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If Bus Stops Disappear, What Will Happen to All That Space — Brooklynian

If Bus Stops Disappear, What Will Happen to All That Space

ringrunner
ringrunner
edited November -1 in Park Slope
Streetblog got me thinking (http://www.streetsblog.org/2010/05/26/if-bus-stops-disappear-what-will-happen-to-all-that-space/)

Without the B71 we are going to lose like 10 bus stops on Union St. between PPW and the Gowanus. The B69 will move from 8th Ave and PPW to 7th Ave where there are already bust stops. That is another 20 bus stops between Union St and the Prospect Expressway. That is at least 100 more parking spots in Greater Park Slope. Or they don't have to be parking spots.

But, I think we should add Premium Parking.

http://whatyourdonotknowbecauseyouarenotme.blogspot.com/2010/05/so-what-are-we-gonna-do-with-all-those.html

Streetbloggers suggest bike corrals and other green spaces. What do we want?

Anyone got any better ideas....

Comments

  • snarkslope
    snarkslope
    What's wrong with reverting the space back to normal parking spots? Goodness knows we can use some parking relief in Park Slope, and it's good for everyone if there are fewer cars circling, fewer emissions, etc.
  • danny hellman
    danny hellman
    Screw parking. Dedicated bike lanes, please!
  • ringrunner
    ringrunner
    snarkslope wrote: What's wrong with reverting the space back to normal parking spots? Goodness knows we can use some parking relief in Park Slope, and it's good for everyone if there are fewer cars circling, fewer emissions, etc.
    No more whining that you can't find a spot. Just shut up and pay.
  • ringrunner
    ringrunner
    Danny Hellman wrote: Screw parking. Dedicated bike lanes, please!
    They are doing that. Did you see, they put the "bike" stop light on the polls on PPW.
  • snarkslope
    snarkslope
    ringrunner wrote: No more whining that you can't find a spot. Just shut up and pay.
    debating team in high school?
  • snarkslope
    snarkslope
    Danny Hellman wrote: Screw parking. Dedicated bike lanes, please!
    The question at hand is what to do with the maybe 1/3 of the street that is currently taken up with a bus stop. You can't make a bike lane out of that. And if you're suggesting that entire lane on 8th Avenue be converted to a bike lane, I'd be mystified. Really, one lane for cars and one lane for bikes?
  • ringrunner
    ringrunner
    snarkslope wrote: [quote=ringrunner]No more whining that you can't find a spot. Just shut up and pay.
    debating team in high school?

    No, more like the rolling team. :drunken:

    I just wanna keep this discussion going. Since the Times/News/Post gets their local leads from boards like this, maybe this is a way to get the muckymucks to hear our voices. Maybe..
  • danny hellman
    danny hellman
    snarkslope wrote: [quote=Danny Hellman]Screw parking. Dedicated bike lanes, please!
    The question at hand is what to do with the maybe 1/3 of the street that is currently taken up with a bus stop. You can't make a bike lane out of that. And if you're suggesting that entire lane on 8th Avenue be converted to a bike lane, I'd be mystified. Really, one lane for cars and one lane for bikes?

    No, I'm suggesting that they take the freed-up bus lane space, combine it with a crapload of parking spots, and turn it into a dedicated bike lane, right alongside the existing two lanes of deadly speeding autos and trucks.
  • booklaw
    booklaw
    While we're at it, let's demolish all of the stores and residential buildings... then we can have lots of bike lanes on every street!
  • ringrunner
    ringrunner
    booklaw wrote: While we're at it, let's demolish all of the stores and residential buildings... then we can have lots of bike lanes on every street!
    Naw, let's get rid of Prospect Park and build a parking lot.
  • snarkslope
    snarkslope
    Danny Hellman wrote: No, I'm suggesting that they take the freed-up bus lane space, combine it with a crapload of parking spots, and turn it into a dedicated bike lane, right alongside the existing two lanes of deadly speeding autos and trucks.
    I think you'd have a very difficult time persuading politicians, not to mention residents, that what Park Slope needs is FEWER parking spaces-almost by half on 8th Avenue. If you hate cars, you would probably not enjoy the doubling of idling cars, double parked or circling, searching for a reduced number of spots. :roll:
  • snarkslope
    snarkslope
    And P.S., in general I am not anti-bike, though I am anti-bikers who endanger themselves and pedestrians, I see it every day in Park Slope. Why do so many run red lights? My friend was hit by a bike when she was crossing legally, broke her collarbone. And while I'm on my soapbox: WEAR A HELMET! It astounds me how many urban cyclists don't.

    I think there is a lot of bad behavior in Park Slope by supposedly responsible adults - just like we are known for producing entitled kids, our adults do whatever they want, drive too fast, cut off walkers, pedestrians cross without looking, cyclists go through lights at high speed. This bikers vs. cars vs. pedestrians tension is never going to end.
  • homeowner
    homeowner
    PPW is already going to be reduced from 3 lanes to 2 for a dedicated bike lane.

