Summons for riding bike on sidewalk, thoughts?
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Yes, this was covered I believe on page 1
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Capt. Planet wrote: [quote=King without a crown]That makes no sense, thats part of the Officers testimony is that he asked if you were making an emergency call. You're saying that you were on the phone with a 911 operator when you were stopped? You didnt show the Officer the outgoing 911 call in your call log?
Yep, I showed him my phone log with 911 on it. He'd told me to speak to the judge.
He sounds like a Dick! -
I don't think every person riding a bike on the sidewalk deserves a summons, but selective enforcement often leads to other problems.
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MHA wrote: And what if the scenario involved a child learning how to ride a bicycle, and he/she was taking their first shaking steps on a sidewalk? I see kids riding bicycles on the sidewalk all the time, and only if they are doing so recklessly do I think that it's a cause for consternation.
Children aged 12 and under can ride on the sidewalk as long as they have tires smaller than 26 inches.MHA wrote: I am confident that it's illegal to ride bicycles, skateboards and scooters on the sidewalk, but instead of police officers enforcing the letter of the law, why not instead just help to create an environment where reasonableness reigns?
This is an issue with a lot of police officers. It is possible for them to use their observations and common sense to reasonably enforce the law while benefiting the community they serve, but this would also gives them the freedom to enforce with their prejudices (racist, economical or otherwise) in anyway they see fit. Keeping to the letter of the law by handing out tickets or summons regardless of the situational circumstances keeps the officer relatively safe from claims of prejudice and the offender can always debate the point later in court.
I do not agree that this is the way it should be, but it does make sense for the officers not to open themselves up to that vulnerability. -
Mamacita, I saw no menition of that on the thread, but even if it is there, what does a police officer do when he sees a child who (for the sake of argument) is under fourteen zig zagging through people on a sidewalk? I assume that the officer has to use reasonableness to alert the kid of the nature of how he rides his bicycle. In that case, does he give the kid a ticket, or does he give the kid a warning?
And how about jay walking? Is it reasonableness that determines what laws we enforce, or should they all be enforced regardless of the reasonableness that went into the laws being breached in the first place? -
Kids riding a bike on the sidewalk 12 or under are exempt from the Law therefore no enforcement action would be taken.Over 12 less than 16 = Juvenile Report. 16 an over = Summons. Jay walking is an old Law on the books and is rarely enforced. Biking on the sidewalk can cause serious injuries to bicylists and pedestrians and in rare instances even death. Most people support the issuing summonses to bicyclists who ride on the sidewalk.
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What of the kid under 12 who rides his bicycle at breakneck speed? Or the person over 12 who does not ride at breakneck speed? Why should the adult who rides carefully on the sidewalk be issued a summons but the child who rides his hazardously on the sidewalk not receive a similar ticket? What prevents a police officer from issuing a summons for jaywalking? Isn't it reasonableness? Isn't death caused by crossing the street unlawfully as well?
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Culpable Mental State, thats why children who commit Crimes aren't charged as adults. Jaywalking summonses are issued, usaully more so in the City though. Why do kids and elderly get discounted tickets at movies? Why they didn't make the CL6 with a clutch?
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CL6? - The other stuff I get.
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Jadakiss Son!
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I have absolutely no idea who Jadakiss's son is.
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Oh.
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Boygabriel wrote:
Stay out of the friggin bike lanes with your goddamn cars and pedestrians.
[quote=daveinbedstuy]And stay off the friggin sidewalk with the goddam bike.
Agreed! To both statements! Getting all the cyclists (delivery guys and kids, mostly) who ride the wrong way down the bike lanes to stop would also be amazing. I'm not holding my breath waiting, but one can still dream. -
Law enforcement or reaching quotas? Stats show NYPD focusing on pot possession, boozing in public
BY Rocco Parascandola
DAILY NEWS POLICE BUREAU CHIEF
Friday, July 23rd 2010, 4:00 AM
GettyThere were 46,491 cases in NYC last year in which fifth-degree marijuana possession was the top arrest charge. Take our PollCity busts gone to pot
Do you believe the NYPD focuses too much attention on stopping minor crimes?
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NYPD brass says stop-and-frisk records aren't dead: just use paper, not computersEditorial: NYPD stop-frisk database law not worth paper it's printed onNo more stop-and-frisk database, but NYPD cops say good police work will overcome the lossPot possession and boozing in public are the top reasons New Yorkers get arrested or ticketed by the cops, new statistics show.
And although marijuana arrests has been the top category for three years running, the number of busts spiked 15% between 2008 and 2009, the Daily News has learned.
The NYPD says the data - including more than 21,000 summonses for riding bicycles on the sidewalk - reflects its emphasis on quality-of-life violations to prevent more serious crime.
"It's often about complaints being generated by the public and us responding to them," said Deputy Commissioner Paul Browne. "Other times, it's just us enforcing violations when we see them."
Critics say the high numbers for weed, beer and other offenses like riding bikes on sidewalks smacks of quotas - or harassment in black and Hispanic neighborhoods.
"We've interviewed many young people arrested for marijuana possession and found that these arrests are overwhelmingly a by-product of people being stopped and frisked," said Harry Levine, a Queens College sociologist.
"Plainclothes officers will pull up, say 'Get your hands against the wall,' then go through the person's pockets and, if they find some pot, make an arrest."
Last year, there were 46,491 cases in which fifth-degree marijuana possession was the top arrest charge, according to the Division of Criminal Justice Services. That's up from 40,387 in 2008.
The top spot for those arrests was the 73rd Precinct, which had 3,036 last year. It covers Brownsville, the epicenter of the NYPD's stop-and-frisk strategy.
"The police are taking this too far," said Brownsville resident Natalie Robinson, 29. "Everyone knows that poor blacks and Latinos are going to be affected by the police in the worst way."
While marijuana topped the arrest list, violating the open-container law was the No. 1 summons last year - 132,225 were issued, almost a fourth of all NYPD tickets.
That was followed by disorderly conduct, motor vehicle violations and riding bikes on the sidewalk, according to figures from the Office of Court Administration.
There were 21,136 tickets in the bike-riding category, comparable to the number of arrests for theft of service, which includes fare-beating.
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Last night i saw an early 20s male with a bike surrounded by five cops on Union and Nostrand. All I overheard was "I know I shouldn't ride on the sidewalk and I won't ride on it anymore, can't you just give me a break?"
Curious as to the conclusion of that transaction. -
Bentley wrote: Last night i saw an early 20s male with a bike surrounded by five cops on Union and Nostrand. All I overheard was "I know I shouldn't ride on the sidewalk and I won't ride on it anymore, can't you just give me a break?"
I'm gonna guess it concluded with..."You must appear in court on or before the 21st day of September to answer this summons."
Curious as to the conclusion of that transaction. -
good thing there were 5 cops handling it.
i always see large groups of cops together. i want to yell "SPREAD OUT" like at a youth soccer game. -
Also, residents complaining about bikers riding on the sidewalk occurs more often in community meetings than complaints about jaywalkers.
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