Why Iran should have nukes.
A democratically elected prime minister was ousted by the cia. the puppet shah just took orders from the us.
the people rise up and came the Islamic republic.(crappy government but its the one they chose)
the us wasn't happy about that, they egged on Iraq to invade Iran. Iran lost millions.
Any sane country would get weapons for self defense. history is on their side.
the people rise up and came the Islamic republic.(crappy government but its the one they chose)
the us wasn't happy about that, they egged on Iraq to invade Iran. Iran lost millions.
Any sane country would get weapons for self defense. history is on their side.
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Subject: Why Iran should NOT have Nuclear weapons:
1. America views Iran as an enemy and a potential threat. An Iranian nuclear weapon would make Iran a more dangerous enemy, potentially putting the lives of Americans (including American Muslims) at risk. In addition to being able to eventually strike the American homeland, Iran could use (or threaten to use) nuclear weapons against American forces in the Middle East. Iran could also threaten American allies and jeopardize American access to cheap Middle Eastern oil. An Iranian nuclear weapon would mean less American leverage over Iran.
2. Israel views Iran as an enemy and a potential threat. Iran has called for the destruction of Israel. America is committed to the protection of Israel. If Iran attacks Israel with a nuclear weapon, America could be drawn into a nuclear war, potentially putting the lives of Americans (including American Muslims) at risk.
3. Al Qaeda has expressed an interest in acquiring nuclear weapons. Iranian nuclear weapons could fall into the hands of Al Qaeda, which would use such weapons against America. Even though Al Qaeda and Iran are ideological rivals, they have a common enemy: America. -
all these are nothing more than western fears and projections of its own history of invasions and interventions of others.
also majority of worlds nuclear weapons are held by white people. hmm only white people have the right to kill everyone human being on earth. besides that why do you think white people created things like the un and other organizations. when land and other things once stolen becomes fair and square anyone else does it would be criminals. -
pass.
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then why are you here, living on stolen land acquired by the white man and not back in your homeland?
ah crap... the correct answer was Putnams! lol -
I'm on land so called legitimately acquire by the noble white people. I'll leave when white people do. not before i get compensated for buying stolen land.
other wise its just more white/western hypocrisy. and simply my point with crazy white people hypocrisy that's is why they should have it. they have more to fear from the west than the other way around. how many have they killed? vs western killing them directly and indirectly. -
I'm wondering how many Asian countries have to guard themselves against China once their food and mineral supplies start running low.
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Idlewild wrote: I'm wondering how many Asian countries have to guard themselves against China once their food and mineral supplies start running low.
china is about the only sane country in the world right now. self induce limited population with the one child policy. no country has the balls to do it. humanity has use up most resources. Too bad china didn't take a play book out of european powers. take everything and declare it manifest destiny and once things are stolen its fair and square.
most of china's modern problems come from european intervention and land grabbing in the 1800's. -
Ah, yes..the one-child policy.
Let's talk about that.
How many baby girls were killed or abandoned because they weren't boys? Plenty it seems, since the younger population of China right now has a vast majority of males over females since the policy was implemented instead of the usual, near 50-50 split.
And due to a proportionate lack of females, many of these will not find a mate as men, again posing additional challenges for its population.
That's how it' supposed to work, you say? For now, perhaps.
But in 20 years the demographics of China will be more like that of Florida, with a huge percent of the overall population aged beyond the workforce (and drawing from services), and a much smaller percentage of actual population in the workforce, left to pay for everyone.
And as far as China being the only sane country left and without fault, it sure was inspiring to see China as the lone player pumping financial and weapons support into the Sudanese government while it committed atrocities in Darfur, all just for oil to feed the hungry demand of it's overpolluting, currency-peg-protected industrial growth.
And that's just the tip of the human rights and industrial abuses iceberg discussions.
C'mon...every country has it's dark, seedy, murderous and greedy side.
China is absolutely no exception to that. -
sudan isn't china's province, they should have their own laws and government has nothing to do with china. when people do business they don't interfere with other peoples house holds.
within a few generations china's population will shrink. that solves the matter of over population, its draconian but its effective. we have finite resources in teh world. and the west answer to this is keep feeding and encouraging stupid poor people to have more kids! ie our social welfare programs. you can only grow so big without running out of land and resources. -
AW>>most of china's modern problems come from european intervention and land grabbing in the 1800's.
