Christopher "Dudus" Coke to the US to face trafficking charges has turned from farce to tragedy. At first, the government, led by JLP Prime Minister Bruce Golding, prevaricated, no doubt mindful of Coke's connections to the party and his ability to deliver votes, but also the power of a man whom many people think of as a godfather who can deliver security and other goods. Bowing to both domestic and external political pressure, the government's attempt to execute the arrest warrant has so far left at least 44 people dead – without delivering Coke.

    Sadly, loss of life at the hands of the authorities is far from rare. Last year, the Jamaican police killed more than 250 people – deaths denounced by human rights groups as extrajudicial executions.

    In the short term, there is an obvious need for the authorities to work to restore peace to the affected neighbourhoods. This is going to require fortitude, but also restraint. Preservation of life and the minimal use of force in pursuit of peace and safety should be the guiding ethos, even while the situation remains volatile. Too many lives have been lost already and the danger of escalation is clear and present.

    The challenge for the Jamaican people, after that, is to understand the roots of political corruption and armed violence and seek ways to disentangle organised crime from politics, business, the state and civil society more generally. Removing guns and corruption from the body politic is not going to be easy and cannot be achieved by military firepower: war on the streets of Kingston is the problem, not the solution. It will require a peace process akin to the Northern Ireland experience, perhaps with truth and reconciliation, and certainly with some means to decommission weapons and demobilise the young men in corner crews who define themselves as "soldiers" fighting on the front line of garrison communities.

    There is a wider challenge facing the region and the international community. The "war on drugs" has not only failed, but positively promotes corruption and armed violence – not only in the Caribbean, but also across Central and South America, West Africa and in the inner cities of Europe and North America.

    Could the tragic loss of life in Jamaica bring the world to its senses? People are sick of warfare. We should instead direct resources to building a lasting peace.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2010/may/26/jamaica-kingston-drugs-trade
  • So sad.

    Here's one of Ross Kemp's pieces about it, from earlier this year:



  • The avoidance of this "uncomfortable" thread by virtually everyone but jeffrey and whynot is both sad and amusing in a tragic kind of way
  • ^ one suggestion I would have if you want people to read this (or any other thread) is to highlight/summarize an article and put a link to it. When people see a large block of text, they think "that's too long, I'm not reading that....". Plus, I think it's a violation of copyrighted material if you quote too many words. Somebody here posted the exact rule, and I'm sure that the copyright police have better things to do - but it's definitely more user-friendly that way.

    Just my $0.02, which you are welcome to ignore.
  • Outside Child, people deal with such posts (of tragedies) in different ways.

    Often times it leads to quiet reflection, but still reflection.

    I learned to stop measuring in terms of # of responses a long time ago, as it's truly a misleading metric.

    But I will continue to post more related things here nonetheless, knowing they are definitely seen and thought about.
  • Outside Child wrote: The avoidance of this "uncomfortable" thread by virtually everyone but jeffrey and whynot is both sad and amusing in a tragic kind of way
    I've been reading this thread but didn't really have anything to add.

    But people ignoring humanitarian crises around the world is nothing new.

    Also wanted to add that this thread is great (in a sad way) b/c I hadn't heard about this before I saw it here a few days ago. Yay for the internet and community input.
  • I remain surprised at how little coverage this is receiving in the mainstream media, especially here in NYC where there is such a large Jamaican expat community. Its a shame when Carribean Life newspaper is the goto source for American based coverage of this situation.

    Or, from an optimist's perspective, this shows exactly why consolidation/monopolization in the media world sucks..
  • homeowner wrote: I remain surprised at how little coverage this is receiving in the mainstream media, especially here in NYC where there is such a large Jamaican expat community. Its a shame when Carribean Life newspaper is the goto source for American based coverage of this situation.
    this. i can't believe being off brooklynian for a week or two is causing me to miss international news stories. :shock:[/i]
  • sweet tea wrote: [quote=homeowner]I remain surprised at how little coverage this is receiving in the mainstream media, especially here in NYC where there is such a large Jamaican expat community. Its a shame when Carribean Life newspaper is the goto source for American based coverage of this situation.
    this. i can't believe being off brooklynian for a week or two is causing me to miss international news stories. :shock:[/i]

    maybe it's just because I have cable TV and a lot of time on my hands, but I have seen coverage on CNN, BBC and even NBC news at 11 last night. It's not nearly as extensive as the Caribbean news papers and TV stations, but I have seen and read coverage. I believe there is also a town hall meeting tonight in Brooklyn (Flatbush maybe? I forgot) where they expect several hundred people to show up.
  • Here is the info on the town hall which is TONIGHT.

