PPW bike lane update
so 2 weeks into the very simple project has turned into a boondoggle. bike lane was supposed to be completed this past monday. green lane hasn't been painted past Carroll street. bikers riding in the middle of the street/on the sidewalks/ and along paths of the park instead of the road. They were promised this lane and it's still not done. traffic is a disaster. people still speeding, close calls trying to pass one another when trucks, buses, taxis, fresh direct, etc insist on stopping in one of the lanes instead of pulling up to an open area, people trying to park on either side of the st creates this major pileup, traffic backs up, horns honk, people yell. IT IS A MESS and no one is doing anything to fix this. Why has no one completed the paint job? It is stuck on stupid....
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Not so, they've actually made steady progress. I rode on the bike path Saturday from 5th to Flatbush and felt very safe riding behind the parked cars.
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^ agree. I walk down PPW several times a week and have seen a lot of progress in the past 2 weeks or so
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bluecat unless you went around the barriers there's no way you road from flatbush to 5th st. along the entire bikepath. there are barrels and tape from GAP-Carroll st and that's where the green stops. it has been in limbo since last monday.
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^ I didn't see that part, but I have seen a lot of work done further down - all the way to Bartel Pritchard Square - in the past 2 weeks.
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There are No Parkings signs up towards the Bartel Pritchard Square for this upcoming week for road repair. I think it's all happening, just at the typical NYC construction pace.
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It's a disaster.
We have to drive down PPW 2-3 times a week during weekday, non-rush hours and between the cars parked on the left, the double parking on the right, only one lane is left for travel.
It could be the worst implementation of a bike lane I've ever seen. -
I don't know whey they didn't just leave the driving lanes as is and take the parking away. Either way, we need a bike lane there. If you want to travel north, the park road on this side goes the other way, 8th Ave is a freaking scary speedway, and they ticket bikes using the park sidewalk. And for those upset about losing a driving lane, you should be happy with the two you have b/c I thought that one option was to make it a two way street.
More buses and bike lanes, fewer cars and Brooklyn could be much safer and more awesome, imo. -
And from the parts I've seen, the bike lane looks useable to me and I've seen bikes in it.
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nony wrote: bluecat unless you went around the barriers there's no way you road from flatbush to 5th st. along the entire bikepath. there are barrels and tape from GAP-Carroll st and that's where the green stops. it has been in limbo since last monday.
There were no barriers from 5th -> Carroll. I rode some of the green from Carroll to Flatbush; the paint's dry and the tape was off. Near Flatbush I rode between the parked cars and the taped off barrels. I was never riding in moving traffic.
I heard the work was to be completed in June. Therefore DOT is on target to complete the work on time. -
I've been walking PPW just about every day since work began and they're making steady progress. I don't what the OP is talking about... like others said, they're almost all the way down to BPS and have been following behind steadily with the painting job.
I think it's going brilliantly and is a tremendous addition to the neighborhood. It makes the PPW sidewalk feel *so* much safer w/o the three lanes of freeway-speed traffic whizzing by. To those who think it's affecting traffic for the worse: whatever. I've driven it on a Sunday afternoon, at rush hour on a weekday and at various other times. Traffic is slower, but that was part of the point: to calm the traffic. Speeds were WAY too high on PPW before and now they're approaching normal for a road that has so much pedestrian cross-traffic.
So, suck it up people. It's a good thing. If you want to speed through the neighborhood, head over to the BQE or Gowanus Expwy. -
can someone please remind me why this project was a good idea?
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Niner wrote: It's a disaster.
When it's finished, it'll be a GREAT bike lane, exactly what's needed to protect bicyclists from the speeding goons who drive in this city. The only thing wrong with the PPW bike lane is that it doesn't encircle the entire park.
We have to drive down PPW 2-3 times a week during weekday, non-rush hours and between the cars parked on the left, the double parking on the right, only one lane is left for travel.
It could be the worst implementation of a bike lane I've ever seen. -
8thandPrez wrote: I've been walking PPW just about every day since work began and they're making steady progress. I don't what the OP is talking about... like others said, they're almost all the way down to BPS and have been following behind steadily with the painting job.
suck nothing up. nothing's been done steadily. it is NOT a brilliant addition to the neighborhood. they started. took 2 days off. waited another week to even start the painting. stopped after one day.
I think it's going brilliantly and is a tremendous addition to the neighborhood. It makes the PPW sidewalk feel *so* much safer w/o the three lanes of freeway-speed traffic whizzing by. To those who think it's affecting traffic for the worse: whatever. I've driven it on a Sunday afternoon, at rush hour on a weekday and at various other times. Traffic is slower, but that was part of the point: to calm the traffic. Speeds were WAY too high on PPW before and now they're approaching normal for a road that has so much pedestrian cross-traffic.
So, suck it up people. It's a good thing. If you want to speed through the neighborhood, head over to the BQE or Gowanus Expwy.
we were told they'd be back and they haven't been. people are still riding on the sidewalks or the middle of the road defying and daring the cars. i'm not arguing pros or cons of the bike lane, i just think the orchestration of the project sucks. get it done already and then let the problems really begin! -
Your math doesn't add up to what's been done AND, moreover, at least they're doing SOMETHING, which is more than you could say for Iris Weinshall's entire career as DOT commish. It's fantastic, brilliant, and makes this city inch slightly closer to real livability.
