Very Very Loud Music from 685 Sterling Place
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Yes, and still going strong after 2am. I'm surprised that the building's owner, who has a baby, is letting them keep it up so late. Maybe they're out of town?
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I am so confused as to attitude and "attitude" -- I am not sure who is right and who is wrong. When I was young...er, I was oblivious to others. Not intentionally in many cases but just in my own hormonal "this world is mine for the taking" type of way. Another part was anti-authoritarian, another part was a lack of empathy. I also thought that because this was "New York" that it was normal to be who you are and wildness and anti-conformity, which includes many people's perception or rudeness was the rule rather than the conception.
I grew up in a small town, had general supervision, etc., so I wasn't as "bad" as many.
Now, getting older, I realize that, like every where else, I live in a community of singles, families, individualists, news makers, news breakers, homeowners, renters, home...less and business owners. We are Stalinists, Communists, patriots, idiots, regular guys, feminists, anarchists, Zionists, pessimists, opportunists, artists, musicians, teachers, stock brokers, down-on-our-luckers, and on and on. I respect you but just don't know what to complain about or keep silent about any more. -
Yeah, Ridonkulous, I'm guessing they must have had an opportune evening to have a party. Because who just has a party on a Sunday night? Ugh. Anyway, I emailed Letitia James about it. She's looking into the police response.
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@nearnostrand - I hear what your saying about the whole disenfranchisement theman's kept us down thing. That's past. Enough of us realize what has happened, but we still wanna play the card. Now and tomorrow, we're all indentured. It's color blind now, we all be in da same bag homie. The freedom to spend out Cash is being restricted day by day. Your nothing but a number now. Your freedom to be free? That's going out the window e'ryday. Chip Chip away.
@em555 Keep quibbling about mundane quality of life issues. Are you calling your senator about whats going on in the Gulf? Afghanastan? Iraq? Did you call about the Patriot Act? NAFTA? ACTA? or any of the REAL quality of life issues?
We are kept too caught up and stressed out to care about what the kucf is going on outside the comfort of our four walls floor and ceiling to care about what is going on outside of them. Just keep the damn music out so we can be in peace.
Go read the articles about police corruption in the village voice that plagues this city. Have you noticed the state of the economy? Then rationalize, do you think Po Po gives a hoot about you and some loud music?
I wish you luck on your journey.
Remember what they say, music calms the savage beast.
I'll still smile when you see me
With that, I'm not beating this horse anymore. -
so mantic, on the one hand, you're telling me to call my representatives about big national issues, and on the other you're saying it's not worth complaining to my local reps about the police, because they are hopelessly corrupt. which is it? take action or don't?
obviously doing something about "mundane quality of life" issues isn't mutually exclusive from speaking out on the national and global problems. being engaged locally often translates to being engaged nationally and internationally.
a lot of things seem mundane in this world. blow out preventers, tariffs, military equipment. it's all pretty mundane stuff unless something goes wrong with it. -
em555 wrote: so mantic, on the one hand, you're telling me to call my representatives about big national issues, and on the other you're saying it's not worth complaining to my local reps about the police, because they are hopelessly corrupt. which is it? take action or don't?
What I am saying is if we payed attention to the larger things in life, the smaller things would become inconsequential as we would all have a common interest. We would not bickering amongst each other as we are doing here.
obviously doing something about "mundane quality of life" issues isn't mutually exclusive from speaking out on the national and global problems. being engaged locally often translates to being engaged nationally and internationally.
None of those things are mundane. What brought us to the point to which we needed such things?
a lot of things seem mundane in this world. blow out preventers, tariffs, military equipment. it's all pretty mundane stuff unless something goes wrong with it.
I'm not telling you not to, I'm just telling you what it is, as I know it. By all means exercise your rights. Get a history of reports going. However, a cop once told me after three times going to a site, and they don't hear anything they wont go anymore.
