PPW bike lane update
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I'm confused by your comment, homeowner. Which southbound bike path are you talking about?
I think those of us happy about this are happy about any new bike lane. The new lane on PPW is two way, which is great since PPW and the road inside the park are one way (south on the west side, north on the east side in the park). If the city would put a lane along the other side of the park, I would be happy about that, too. -
Drove my car down PPW today (first time since the new alignment was complete along the entire length) and was really, really happy with the way it turned out. Traffic moved smoothly but much more slowly. The road felt less like a freeway and I would never feel comfortable speeding down it the way I was able to before. A+ to DOT for this project!
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homeowner wrote: I find it pretty funny that there is such a big push to get a bike lane on the west side of the park where the southbound bike path is less than 100 yards from the entrance to the park, but there is absolutely no discussion of a northbound bike path on the east side of the park, where there is no northbound alternative inside the park at all.
Because the bike lane was a solution to the excessive capacity of PPW. Three lanes caused reckless driving.
On the other side of the park Ocean Ave and Parkside Ave are not so wide -
I'm with OP on this thread right now. another week has gone by and the green paint has only gone from carroll st to half a block before garfield. they installed some poles but not sure why they are bothering with these poles. it's a waste of money. it has, so far, slowed traffic a bit. i do see it as an issue though with trying to parallel park.
over all, what doesn't make sense, is this whole thing is a huge investment of time and wasted man powere and money loss for the city since it's the cars that generate revenue, not the bikes (license plates, inspections, registrations and of course tickets). not good planning...also, there was a flyer on the cars and someone is holding a meeting this week near 5th street to discuss the bike path. should get interesting.... -
I'm not sure I understand this last comment above ^ here.
What does it matter if it's painted green or not?
There is now a gigantic space for bikes, protected the entire way by a line of parked cars, and traffic now has one less lane and is just a bit less Indy-500 (I know, I drive it...).
So the bike lane is there. Protected by literally tonnage of parked cars.
Who cares if they're a little slow with the final green paint on the ground, after the thing's already in place? -
ringrunner wrote:
yes, exactly.
the bike lane was a solution to the excessive capacity of PPW. Three lanes caused reckless driving.
I've been on that stretch most often in a car, and those three lanes were never full, except for tools darting around in aggro mode. Considering the park is *right there*, at first I wondered why the bike lane. Now I totally get it. Yeah bike lane!!! Sorry to ruin your road race fun, drivers - those three lanes just weren't in use.
I hope NYC makes room for more massively protected bike lanes. -
I'm all for the bike lane, but I have one issue. If trying to make a right turn onto PPW, it's very difficult to see the traffic coming towards you from a street that does not have a traffic light. It used to be there was sort of a buffer zone with the travel lane on the west side of the street. You could pull out (after stopping at the stop sign) and not really worry about getting hit by an oncoming car. I think they're eventually going to have to make a "no parking" zone near the corners of those intersections.
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ringrunner wrote:
The driving on Ocean & Parkside Aves is no less reckless. In fact, I'd say they're just as much in need of bike lanes/traffic calming as PPW.
Because the bike lane was a solution to the excessive capacity of PPW. Three lanes caused reckless driving.
On the other side of the park Ocean Ave and Parkside Ave are not so wide -
jeffrey wrote: I'm not sure I understand this last comment above ^ here.
this is what happens on this board...everything gets taken out of context...the original OP was stating how things weren't moving quickly. they half assed painted the bike lane...what was being noted was that: it's not getting done, bikers DO NOT think they can ride on the bike lane yet (i have encountered more people riding in the middle of PPW or on the side walk most do not realize they can ride on the bike lane yet or if the paint is dry or that it is even a bike lane! cars don't know where to park because some of the white lines are doubled and some are marked with poles. you would think you could park there but it turns out you can't then folks are going to get tkts because things are not clearly marked. parents have said they won't let their kids ride in the "street" so they continue to ride on the sidewalk...none of this makes sense...It is a boondoggle....
What does it matter if it's painted green or not?
There is now a gigantic space for bikes, protected the entire way by a line of parked cars, and traffic now has one less lane and is just a bit less Indy-500 (I know, I drive it...).
So the bike lane is there. Protected by literally tonnage of parked cars.
Who cares if they're a little slow with the final green paint on the ground, after the thing's already in place? -
sounds like Marty's putting a stop to the PPW bike lane:
http://www.wpix.com/news/wpix-brooklyn-bike-lane-prospect-park,0,3588858.story
" A Prospect Park West bike lane slated to be ready for the summer may never be finished after Borough President Marty Markowitz asked city Transportation Commissioner Janette Sadik-Kahn to put a halt to the project.
"What it's done in my opinion is caused a traffic congestion making it worse than it originally was, and taking away much needed parking from Park Slope residents," said Brooklyn Borough President Marty Markowitz."
if you disagree with him, let him know:
http://brooklyn-usa.org/pages/contact_us.htm -
Marty has no idea what he is talking about.
By his logic there should be 4 lanes of traffic and cars should get to park on the sidewalk because there is a perfectly good sidewalk on the other side of the street.
I can't wait till the next election so we don't have to here him talk anymore. -
ringrunner wrote: Marty has no idea what he is talking about.
^ yes. It's not just the bike lane. He's also stated the park road should be open to rush hour traffic. -
bluecat wrote: [quote=ringrunner]Marty has no idea what he is talking about.
^ yes. It's not just the bike lane. He's also stated the park road should be open to rush hour traffic.
...aha! All this time I'd never met anyone who supported traffic in the park, only those opposed.