    I say make it parking: car motorcycle/scooter, and bike. So for example one stop could be additional car parking, the next stop would be scooter/motorcycle parking, and the next would be bike parking up the length of the bus route. You would not add in as many car spots, but it could potentially make everyone happy.
  • danny hellman
    danny hellman
    It's weird how people get so freaked out by bicyclists going through red lights, but I see no complaints about motorists routinely speeding up as lights turn from yellow to red, or the constant u-turns. Half the drivers in this city are murderous morons who shouldn't be permitted to operate a steak knife, let alone a motor vehicle.

    Yeah, this city really needs more parking spots, so more people can have more cars, resulting in more traffic, more pollution, more asthma, more auto fatalities, more offshore drilling, more wars for oil. You want parking? Move to New Jersey.
  • turtle95
    turtle95
    ringrunner wrote: [quote=Danny Hellman]Screw parking. Dedicated bike lanes, please!
    They are doing that. Did you see, they put the "bike" stop light on the polls on PPW.

    I wondered what those things were. I saw them on the lampposts at 14th St & PPW, covered in burlap and didn't know what they would be used for.
  • snarkslope
    snarkslope
    Yeah, if we get more parking spots on 8th Avenue I'm definitely going to buy more cars! I can't wait! Should I get two or three more? Whatever! I'll be able to park! I'll get five! Yeah!

    As I clearly stated earlier, most Park Slopers behave atrociously when navigating the sidewalks/streets, and errant bicyclists, drivers, and pedestrians are all to blame. I guess I didn't make it abundantly clear that I am against morons who murder other people. Yeah, that's bad.
  • snarkslope
    snarkslope
    Danny Hellman wrote: It's weird how people get so freaked out by bicyclists going through red lights, but I see no complaints about motorists routinely speeding up as lights turn from yellow to red, or the constant u-turns.
    For the record, I get equally pissed by ANYONE who runs a red light, as well as by pedestrians who saunter against the light without even looking up, assuming, because they are in Park Slope, that the world revolves around them. So, yeah, if you're not following the law, you're pissing me off. Now you know.
  • danny hellman
    danny hellman
    I'm not suggesting that additional parking spots will encourage folks to buy second and third cars. The point I'm trying to make is that, in order to reduce the suffocating glut of autos in this city, auto ownership must be discouraged, and safe alternatives to auto use must be made widely available. You do this by increasing the number of dedicated bike lanes, trimming back sidewalk parking, and restoring our streets to their original state, (rational, breathable single lanes instead of cramped, chaotic double lanes).

    BTW, I wouldn't single out the Slope as some anomalous hotspot of bad motoring. Take your bike for a spin along the length of Fulton St, Broadway, Flatbush, Atlantic, and Parkside Ave for some seriously terrifying rides.
  • eggcream
    eggcream
    booklaw wrote: While we're at it, let's demolish all of the stores and residential buildings... then we can have lots of bike lanes on every street!

    :lol: Don't give em any ideas.
  • eggcream
    eggcream
    Danny Hellman wrote: It's weird how people get so freaked out by bicyclists going through red lights, but I see no complaints about motorists routinely speeding up as lights turn from yellow to red, or the constant u-turns. Half the drivers in this city are murderous morons who shouldn't be permitted to operate a steak knife, let alone a motor vehicle.

    Yeah, this city really needs more parking spots, so more people can have more cars, resulting in more traffic, more pollution, more asthma, more auto fatalities, more offshore drilling, more wars for oil. You want parking? Move to New Jersey.
    Cities can't survive without cars or trucks. How would your tofu get here.
    Move to the country with wide open spaces, less pollution if it bothers you so much.
  • danny hellman
    danny hellman
    eggcream wrote:
    Cities can't survive without cars or trucks.
    Oh, that's just crap. City dwellers managed to get through the 19th Century just fine without cars.

    I'm not arguing that cars should be banned outright. I'm suggesting that car ownership should be made as inconvenient and expensive as reasonably possible, in order to decrease their numbers. Car owners should be taxed, and those revenues spent on improvements to our public transportation infrastructure.
    eggcream wrote:
    How would your tofu get here.
    I eat local tofu.
    eggcream wrote:
    Move to the country with wide open spaces, less pollution if it bothers you so much.
    This city pre-dates cars by hundreds of years. The belief that it's somehow necessary to own a car in this city, (with the possible exception of the outer reaches of the outer boroughs) is just ridiculous.

    Meanwhile, the suburbs were developed to capitalize on widespread auto ownership. I insist that those who've bonded on a deep emotional level with their cars would be happiest living in the suburbs, where there are no sidewalks, and TGI Fridays is just a quick spin down the highway.
  • ringrunner
    ringrunner
    Cities can't survive without cars or trucks. How would your tofu get here.
    Move to the country with wide open spaces, less pollution if it bothers you so much.

    Or course cities need cars and trucks, but Park Slope is an example of a place were one does not need either. People live here (and move here) because the subway is so accessible. In Park Slope you can live a fine life without a car. In the wide open spaces of the country you need to get in your car to buy a quart of milk.
  • booklaw
    booklaw
    It has become obvious to me that "Danny Hellman"
    is simply a pseudonym used by Mayor Bloomberg when he posts on this site.
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