Devil With A Red Vespa
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MHA wrote: My buddy is convinced that he should confront DWARV as he is slightly insulted at the idea of creeping her out. He thinks that she should be thankful that the Vespa wasn't stolen, and that the fact that she couldn't call is slightly insulting.
I think your buddy should definitely reconsider his proposed course of action, as to a large degree said confrontation would only validate DWARV's concerns. Being confronted by someone for not thanking them for what should have been an anonymous good deed anyway? The keys are returned, your friend did what he thought was the right thing... I don't see the need for any other action.
Sometimes a good deed goes unanswered.... tough titties, life goes on. -
Yeah. Agreed. After all, Batman isn't thanked either.
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How does your friend know DWRV is creeped out?
How can he be insulted if he doesn't even know what really happened?
Why should he be insulted if DWRV didn't have the manners to thank him?
Why not just stop her next time you see her and introduce yourself as the good samaritan?
If she is creeped out then, then you can hate her or whatever.
You did the good thing and thats the important thing. -
Well, my guess is he is insulted because she didn't thank him Tsarina. He doesn't know that she is creeped out, but based on the responding consensus in this forum (and others) he assumes that she is.
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saskia wrote: [quote=MHA](
And to the LAWD poster, I guess you live a very sheltered life if you think a post about a possible scenario about lost/found keys is the most ignorant thing you've seen in your life. Please try to get out more.
LOL! Actually, I practice the skunt avoidance program in my quest for a skunt free existence ;-) -
Outside Child,
Perhaps you missed my post above ?
Let's all cool it with the ad hominem jabs and get back to discussing Vespas. -
jeffrey wrote: Outside Child,
I was not calling that person a skunt just explaining how I avoid ignorance and it does not mean I sheltered ;-)
Perhaps you missed my post above ?
Let's all cool it with the ad hominem jabs and get back to discussing Vespas. -
Outside Child wrote: just explaining how I avoid ignorance
Is there an app for that? -
jeffrey wrote: [quote=Outside Child]just explaining how I avoid ignorance
Is there an app for that?
can we put that in the public water supply? -
jeffrey wrote: [quote=Outside Child]just explaining how I avoid ignorance
Is there an app for that?
LOL what I call the skunt avoidance program which includes not going where I know there will be a bunch of ignorant fools and keeping a certain meditation and aura about me so the badminded ones don't want to come anywhere near
Of course this works like 90% of the time but there is always a lone skunt who slip thru now and again, but not that often at all ;-) -
MHA wrote: Well, my guess is he is insulted because she didn't thank him Tsarina. He doesn't know that she is creeped out, but based on the responding consensus in this forum (and others) he assumes that she is.
An assumption and other people conjecturing regarding possible excuses is not based in facts. Perhaps she left her keys in the Vespa because she just lost her job and her (fill in the blank) just died or whatever... None of these are the facts. wouldnt it be better just to inquire directly how she is and introduce himself? -
Tsarina, this is my point of contention. I think socially productive behavior should be rewarded -- not with monetary gain or even social status, but rather, with (at the least,) private appreciation. This young lady left her keys in a Vespa, which isn't cheap. I think the fact that some guy was honest and brave enough to care warrants SOMETHING. I am confident that he was not the only one who saw the keys in the ignition, but he was the only one who did something about it. We use this forum to kvetch and otherwise critique our neighborhood. We complain about spitting, glaring, noise, etc. Here is a guy who did what I think anyone would want done for them -- and what are the majority of the response about? That her precaution is warranted because 'after all, this is New York.' Yeah, it is New York, and a part of the lore is that there are people who will step away from their centered selves and give a helping hand -- and say thank you for it. I will be very honest with you, when I saw the wallet in the street, I felt like just saying 'fcukit'. and leaving it be. When I hold doors for women and they walk through without an expression of appreciation -- but instead they act as if I am SUPPOSED to do hold doors for them -- I have to fight the urge to not resort to cynicism and not hold the door the next time.
I put DWARV's supposed precaution in the same bag as those who believe that there is some merit to the 'No Snitching' ethos. Both are socially unproductive characteristics. Proponents of both rationalize their cowardice and make virtue out of at least one of the deadly sins:selfishness.
I share my friend's ire. I don't buy the 'I am a scared woman and I have to be careful,' schitik. I think she's selfish, and self centered, and to paraphrase Mr. Samuel Jackson, ''And I hope she (and her devil-red Vespa) burns in hell!'' -
That's the hard part of this. In the end, having only speculation to spin the mind and no real hard info to go on for the key details...
-- other than the fact that she did not reach out to say thank you, even from a neutral location and phone line like the lost wallet guy did from his office --
...we are left with no closure and only more frustrating speculation. -
Oh Jesus Jeffrey!
Are you Spock's bastard child or something? C'mon!!!! Stop playing Vulcan here and be a gaddang Romulan for a moment! -
I think I just snarfed my ice water. LMAO
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Live long and prosper dude. I gotta get off this thing for a few hours.