    "Here in Brooklyn, community leader and radio DJ, Sharon Gordon, is organizing a massive town hall meeting tomorrow night at St. Gabriel's Episcopal Church in East Flatbush. She expects hundreds of frustrated and worried Jamaican New Yorkers to turn out and express their fears and frustrations to the Jamaican Consul General, who is also expected to attend."

    http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local-beat/Jamaican-Violence-Hits-Home-in-Brooklyn-94979049.html
  • Also (I'd say "lastly", but I reserve my right to add more...LOL), I have Yahoo World News on my home page and it has been in the headlines regularly (they only provide 5 stories at a time).....so, it's out there, but you have to get past the oil disaster and some other stories to hear about it. With so much bad news in the world, I think people just hear the first 2-3 stories and then give up.
  • all I know is Dudus is LONG GONE and they will never find him
  • Perhaps he is sitting in the cell next to Bin Laden's at Guantanamo.

    :-$
  • jeffrey wrote: Perhaps he is sitting in the cell next to Bin Laden's at Guantanamo.

    :-$
    Nah he chillin somewhere sippin a cocktail
  • Sigh, these are the pictures you will not see on CNN or BBC or any mainstream media outlet and this gives you an idea of what is really going on there :-(


    *WARNING GRAPHIC DISTURBING PICTURES* click at your own risk

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    http://bit.ly/bwfLRC
  • Now this is DEEP! This whole Dudus saga is not about cocaine at all but about OIL!

    http://www.negrilstories.ca/index.php?pr=Dudus_and_Oil
  • There are valid points in there but the US is not going to invade a reasonably stable country in order to get a drug kingpin.
  • Boygabriel wrote: There are valid points in there but the US is not going to invade a reasonably stable country in order to get a drug kingpin.
    Thats the whole point!
  • Oh come on, name me one case where the US has invaded another country for oil.

    Oh wait.
  • Outside Child wrote: [quote=Boygabriel]There are valid points in there but the US is not going to invade a reasonably stable country in order to get a drug kingpin.
    Thats the whole point!

    The US is not going to invade Jamaica. Especially not with a drug kingpin as the cover story.

    I'm extremely critical of our foreign policy and nefarious interventionism, but we are not going to invade Jamaica.
  • "I remember when we used to see
    All the government cars in Spanish Town
    And then Golding would make the fire light
    While Dudas runnin' through the night..."


    :-'
  • Boygabriel wrote: [quote=Outside Child][quote=Boygabriel]There are valid points in there but the US is not going to invade a reasonably stable country in order to get a drug kingpin.
    Thats the whole point!

    The US is not going to invade Jamaica. Especially not with a drug kingpin as the cover story.

    I'm extremely critical of our foreign policy and nefarious interventionism, but we are not going to invade Jamaica.

    They are already there
  • There might be troops there, but really how many?

    We have not 'invaded', the US is not in power there, and it will not become another Iraq, as the article you linked to mentioned.
  • "2008 Cuba announced to the world that it was sitting on 20 billion barrels of oil, the 12th largest deposits among countries, and that it was involved in developing it with Venezuela. Stand on the Blue Mountains and you can see the lights in Cuba. If they have oil that deep, you can bet that Jamaica has oil that dee...p, and Haiti. The American military controls Haiti. This week they landed in Jamaica.''

    ''This isn't about JLP, and PNP, and Posse's, and Matthew's Lane, or Rema, or Tivoli Gardens, or Dudus, or running the docks, or selling cocaine. It's about manipulating all of that so Jamaicans see each other as the enemy, and keep warring. It's about Babylon stealing the Big Money while Jamaicans fight like dogs over the Little Money.''

    another blood for oil ploy :-(
  • Yeah, but give any oil rig platform a long enough straw and...





    You know, like bp does.
  • The acronyms that really run Jamaican garrison AND most Third World ward politricks--IMF, CIA, DOE.
    IMF runs banks and goverment, CIA runs drugs and money, DOE runs interference for the resource robber barons like BP-- who IMF insures cant profit from their own mineral wealth while CIA maintains social instability as BP, free and clear of nation- debt, drills away for 250-300 bil dollar quarterly profits a year. nearly 1 trillion a year profit, net not gross.
    Dudus is just 1 more neighborhood dude in the drug game who's outlived his usefulness to all the above.
    There will always be another cartel. and Jamaica will remain poor mad black and hungry. And the dope and the guns will continue to flow globally same as it ever was. Because nobody can ever be the number one big man in a game where you're just the courier for a product grown and manufactured far far away.
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