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8thandPrez wrote: Your math doesn't add up to what's been done AND, moreover, at least they're doing SOMETHING, which is more than you could say for Iris Weinshall's entire career as DOT commish. It's fantastic, brilliant, and makes this city inch slightly closer to real livability.
Right on! I rode the bike lane with my 6 year old from 2nd street to 9th street. It was FANTASTIC!
Sounds to me that the OP has a beef with bike lanes in general. -
that shit SUCKS.. ive seen 2 accidents due to double parked delivery trucks and ppl trying to walking between cars crossing in the middle of the street !!!
what the hell is that big ass park that is almost CLOSED to all traffic for !
I HATE THIS particular bike lane !!!
i LOVE MY CAR !!!!! -
I rode with my 6 year old from 9th Street to 3rd Street. Love it. Great addition to the neighborhood.
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supreme_ian wrote: that shit SUCKS.. ive seen 2 accidents due to double parked delivery trucks and ppl trying to walking between cars crossing in the middle of the street !!!
what the hell is that big ass park that is almost CLOSED to all traffic for !
I HATE THIS particular bike lane !!!
i LOVE MY CAR !!!!!
Then your problem should be with people who double park or cross in the middle of the street. -
The park should be closed to traffic because IT"S A PARK, not a highway.
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8thandPrez wrote: The park should be closed to traffic because IT"S A PARK, not a highway.
Amen. Cars consistently blow through the light on the east side of the Longmeadow. While out for my morning walk, I have almost been hit twice recently, while crossing with light, by people who did not even slow down. Last week one car actually stopped and one or maybe two cars that came up behind had not slowed down at all and plowed into them. They even ended up having to call an ambulance.
I don't get why cars are allowed to speed through a place meant as a safe place for people with children and pets. -
They need to do something about the turn from Bartel Pritchard onto 15th Street. I have signed a ton of petitions to add either a stop sign or traffic light there, but all that happens is they make larger stripes for the crosswalk and bigger "yield to pedestrians in crosswalk" signs. NOBODY yields. You take your life into your hands crossing that street. People use it as a cut-through from the park to the BQE and race like lunatics to do it.
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8thandPrez wrote: The park should be closed to traffic because IT"S A PARK, not a highway.
I agree 100%. The park should be respite from the cars, trucks and associated noise of the internal combustion engine. It does, however, need to be done in a way that ensures that diverted traffic does not terrorize the bordering neighborhoods. -
Whole neighborhood should be free of D-bags in full on X Games gear riding on the sidewalk, if you don't feel safe in the street, bike lane or not, don't ride. I'm talking about adults of course, kids get a pass, except those #@$&; kickboards.
And the park should be free from wannabe Lance Armstrongs who get all pissy cause they were trying to break the lap record and you balked them by riding too slow. -
Flexichick wrote: They need to do something about the turn from Bartel Pritchard onto 15th Street. I have signed a ton of petitions to add either a stop sign or traffic light there, but all that happens is they make larger stripes for the crosswalk and bigger "yield to pedestrians in crosswalk" signs. NOBODY yields. You take your life into your hands crossing that street. People use it as a cut-through from the park to the BQE and race like lunatics to do it.
Oh man, you are SO right about that turn, Flexi. I'm a bit of a vigilante pedestrian and it really pisses me off that no one apparently sees that damned yield sign. I've banged on more than one car that's blown through while I've been crossing. It will probably get me shot, but it will be worth it in the end.
Have you written to DOT about it? That's actually a good idea that I hadn't thought of before you posted. -
I think they should pave Prospect Park and turn it into big parking lot.
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8thandPrez wrote: [quote=Flexichick]They need to do something about the turn from Bartel Pritchard onto 15th Street. I have signed a ton of petitions to add either a stop sign or traffic light there, but all that happens is they make larger stripes for the crosswalk and bigger "yield to pedestrians in crosswalk" signs. NOBODY yields. You take your life into your hands crossing that street. People use it as a cut-through from the park to the BQE and race like lunatics to do it.
Oh man, you are SO right about that turn, Flexi. I'm a bit of a vigilante pedestrian and it really pisses me off that no one apparently sees that damned yield sign. I've banged on more than one car that's blown through while I've been crossing. It will probably get me shot, but it will be worth it in the end.
Have you written to DOT about it? That's actually a good idea that I hadn't thought of before you posted.
I am also a "vigilante pedestrian", yelling at cars, crossing extra-slowly while pointing at the sign, etc.
I have not written to the DOT. I wonder if that would work. I get the impression (from the people who organized the signature drive(s)) that this might have been done already, but I'd be up for trying again. -
Flexichick wrote:
Definitely right to the DOT. I know someone who wrote to Sadi Kahn directly to fix pot holes on a bike access to the George Washington Bridge and it got fixed. It took several months, but she did send a crew to fix it. I think adding a light or stop sign takes more of an approval process than just patching up a pot hole, but it seems that they do listen.
I have not written to the DOT. I wonder if that would work. I get the impression (from the people who organized the signature drive(s)) that this might have been done already, but I'd be up for trying again. -
Rode the new bike lane both ways, end to end, the last two days. LOVE IT! (except for the ice cream truck and random other vehicles parked in it).
It was easy to see if pedestrians were crossing in the lane, which is what I was worried about. -
Its hard to understand why someone would NOT like the new bike lane.
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I find it pretty funny that there is such a big push to get a bike lane on the west side of the park where the southbound bike path is less than 100 yards from the entrance to the park, but there is absolutely no discussion of a northbound bike path on the east side of the park, where there is no northbound alternative inside the park at all.
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