Racist People Aren't Very Smart
Subject: Racist People Aren't Very Smart
Today, on St Marks between Washington and Underhill, a guy stood in his doorway, atop a short stoop. As I passed by, he spit. I wasn't sure if he was just spitting, or if he had intended to spit in my general direction. A few paces after I had passed, he muttered, "Chinese faggot fucker... fuckin' faggot...""Who are you talking to?" I asked, turning without stopping - he wasn't too physically intimidating, but people that go out of their way to start trouble usually make sure that they have the odds stacked in their favor.
"Chinese faggot. Go fuck your mother." he replied.
I considered pointing out that fucking one's mother wasn't a "faggot" thing to do, and that it would more likely get you tagged as being Way Too Incestial, but I figured that that would be lost on him. Instead, I laughed and informed him that I wasn't Chinese (just in case he wanted to use a more fitting racial/ethnic slur), and told him "you have a nice day, too!"
He wasn't there when I returned about a half hour later, CSA shares in hand, but for the sake of posterity, I did note the address - 340 St Marks, a smallish apartment building (across the street from Armchair's building - sorry bud). The man in question is a black male, late 20s/early 30s. I would guess that he goes somewhere around 5'10", 190lbs, but it's hard to say as he was standing on a higher plane.
a) How sad and stupid is it that someone would do/say stuff like this?
b) How fucking stupid of someone to do this on (I assume) their own doorstep? Retribution is pretty easy to come by if you know where they live.
Anyway, Chinese faggot fuckers, you've been warned.
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That's frankly so stupid I can only assume the guy is nuts. Sorry you had to listen to his crap, however briefly.
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sorry it happen to you bro, i think i might know which one you be talking about. i get that alot. hance i'm a social darwinist and a libertarian.
every neighborhood i move into. there is generally someone who doesnt like me. and i'm thinking to myself. one day i'll buy your building and kick your ass out of the area. -
Sweet, Armchair, I'm impressed by the vengeance in your tone. :twisted:
I also am highly impressed by the not so subtle posting of the guy's description and address. Don't worry, WhyFi, I'll be sure to piss on the guy's stoop the next time I'm in the area. :twisted: -
I say we get all Chinese Fuckin' Faggot on him...sucks you had to deal with that...
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Subject: Re: Racist People Aren't Very Smart
WhyFi wrote: Racist People Aren't Very Smart
Shame about this incident. But I think you're overgeneralizing. Unfortunately history is full of racists who were quite smart, through to the present day. They're the ones I really worry about; they can change your whole life, not just your morning. -
Subject: Re: Racist People Aren't Very Smart
doctorj wrote: [quote=WhyFi]Racist People Aren't Very Smart
Shame about this incident. But I think you're overgeneralizing. Unfortunately history is full of racists who were quite smart, through to the present day. They're the ones I really worry about; they can change your whole life, not just your morning.
Good point, that. -
Leaving aside the question of the mental stability of the person - I advocate for not using the term "racist" - Using it out of it's historical context diminishes it's power to convey meaning in a country where intitutionalized racism is practiced on a daily basis.
Racism can more narrowly refer to a system of oppression, such as institutional racism that is based on ideas that one race is superior to other races. Organizations and institutions that practice racism discriminate against and marginalize a class of people who share a common racial designation. The term "racism" is usually applied to the dominant group in a society, because it is that group which has the means to oppress others.
In clearer terms the "dominant" group in this country are white people and the oppressed groups are people of color. Hence the "racist group by defintion is the white, dominate group.
Your maligner, if mentally stable, is guilty of discriminatory abuse, but not racism. -
Livetotravel wrote: Leaving aside the question of the mental stability of the person - I advocate for not using the term "racist" - Using it out of it's historical context diminishes it's power to convey meaning in a country where intitutionalized racism is practiced on a daily basis.
Can you clarify for me - what you are saying is that only a dominant group can be racist? And so since the dominant group in this country is white only white people can be called racist?
Racism can more narrowly refer to a system of oppression, such as institutional racism that is based on ideas that one race is superior to other races. Organizations and institutions that practice racism discriminate against and marginalize a class of people who share a common racial designation. The term "racism" is usually applied to the dominant group in a society, because it is that group which has the means to oppress others.
In clearer terms the "dominant" group in this country are white people and the oppressed groups are people of color. Hence the "racist group by defintion is the white, dominate group.
Your maligner, if mentally stable, is guilty of discriminatory abuse, but not racism. -
Livetotravel wrote: Leaving aside the question of the mental stability of the person - I advocate for not using the term "racist" - Using it out of it's historical context diminishes it's power to convey meaning in a country where intitutionalized racism is practiced on a daily basis.