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Marty Markowitz = Robert Mosses Lite.
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I got an email response back from him after I complained. It was basically "I'm right, you're wrong, too bad."
Robert Moses Light is very apt. -
This new bike lane has caused nothing but chaos.
People double park all the time on the side, which now means one lane for all the traffic on PPW which basically slows things to a crawl.
Having the lane go both ways makes it twice as dangerous. Now people and their kids and all their gear for the park need to look both ways for bike traffic that doesn’t even stop at red lights – how is that a smart thing?
Ride in the PARK - duh -
Double-parking is an enforcement issue for the meter maids.
CB6 asked the DOT to add dedicated signals for bikes.
If things slow to a crawl, that's probably not a bad thing, since DOT's PPW traffic survey showed 70% of the traffic was speeding above the 30mph speed limit and at least 15% were going faster than 40mph. -
Burns wrote: This new bike lane has caused nothing but chaos.
Then blame the double parkers.
People double park all the time on the side, which now means one lane for all the traffic on PPW which basically slows things to a crawl.
Having the lane go both ways makes it twice as dangerous. Now people and their kids and all their gear for the park need to look both ways for bike traffic that doesn’t even stop at red lights – how is that a smart thing?
Ride in the PARK - duh
and the park is one way and can only be entered at Grand Army Plaza, 3rd St and Bartel Prlchard Sq.
Traffic is fine, you are making this up. -
I've noted much calmer driving, surely this more than offsets any perceived inconveniences from bikers. Also , any bike mishap is certainly less severe than getting hit by a speeding car.
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doldrums wrote: Also , any bike mishap is certainly less severe than getting hit by a speeding car.
Trust me, getting hit by a speeding bike is pretty damn severe, especially if it has a full grown adult on it going full speed. Bikers running into kids crossing into the park should be a concern if traffic laws aren't being enforced in the bike lane. -
homeowner wrote: [quote=doldrums] Also , any bike mishap is certainly less severe than getting hit by a speeding car.
Trust me, getting hit by a speeding bike is pretty damn severe, especially if it has a full grown adult on it going full speed. Bikers running into kids crossing into the park should be a concern if traffic laws aren't being enforced in the bike lane.
What are you nuts?!? You would rather go back to having speeding 3,000 pound vehicles zipping all over PPW without a concern for traffic laws being enforced. -
We should all live in individual bunkers!
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F-U-U-U-U-U-UCK Marty Markowitz.
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ringrunner wrote: [quote=homeowner][quote=doldrums] Also , any bike mishap is certainly less severe than getting hit by a speeding car.
Trust me, getting hit by a speeding bike is pretty damn severe, especially if it has a full grown adult on it going full speed. Bikers running into kids crossing into the park should be a concern if traffic laws aren't being enforced in the bike lane.
What are you nuts?!? You would rather go back to having speeding 3,000 pound vehicles zipping all over PPW without a concern for traffic laws being enforced.
I didn't say that. I was responding specifically to the comment that getting hit by a bike is somehow not a big deal. I've been hit by a biker riding down the street in the wrong direction. When I'm in moving traffic I'm conscious of the danger. But I can see parents crossing with their kids letting the kids run ahead to get into the park only to get plastered by a biker running a red light, especially if the kid if coming out from behind the parked cars.
Getting blindsided by a bike is a BIG fucking deal, and anyone who acts like its not should have the pleasure. -
homeowner wrote:
Yes, and I think the main point of the PPW bike lane is to keep bicyclists from plowing into peds on the sidewalk.
Getting blindsided by a bike is a BIG fucking deal, and anyone who acts like its not should have the pleasure.
Marty Markowitz ought to put his pants on and go get a real job. -
ringrunner wrote: and the park is one way and can only be entered at Grand Army Plaza, 3rd St and Bartel Prlchard Sq.
Not taking a stance on the bike lane, just want to note that you can also enter at Garfield Place, 9th Street, and 11th Street. -
snarkslope wrote: [quote=ringrunner]and the park is one way and can only be entered at Grand Army Plaza, 3rd St and Bartel Prlchard Sq.
Not taking a stance on the bike lane, just want to note that you can also enter at Garfield Place, 9th Street, and 11th Street.
Only if you walk you bike, those are pedestrian entrances. -
homeowner wrote: [quote=ringrunner][quote=homeowner][quote=doldrums] Also , any bike mishap is certainly less severe than getting hit by a speeding car.
Trust me, getting hit by a speeding bike is pretty damn severe, especially if it has a full grown adult on it going full speed. Bikers running into kids crossing into the park should be a concern if traffic laws aren't being enforced in the bike lane.
What are you nuts?!? You would rather go back to having speeding 3,000 pound vehicles zipping all over PPW without a concern for traffic laws being enforced.
I didn't say that. I was responding specifically to the comment that getting hit by a bike is somehow not a big deal. I've been hit by a biker riding down the street in the wrong direction. When I'm in moving traffic I'm conscious of the danger. But I can see parents crossing with their kids letting the kids run ahead to get into the park only to get plastered by a biker running a red light, especially if the kid if coming out from behind the parked cars.
Getting blindsided by a bike is a BIG fucking deal, and anyone who acts like its not should have the pleasure.
Ok, but as a parent, I don't wont let my kids run from behind parked cars and as a biker, I will be stopping at those lights (or at least slowing down and looking), -
If racing bikers ever becomes a problem DOT could always add traffic calming raised pedestrian walkways to slow bikers. I doubt that will be necessary.
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I would like a protected, buffered walking lane within the bike lane.
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