Go read the Police Tapes series, and get back to me on how you feel about what I've said then.
http://www.villagevoice.com/search/index?keywords=police+tapes&x=22&y=19 -
em555 wrote:
I would think peace of mind and the ability to get a good night's sleep would be much higher on someone's list than the Patriot Act. Which would you fight for first, the right to privacy or the right to a good night's sleep? And in any case, the two things are totally unrelated.
What I am saying is if we payed attention to the larger things in life, the smaller things would become inconsequential as we would all have a common interest. We would not bickering amongst each other as we are doing here.
There are zoning ordinances and laws that keep construction workers from using jackhammers on your block at 2 in the morning. Why? Because people deserve the right to peace and quiet. Regardless of what other issues are out there or how low of a priority noise complaints are for CH's cops, complaints about endless house parties with PA systems are legitimate. -
For everyone who had to get up at 6:30am Monday morning to go to work, it wasn't mundane to get 3 hours of sleep.
Have a party, have a party in your back yard with music. But don't bring in professional equipment with a DJ and sound board and play at top volume outside until 3:30. And if you're the owner of the building, who happens to also be planning kid's day a month from now, it seems hypocritical to not let the neighborhood kids get decent sleep on a school night.
An excerpt from Garret Keizer's new book on noise (follow the link for the full story):
"To say that noise is a relatively weak issue because it is less momentous than world hunger or global climate change is to make an incomplete statement. Noise is a weak issue also because most of those it affects are perceived, and very often dismissed, as weak. The ones who dismiss them, in addition to being powerful, are often the ones making the noise. . . . "
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/22/books/excerpt-the-unwanted-sound-of-everything-we-want.html -
I am not writing Obfuscated code here. The mundane was referencing the examples quoted in the text.
Kindergarden dropouts, the lot of you.
Off with your heads. -
I gotta vote with the kinder-kind here. Blasting music on a worknight seems a bit inappropriate. I walked by the hair salon at 1 am and I was taken aback at the volume. And, there were only a handful of people there. Maybe someone should consider speaking to the proprietor, and the property owner, and letting them both know know of the penal code violations that are probably in violation. It's not hard to find them; go to www.nyc.gov and use their search engine. Also, if that doesn't work, contact the better business bureau. I for one have been jarred out of sleep by a group of ragamuffin types who live in an adjoining building at 4 in the morning blasting alternatively, dancehall, Youtube clips of what seems to be Crips rhetoric, and their own responses in porn chatrooms. I am all for a 'this is Brooklyn' ethos, but still, there is a level of inconsideration that whether deliberate or unconscious exemplifies a certain degree of disrespect we have for our neighbors. I wish there was some sort of sonic device that could shoot sound like a laser beam to my neigbors who cause me to wake up at ungodly hours. It would be the equivalent of a nuclear deterrent; Is there an app for that?
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I did enjoy it when they started playing Bryan Adams covers, which seemed out of character
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Were they reggae-fied versions of Bryan Adam songs? Jamaican music culture does that a great deal. You should hear the reggae version of Tracey Chapman's 'You Got A Fas Car'; genius.
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I wish! I remember them being pretty standard covers (Everything I Do...) but then again I might've been losing my mind.
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Ridonkulous wrote: I wish! I remember them being pretty standard covers (Everything I Do...) but then again I might've been losing my mind.
LOL!! Lack of sleep does alter lucidity and perception...
Mantic, it's much easier to fight the good fight after a good night of sleep. Can we agree on that?
The hated Mayor Rudy had a couple of things right. One of them being a crackdown on quality of life crimes. It's hard to be fully productive when the simple seems of your life are constantly being pulled at. -
Adopt a corner of your block, a corner of your district, a corner of your county, a corner of your state a corner of your region, a corner of your country, a corner of the world. It could be rocks or guitars or rivers or schools or genital mutilation. Shout it from the rooftops. And if this isn't your bag...try to listen and maybe spread the awareness.
Go for it! Noise, no noise.
Teach your children:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/27/fashion/27StudiedEmpathy.html
http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/06/07/empathy-in-the-mailbag/ -
em555, did you ever hear anything from Tish James? Did she have any advice on how to handle this if it happens again?