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Outside Child wrote:
I guess you think you're clever. *yawn*
LOL! Actually, I practice the skunt avoidance program in my quest for a skunt free existence ;-) -
Do you realize that no comment was made about the protagonist or the chick with the scooter above. c'mon, let's learn from me and CTK and stop the bickering. Let's use the forum for discourse.
And to add to the discussion, I have to say that what my buddy feels is what Ellison describes so well in Invisible Man. He feels like the background in this woman's story. He feels like he's just color for her existence, much like a Black face in one of those movies where whitefolks go to Africa, fall in love with each other, and have great sex in the bushes or a tent or something.
I mean, he saved -- her Vespa! She probably still paying forthe darned thing! You mean to tell me that she couldn't give the brother a call? -
So I'm going to flip this on you...
Tell your boy to stop looking for validation from the white (wo)man. Tell him that as history clearly shows, a black man will never get credit for the good he has done, but he will get blamed for the bad in others. Tell him, that this chick will certainly speak to him to ask him if he saw what happened to her scooter the next time she leaves her keys in the ignition and someone 14 year-old drives off with it and is scootering his buddies on it through the neighborhood.
He can get his thank you then.
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He has her address. Maybe he should print out this thread, put it in an envelope, address it to Devil with Red Vespa, Street Address, Brooklyn, NY, let her read the whole thing through and see if she responds. I suspect the response at this point with all this conjecture about her on a public forum will not be "thank you."
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Homeowner, I don't want to agree with you, but it's like gravity man, facts are facts.
Saskia, I doubt he's going to do that. I think the existence of the thread is enough. Whenever you see a red Vespa, just imagine, it could be her. Also, he doesn't have her address. He has an idea of where she lives, bt he doesn't have her address. Also, are you saying that this online conversation should not have taken place? -
MHA I agree with you about everything in this thread. There is no excuse for lack of manners and unfortunately it is a fact of life. Rude and/or thoughtless people come in every shape and size (and color) and economic strata. You cant control what someone else does so maybe its better to accept it and then let it go.
I also agree that race matters, like it or not. Nobody can deny white priveledge, or everyone's preconceived notions of the "other guy". Everyone here in the neighborhood is representing all their different affiliations so we need to perhaps make more of an effort to get along.
But do you (not you personally) really think its a racial thing? I'm reading the post about getting validation from a white woman from Homeowner, and I'm thinking that little Miss Vespa would be equally thoughtless to white guys. What do you think? -
Yeah Tsarina, I do think that race matters. I don't think she would be so thoughtless were my buddy a white dude. I think my boojee subscription to the New York Times pays off here. You know that section where the guy gives out ethical opinions? I recall reading something like this in the magazine section some time back; he agreed that the beneficiary of a good deed should have thrown caution to the wind and reached out. It's highly unlikely that a rapist, a pedophile, or a murderer is going to use what would popularly be considered an act of altruism as a means of catering to their vice. It stands to reason that If your intersts are raping or killing, then theft would be a cakewalk.
This is what I think happened:
Neighbor: Hey Jane (made up name), Some guy came by. He - like - found your
keys in your Vespa!
Jane: "OMIGOD! Your KIDDING me!"
Neighbor: Yeah! He was walking by and he saw them in there, and he said he had
an idea that you live here, so he rang all the bells, and I heard him, and I
answered the door.
Jane: OMIGOD! Thank you so much! Whoa!...Wait, he knows where I live? Did he
say what his name is? Is it Steve (not Crazy Steve)?
Neighbor: Uh, no. It wasn't Steve. Uhm, Well, he's bla -- African-American(?)
[question mark connotes she's not too sure whether to say Black or AA],
kinda cute, about 5-11 and...
Jane: OMIGOD..OH...NO. I don't know ANYBODY who looks like THAT....He
KNOWS where I live??? OH....
Neighbor: Yeuuh (she throws a flustered hand through her hair to throw a stubborn
blond cowlick back behind her ear)! He like, Knows where WE live, and
he said he left a note on your scooter.
Jane: He LEFT a note on my VESPA??? -
MHA, PM me her address, I will personally alert her to this thread and your assumptions about her. I'm serious.
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Oh HELL no. Won't do that. I do not know where she lives. My buddy knows where she lives. I know where Crazy Steve lives; 693 Sterling Place.
Why are you so concerned about said whitechick!? You should be concerned about Crazy Steve! What are you gonna tell her, that there's a Black guy talking about her online??! To heck with that! If you want to do something good, let Crazy Steve's mama know what's going on. Let her understand the great detriment her Michael Jordan shirt wearing son is doing to our community. There you go catering to white entitlement Jeepers.
There is little value in what apologies or defense she could give now. A response from her --- activated by online PUBLIC discussion is just ALIBI and not TRUTH. Her actions are candid to us because we observe them unbeknownst to her. We're like the Gods!