As the wikipedia entry you copied from states, what you are referring to is a more narrow definition of racism that is attributed to institutions. This does not mean that there is no such thing as indivudual racism or racial prejudice, i.e. prejudging someone based on their race.
Racism can more narrowly refer to a system of oppression, such as institutional racism that is based on ideas that one race is superior to other races. Organizations and institutions that practice racism discriminate against and marginalize a class of people who share a common racial designation. The term "racism" is usually applied to the dominant group in a society, because it is that group which has the means to oppress others.
In clearer terms the "dominant" group in this country are white people and the oppressed groups are people of color. Hence the "racist group by defintion is the white, dominate group.
Your maligner, if mentally stable, is guilty of discriminatory abuse, but not racism.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism -
I predict a lengthy and vibrant thread.
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Ben wrote: As the wikipedia entry you copied from states
Oh no, Drano, I think Ben already won! -
It seems that we're going to need to define terms to have any sort of productive debate here, otherwise we'll just be communicating at cross- purposes.
Of course, debates about terms can often be as long as the eventual "core" debate itself, and not without reason.
I think I'm going to sit this one out. But I think we can all agree that stoop guy is a jerkweed. -
sorry for failing to quote wiki - doesn't change the argument however.
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Livetotravel wrote: In clearer terms the "dominant" group in this country are white people and the oppressed groups are people of color. Hence the "racist group by defintion is the white, dominate group.
What if he's a part of the most prolific ethnic group within a given neighborhood or within a given radius? What if I belong to an ethnic group (Filipino-Irish UNITE!!!) that has fewer and less influential members than his? Those don't count as racism, eh? Since the Filipino-Irish community has only 4 members at my last count, it's good to know that I can walk down the street slinging racial slurs at any and all of my neighbors without the risk of being labeled a racist. "No no, sir - I'm a discriminatory abuser."
Your maligner, if mentally stable, is guilty of discriminatory abuse, but not racism. -
Sounds more sick ("schizoid-depressive a--hole") than racist to me.
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Can you clarify what you said please?
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Subject: Re: Racist People Aren't Very Smart
WhyFi wrote: ...I considered pointing out that fucking one's mother wasn't a "faggot" thing to do, and that it would more likely get you tagged as being Way Too Incestial...
Way to keep a level head and a good attitude about it. People can be such doushe bags. Nice to see you can laugh at such stupidity.
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Livetotravel wrote: Leaving aside the question of the mental stability of the person - I advocate for not using the term "racist" - Using it out of it's historical context diminishes it's power to convey meaning in a country where intitutionalized racism is practiced on a daily basis.
No offense, you might be the nicest person, but I hate that arguement. I put up with it in Graduate school (sociology) and did not buy it then, nor now. I do not believe racism is limited to a dominant group, we've just made it that way through our Ivory Tower definition.
Racism can more narrowly refer to a system of oppression, such as institutional racism that is based on ideas that one race is superior to other races. Organizations and institutions that practice racism discriminate against and marginalize a class of people who share a common racial designation. The term "racism" is usually applied to the dominant group in a society, because it is that group which has the means to oppress others.
In clearer terms the "dominant" group in this country are white people and the oppressed groups are people of color. Hence the "racist group by defintion is the white, dominate group.
Your maligner, if mentally stable, is guilty of discriminatory abuse, but not racism.
Racism has to do with race. The man was making a comment about WhyFi's race. Bottom line.
You say potato, I say the guy's a racist. -
I am a nice person - and thoughtful disagreement and debate is what makes the world and this forum go 'round. Thinking what I think how could I possibly think otherwise.
Just between you and me, I still think that guy was looney-tunes. -
Subject: uuum / stop thinking so much you'll hurt yourself
Typical overthought commentary. Dude is definitely a racist! Don't elevate his status to maligner.Livetotravel wrote: Leaving aside the question of the mental stability of the person - I advocate for not using the term "racist" - Using it out of it's historical context diminishes it's power to convey meaning in a country where intitutionalized racism is practiced on a daily basis.
Racism can more narrowly refer to a system of oppression, such as institutional racism that is based on ideas that one race is superior to other races. Organizations and institutions that practice racism discriminate against and marginalize a class of people who share a common racial designation. The term "racism" is usually applied to the dominant group in a society, because it is that group which has the means to oppress others.
In clearer terms the "dominant" group in this country are white people and the oppressed groups are people of color. Hence the "racist group by defintion is the white, dominate group.
Your maligner, if mentally stable, is guilty of discriminatory abuse, but not racism. -
Subject: Re: Racist People Aren't Very Smart
doctorj wrote:
Speak of the devil: Congressman J. Gresham Barrett (R - SC) just spammed me again with his regular monthly hate mail. How on earth did I get on his anti-immigration list, how do I get off when his ISP (house.gov) doesn't respond, and what can we do about a Congress that makes a law that only politicians are allowed to spam people with hate mail? I'd rather be called a White Faggot Fucker (WFF) by a local.