Really?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Sino-Japanese_War -
Armchair Warrior, I am not going to disagree or agree with you regarding nukes and whether or not Iran should have them, however once they do get them (I believe they will) , that region of the world is more prone to instability, and said nukes will start an arms race that will lead to major destabilization. The Shiite Muslim identity, the Persian martyrdom ethos, and the visceral hatred of Israel and the United States dooms that region of the world. I for one think Iran is of the mind that they will cut off the nose to spire the face. Seriously. I think they are ballsy enough to make a first strike against Israel, and, if Israel makes a first strike, Iran will no doubt respond. I think Iran can live with wiping Israel off the face of the earth, regardless of the consequences. They have a different way at discerning victory. For them, not having the weapon is akin to not being 'in the know', and the Persian sensibility is akin to that of the white supremacists -- in my opinion; After all, that's where white folks got it from.
Iran is positioning itself as the true 'Mecca' of the Middle East, and with the advent of the oil running out in the Sunni kingdom of Saudi Arabia, Persian and Shiite influence will grow. Iran is playing frighteningly masterful politics. I have no doubt that they are in cahoots with Russia and China for information technology that will enable them to build their nukes. What is a great mitigating factor is U.S. intelligence. American computer surveillance know how has enabled the American government to maniplate Iranian data and foil attempts at building at a faster rate, but the Iranians will no doubt circumvent this. The next 30 years are going to be scary. -
MHA wrote: I for one think Iran is of the mind that they will cut off the nose to spire the face. Seriously. I think they are ballsy enough to make a first strike against Israel, and, if Israel makes a first strike, Iran will no doubt respond. I think Iran can live with wiping Israel off the face of the earth, regardless of the consequences. They have a different way at discerning victory.
I don't think this is an accurate reading of Iran's short term or long term goals, or an accurate reading of the Iranian population as a whole.MHA wrote: For them, not having the weapon is akin to not being 'in the know'
IMHO its far more a tool of power and a bargaining chip than it is actually wanting the technology in order to blow up Israel. I promse you a million times over that the Mullahs and Iranian people care much more about being a regional power (which means being alive) than they do about attacking Israel with nukes.MHA wrote: and the Persian sensibility is akin to that of the white supremacists -- in my opinion; After all, that's where white folks got it from.'
I don't know what this means. -
Boygabriel wrote:
I don't know what this means.
[quote=MHA] and the Persian sensibility is akin to that of the white supremacists -- in my opinion; After all, that's where white folks got it from.'
It appears to be yet another racial invective dagger or sword that MHA chooses to place above his own head, along with the rest. -
sandcastler wrote: AW>>most of china's modern problems come from european intervention and land grabbing in the 1800's.
Japanese copy the western model of imperialism also china was weak from western intervention.
Really?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Sino-Japanese_War
chinese borders problem with central asia comes from russia taking control of the area. china's problem in south china sea, comes from western colonial powers taking over the area now the independent countries all claim some area.
china's borders with india stems from british land grabs and now india claims them.
i could go on....
remember china and persia was once neighbors. -
MHA wrote: Armchair Warrior, I am not going to disagree or agree with you regarding nukes and whether or not Iran should have them, however once they do get them (I believe they will) , that region of the world is more prone to instability, and said nukes will start an arms race that will lead to major destabilization. The Shiite Muslim identity, the Persian martyrdom ethos, and the visceral hatred of Israel and the United States dooms that region of the world. I for one think Iran is of the mind that they will cut off the nose to spire the face. Seriously. I think they are ballsy enough to make a first strike against Israel, and, if Israel makes a first strike, Iran will no doubt respond. I think Iran can live with wiping Israel off the face of the earth, regardless of the consequences. They have a different way at discerning victory. For them, not having the weapon is akin to not being 'in the know', and the Persian sensibility is akin to that of the white supremacists -- in my opinion; After all, that's where white folks got it from.
just another western projected fear of a none western country.