Sweetmex, I gotta tell ya, I think a part of your desire to alert her is because she is:
A - a woman;
B - a WHITE woman; and
C - 'you feel her pain' -- cuz YOU wite too!! (purposely misspelled 'white')
You want to help her for the same reason whitefolks give more to white beggars on the train: Cuz you think someone of that 'standing' ought not to be perceived where they are, and it makes you uncomfortable to see one of your own not 'representing the race', sotospeak.
Let me ask YOU a question: What would be more 'creepy' to her, the fact that a whitechick like you knows where she lives or a Bigger Thomas like me does? Seriously.... Speak the truth here..... YOUR WHITENESS (and/or FEMALENESS) is what (in your head) gives you license to knock on Jane's door and flick your own cowlicks back and say, 'Hey Jane, could I talk to you for a second?'
Seriously. No soup for you....
Am I wrong here people????
What say you, Jeffrey???? -
Oops. I deleted my posted response after reading your above reply. Read into that what you will.
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AHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Another one!!!!!!!!!!
Here's the thing you are missing wite girl (or woman) number two!
No Black person thinks the way you do. (broad brush, but you get the point...)
Black people think like me because of the world we live in. And you live in the world and shake your head in amazement that I ( or WE) see the world the way I do -- without UNDERSTANDING that the REASON I see the world the way I do is because of how YOU live in it. That HISTORY has forced Black people to consider thinking like this; Living like this. That we have to take into consideration the race variable with a great deal of how we live our lives. I'm not making this stuff up folks. This is reality for a large portion of Blackvolk. This is the vestige of history, and it's not going away, folks. You don't think about race because you for the most part, don't HAVE to. WE DO. My buddy does too. It might be illusion, but it is such a well crafted one, that it is virtually real -- just like the words that you read in front of you -- in this virtual reality we call the DWARV thread... Where is Cornel West or Manning Marable when you need them?
The 'Prism of Race' folks, the prism of race!!!! (Google 'prism of race') -
I'm Mexican.. nice that you have such broad assumptions
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MHA wrote: Do you realize that no comment was made about the protagonist or the chick with the scooter above. c'mon, let's learn from me and CTK and stop the bickering. Let's use the forum for discourse.
I think continuing to agonize over the whole thing and expect a huge thank you and all that is counterproductive. It's already been like a week or whatever and your friend still seems distraught- I may be taking a leap here but from what I can read from between the lines it almost seems like the only reason your friend did this was to get closer to this chick, and now that it didn't go as he expected he's confused and disappointed. As a grown man he should have known good and well that his good deed could have gone unanswered, and to confuse the issue with neighborhood dynamics or racial histories doesn't make sense to me....
And to add to the discussion, I have to say that what my buddy feels is what Ellison describes so well in Invisible Man. He feels like the background in this woman's story. He feels like he's just color for her existence, much like a Black face in one of those movies where whitefolks go to Africa, fall in love with each other, and have great sex in the bushes or a tent or something.
I mean, he saved -- her Vespa! She probably still paying forthe darned thing! You mean to tell me that she couldn't give the brother a call?
He did a good think. She didn't thank him. It's over, tell him to let it go. -
MHA wrote: Oh HELL no. Won't do that. I do not know where she lives. My buddy knows where she lives. I know where Crazy Steve lives; 693 Sterling Place.
MHA I know we agreed not to go back and forth here, but there are a lot of quantum leaps and unwarranted attacks in here that I take issue with....
Why are you so concerned about said whitechick!? You should be concerned about Crazy Steve! What are you gonna tell her, that there's a Black guy talking about her online??! To heck with that! If you want to do something good, let Crazy Steve's mama know what's going on. Let her understand the great detriment her Michael Jordan shirt wearing son is doing to our community. There you go catering to white entitlement Jeepers.
There is little value in what apologies or defense she could give now. A response from her --- activated by online PUBLIC discussion is just ALIBI and not TRUTH. Her actions are candid to us because we observe them unbeknownst to her. We're like the Gods!
Sweetmex, I gotta tell ya, I think a part of your desire to alert her is because she is:
A - a woman;
B - a WHITE woman; and
C - 'you feel her pain' -- cuz YOU wite too!! (purposely misspelled 'white')
You want to help her for the same reason whitefolks give more to white beggars on the train: Cuz you think someone of that 'standing' ought not to be perceived where they are, and it makes you uncomfortable to see one of your own not 'representing the race', sotospeak.
Let me ask YOU a question: What would be more 'creepy' to her, the fact that a whitechick like you knows where she lives or a Bigger Thomas like me does? Seriously.... Speak the truth here..... YOUR WHITENESS (and/or FEMALENESS) is what (in your head) gives you license to knock on Jane's door and flick your own cowlicks back and say, 'Hey Jane, could I talk to you for a second?'
Seriously. No soup for you....
Am I wrong here people????
What say you, Jeffrey????
If you can't formulate a viewpoint without having to resort to broad + baseless assumptions, maybe it's time to re-evaluate said viewpoints...
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