Shame about this incident. But I think you're overgeneralizing. Unfortunately history is full of racists who were quite smart, through to the present day. They're the ones I really worry about; they can change your whole life, not just your morning. -
kosherdave wrote: [quote=Livetotravel]Leaving aside the question of the mental stability of the person - I advocate for not using the term "racist" - Using it out of it's historical context diminishes it's power to convey meaning in a country where intitutionalized racism is practiced on a daily basis.
No offense, you might be the nicest person, but I hate that arguement. I put up with it in Graduate school (sociology) and did not buy it then, nor now. I do not believe racism is limited to a dominant group, we've just made it that way through our Ivory Tower definition.
Racism can more narrowly refer to a system of oppression, such as institutional racism that is based on ideas that one race is superior to other races. Organizations and institutions that practice racism discriminate against and marginalize a class of people who share a common racial designation. The term "racism" is usually applied to the dominant group in a society, because it is that group which has the means to oppress others.
In clearer terms the "dominant" group in this country are white people and the oppressed groups are people of color. Hence the "racist group by defintion is the white, dominate group.
Your maligner, if mentally stable, is guilty of discriminatory abuse, but not racism.
Racism has to do with race. The man was making a comment about WhyFi's race. Bottom line.
You say potato, I say the guy's a racist.
ditto. Racism is equal opportunity. No matter what race you are, you can practice it. -
Isn't this just a semantic argument? Whether you call it "racism" or "discriminatory abuse", I think we all equally condemn the act. So who cares? What that guy did and said was fucked up, and I think we should condemn all forms of "discriminatory abuse", prejudice, exclusionism, etc., because all of that crap leads to negative, spiraling reverberations well beyond any isolated incident, and leads to absolutely nothing positive.
You can refuse to call it racism if it floats your boat, but just don't do it. -
Livetotravel wrote: Leaving aside the question of the mental stability of the person - I advocate for not using the term "racist" - Using it out of it's historical context diminishes it's power to convey meaning in a country where intitutionalized racism is practiced on a daily basis.
people who defend racist and racism make me sick. i been beaten spit at and basically a old fashion beat downs.
Racism can more narrowly refer to a system of oppression, such as institutional racism that is based on ideas that one race is superior to other races. Organizations and institutions that practice racism discriminate against and marginalize a class of people who share a common racial designation. The term "racism" is usually applied to the dominant group in a society, because it is that group which has the means to oppress others.
In clearer terms the "dominant" group in this country are white people and the oppressed groups are people of color. Hence the "racist group by defintion is the white, dominate group.
Your maligner, if mentally stable, is guilty of discriminatory abuse, but not racism.
yet people like you go oh only certain group of persons can be racist. the biggest racist i meet during my life time are working class people.
usually blacks, hispanics, and Italians. thats the groups i gotten beaten and spit at because of my race. everytime i walk through their neighborhood. i havent gotten a beat down since the early 90's but still get name calling.
the second group i been a victim of racism is liberals. alot of liberals would hate to be label racist but they are. they only think its racist if it happen to blacks or hispanics. other forms of it like economic and educational racism is okay cause it only affect asians or whites. -
The feeling is entirely mutual - and while you are on your armchair warrior rant why don't you regale us with your knowledge of eugenics.
Your issues are best addressed my licensed professionals.
[Edited by EmilyM because it looks like you're either blowing me off or not checking your PMs, and we don't need this kind of thing around here.] -
Livetotravel wrote: Meanwhile fuck off and die.
thanks for teaching us about abuse, ltt. -
Livetotravel wrote: The feeling is entirely mutual - and while you are on your armchair warrior rant why don't you regale us with your knowledge of eugenics.
is that a personal attack i see??? if its is, i think its not allow. now you show your true colors. i guess you dont fall far from the people you defend.
Your issues are best addressed my licensed professionals.
Meanwhile fuck off and die. -
I've heard of the Hitler/Nazi law, wherein the person to invoke him/them is declared the loser of the debate and the discussion is closed, but is there a "fuck off and die" law?
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WhyFi wrote: I've heard of the Hitler/Nazi law, wherein the person to invoke him/them is declared the loser of the debate and the discussion is closed, but is there a "fuck off and die" law?
we could make this a law on this board :P. hehe -
WhyFi wrote: I've heard of the Hitler/Nazi law, wherein the person to invoke him/them is declared the loser of the debate and the discussion is closed, but is there a "fuck off and die" law?
Well, eugenics WAS mentioned. Or were mentioned. Or is it was?
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