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Agreed nearnostrand. I think the reason folks appreciate where they live is because of the 'quality of life' that they can afford. I don't think that we need to pay top dollar for peace and quiet. Peace and quiet and respect for your fellow man, woman, boy and girl, is what ought to separate us from the lower animals. When respect is lost, then we live like the rats that scurry about. I am near exhaustion dealing with the constant indignity of swirling garbage, garbage-filled mouths and overflowing garbage that abuts where I live. I wish that there was a Giuliani-like Leviathan that would roam the streets and put the fear of economic reprisal into all the wrongdoers.
In a conversation with a white-shirted police officer whose surname is O'Keefe a few weeks ago. I pleaded with him to do something about Crazy Steve. I pointed out the damage to the trees that C.S. hath wrought. This guy looks at me and huffed that he wasn't gonna arrest a guy for breaking a few branches while there are murderers and rapists and drug dealers about. But I guarantee you, the last thing rapists, murderers and drug dealers are concerned about are what must be as subtle as nuance to them: the quality of life crimes. After all, don't we see the breaches of social protocol that common criminals engage in constantly? I don't know about you, but the weed sellers in my neck of the woods are constantly urinating in dark corners, littering habitually, and all in all making life miserable for those who are not. If the cops focused on quality of life crimes, I bet you they would halt a number of the more egregious offenses, such as late night noise on a weeknight. If building inspectors made rounds to business they could effectively police business code violations that so many of these grungy bodegas flout every day. I've read commentary hear from those who argue that police officers have bigger fish to fry, but quality of life crimes are small fish that fry so easily, and so quickly, I don't understand why cops don't do it more often. I see cops standing in front of bug-filled plexi-glassed bodegas and I ask myself, you mean to tell me you can't call in potential health code violations? You can give the man a citation for the garbage spewing in front of his door? Even if the charge doesn't stick, you can't just do that to make attempt to police the behavior? I'm on the outside looking in -- obviously -- and it's easy to critique what one has little understanding of the mechanisms of.... But still.... -
nearnostrand wrote: [quote=Ridonkulous]I wish! I remember them being pretty standard covers (Everything I Do...) but then again I might've been losing my mind.
LOL!! Lack of sleep does alter lucidity and perception...
Mantic, it's much easier to fight the good fight after a good night of sleep. Can we agree on that?
The hated Mayor Rudy had a couple of things right. One of them being a crackdown on quality of life crimes. It's hard to be fully productive when the simple seems of your life are constantly being pulled at.
Yes, we can. Mess with my sleep, I'm knocking on your door. -
Ridonkulos-Haven't heard back from Letitia James. I just emailed her again, and told her other people are having the same issues.
I actually paid a visit to the owner the night they were blasting music to ask him to turn it down. This was around 10 p.m. He was telling me I was the first one to complain (who knows if that was true) and then tried to invite me to their Sunday night party. He finally promised he would turn it down, but he clearly did not. I think whenever they make noise, we should call 311, call the local precinct, and call/email Letitia James.
I have also talked to a cop who was utterly indifferent about noise. Maybe they have bigger fish to fry, but I wonder... After all, there are police who stand on Franklin Ave. near Sterling or St. John's. Why shouldn't they try to stop noise violators who are mere steps from where they're policing? -
How does one get a neighborhood designated a 'quiet zone'? I recall in my days in another neighborhood seeing placarded all over red and white rectangular signs indicating that 'this street is designated as a quiet zone (I think that's the term) and any infringement on that regulation will be met with a big dollar fine' ($350).
Maybe if that route is followed, Franklin Avenue could be designated as such. I know some folk who live on Franklin, and they often say that on Friday evenings it's as if the circus is rolling into town... -
update on Letitia James: says she hasn't heard from the precinct yet and is asking them again.
Haven't heard about Quiet Zones, but it would be welcome on Franklin Ave. Friday nights are indeed circus-y, esp. outside that club on Franklin b/w Lincoln & St. John's
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