Iran is positioning itself as the true 'Mecca' of the Middle East, and with the advent of the oil running out in the Sunni kingdom of Saudi Arabia, Persian and Shiite influence will grow. Iran is playing frighteningly masterful politics. I have no doubt that they are in cahoots with Russia and China for information technology that will enable them to build their nukes. What is a great mitigating factor is U.S. intelligence. American computer surveillance know how has enabled the American government to maniplate Iranian data and foil attempts at building at a faster rate, but the Iranians will no doubt circumvent this. The next 30 years are going to be scary.
like i said why should the white man have all the power to destroy the damn world. nobody else is responsible enough? yet all modern conflicts stem from western imperialism. western country as a whole when acting internationally act like uncle ruckus. seeing nobody else doing the wrong thing and only the western way is the white(right) way. like the arrogant whale war guys. typical. imposing ones on cultural views as the only way. screw the whales and screw the whale war people and screw Christian aid.
http://www.amazon.com/Dead-Aid-Working-Better-Africa/dp/0374139563
also don't get me started on the christian aid all over the world. you think converting people to a ignorant religion as the Abrahamic religions would save the world? forces people to believe in one god and everyone else is wrong. The 3 religions of the book held back humanity for a long time.
look at the conflict of Kyrgyzstan. Russia moved around asian populations and borders so these people would be perpetually want russia involved. they also help ferment the new problem. and on queue the new government ask russia to send troops lol. -
AW>>remember china and persia was once neighbors.
Ah yes, when two of the great Asian empires had expanded so far that their reach extended each to the other’s border.
Have you read The Art of War by the great Sun Tzu? -
Armchair -- there is no fear. I agree with you.
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sandcastler wrote: AW>>remember china and persia was once neighbors.
not over extended just a bad timing of famine and drought in china at the time etc.. when the arab/islamic forces came to central asia. the last none islamic persian princes die in china, the combined forces of china and persia got defeated some where what is now Kazakhstan, it was a end for Zoroastrianism and Buddhism in central asia. good timing on the arab part almost divine timing lol.
Ah yes, when two of the great Asian empires had expanded so far that their reach extended each to the other’s border.
Have you read The Art of War by the great Sun Tzu? -
Subject: Re: Why Iran should have nukes.
armchair_warrior wrote: A democratically elected prime minister was ousted by the cia. the puppet shah just took orders from the us.
This does not explain why Iran should have nukes, can't understand which well thinking person would wand any other nation to have nukes
the people rise up and came the Islamic republic.(crappy government but its the one they chose)
the us wasn't happy about that, they egged on Iraq to invade Iran. Iran lost millions.
Any sane country would get weapons for self defense. history is on their side. -
Subject: Re: Why Iran should have nukes.
jamcl wrote: [quote=armchair_warrior]A democratically elected prime minister was ousted by the cia. the puppet shah just took orders from the us.
This does not explain why Iran should have nukes, can't understand which well thinking person would wand any other nation to have nukes
the people rise up and came the Islamic republic.(crappy government but its the one they chose)
the us wasn't happy about that, they egged on Iraq to invade Iran. Iran lost millions.
Any sane country would get weapons for self defense. history is on their side.
Well, I agree that the goal should be for all nations to forgo nukes. But I do see AW's point that it's hypocritical for the U.S., as the nation with one of the largest nuclear stockpiles, and as the only nation to have ever used nukes against anyone, to criticize another country for trying to get on the same footing, especially after we've made it clear that that is a step that will force us to deal with them on a more equal basis (see examples: India, Pakistan, Israel, North Korea). -
Subject: Re: Why Iran should have nukes.
jamcl wrote: [quote=armchair_warrior]A democratically elected prime minister was ousted by the cia. the puppet shah just took orders from the us.
This does not explain why Iran should have nukes, can't understand which well thinking person would wand any other nation to have nukes
the people rise up and came the Islamic republic.(crappy government but its the one they chose)
the us wasn't happy about that, they egged on Iraq to invade Iran. Iran lost millions.
Any sane country would get weapons for self defense. history is on their side.
its called history, if someone screws with you and always mistreated you, you have the right to self defense. Iran is like kid who got beaten by the us repeatedly over time. -
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