How safe is this area at night?
Hi, I'm young female Asian student, might move to St. Johns Pl at Rogers Ave. I was wondering how safe is this area at night? I'll be coming home from school late at night - will be walking home from #2 train stop at Franklin Ave and Eastern Pkway ALONE PAST 10 PM. Of course I'm going to walk up the neighborhood before I move there but I wanna know what others think. Please give me your thoughts and be honest with me. Thanks in advance!
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This location is in Crown Heights, not Prospect Heights.
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I agree with Ishtar. And you're as safe as you will be in New York City. Not sure what you're comparing to (where you're coming from, etc.)
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As a asian guy i get pork fried lice alot. so best bet is to walk around anywhere you are renting.
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Mod note: Moved this topic to the appropriate board.
My suggestion, if you would rather walk around a more populated area late at night is to get on the 3 train at Franklin, take it one stop to Nostrand and then walk down Nostrand to St. Johns and over one block to Rogers. Nostrand has a number of stores (greengrocers, bodega, etc) that are open very late and there are more people on that block than are on EP after 10pm. -
Thanks, homeowner. A type of answer I was looking for. I'll keep that in mind.
To the rest: Obviously I didn't know that the place was in Crown Heights. The ad listing was under Prospect Heights. I'm coming from NJ and I've only stayed on campus dorms in Manhattan so I'm not that familiar with Brooklyn. I've read mixed opinions and some posts being about drug dealers and racial tension going on in the area but they were dated, which is why posting a question here. I was simply asking for your insights on the area - what other information do I have to provide? -
Ishtar wrote: This location is in Crown Heights, not Prospect Heights.
And who said it was in Prospect Heights? -
catsmeow wrote: Obviously I didn't know that the place was in Crown Heights. The ad listing was under Prospect Heights.
Most folks would have assumed this. Brokers (or the person listing) lie and given that the broker (or the person listing) lied about the location of the apartment, be thorough about looking into the building and it's management. A terrible living situation is far worse than walking through the "hood" at night. -
Capt. Planet wrote: [quote=Ishtar]This location is in Crown Heights, not Prospect Heights.
And who said it was in Prospect Heights?homeowner wrote: Mod note: Moved this topic to the appropriate board.
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Capt. Planet wrote: [quote=Ishtar]This location is in Crown Heights, not Prospect Heights.
And who said it was in Prospect Heights?
The real estate "professional". :oops: :^o
...we are just cleaning up their lie.
(not their is anything wrong with Crown Heights, of course). -
Obviously these endless discussions of where Prospect Heights ends and Crown Heights begins won't go away. The real problem in my opinion is that this Board makes no distinction betweeen "real" Crown Heights as in west of Albany Avenue and "pseudo" Crown Heights as in between Washington and Albany. As the new 77th Pct Commander noted, CB 8 is shaped like Tennessee, that is, very wide. Given that most Brooklynites orient themselves towards Manhattan, the distances from Manhattan vary greatly in Crown Heights, given its width, more so than in Prospect Heights or Bed-Stuy which are more compact in shape.
Given that Crown Heights justifiably bad reputation is earned by criminal acitivity that takes place mostly east of Utica Avenue, it seems unfair to cover the entire n'hood with the paint created by those acting only in it's extreme eastern edge. -
Capt. Planet wrote: Obviously these endless discussions of where Prospect Heights ends and Crown Heights begins won't go away. The real problem in my opinion is that this Board makes no distinction betweeen "real" Crown Heights as in west of Albany Avenue and "pseudo" Crown Heights as in between Washington and Albany. As the new 77th Pct Commander noted, CB 8 is shaped like Tennessee, that is, very wide. Given that most Brooklynites orient themselves towards Manhattan, the distances from Manhattan vary greatly in Crown Heights, given its width, more so than in Prospect Heights or Bed-Stuy which are more compact in shape.
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Given that Crown Heights justifiably bad reputation is earned by criminal acitivity that takes place mostly east of Utica Avenue, it seems unfair to cover the entire n'hood with the paint created by those acting only in it's extreme eastern edge.
Are you really stating that the real estate professional was not misleading the OP by stating that Rogers Avenue was in Prospect Heights?
.....or are you simply stating that such a lie was justified given that Crown Heights is too "wide"?
When a person in my field lies, I usually try to distance myself from them ....not justify their actions. ...but to each his/her own.
OP - You are considering moving to Western Crown Heights. It is nice. Welcome. -
I'd also suggest we are wandering a bit off-topic. Can we stick to opinions about safety and travel in Crown Heights, specifically the area around St John's and Rogers?
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Nostrand ave isn't really that safe imo, even though its busy, there have been shootings on it over the past few years. There is a notorious drug trade that goes on there, I would look for a real estate agent and find a nice apt. in park slope or ft. greene. you may spend a few hundred more a month, but you won't be constantly worried about security.
Plus it can be noisy in the summer, major bummer.
I know this isn't what you want to do, but just search 'shooting' on this website and see the streets involved. -
You'll be fine. There's an Asian girl from my church who just signed a lease for an apartment on Rogers and Sterling.
Get to know your neighbors, stay alert when walking at night and be aware of your surroundings. I'd get off the train @ Nostrand and walk on EP (which is very brightly lit at night) and walk down Rogers to St. Johns. -
Indep mind-
She isn't looking as far East as Nostrand Avenue. I'd argue that the triangle formed by Bedford, Rogers and Eastern Parkway is actually a pretty quiet area.
OP, I'm a self described "pretty wimpy" white guy. On Sat and Sun, I walk my equally wimpy 40 lb mutt around that area pretty regularly and have never had any problems.
...you should check out the area at night before you sign a lease though. You have to get your own feel for an area. Asking strangers about a place is only worth so much.... asking a real estate agent is often worth even less. -
whynot_31 wrote: OP, I'm a self described "pretty wimpy" white guy.
I can vouch for him, in this regard. :twisted: -
Capt. Planet wrote: "pseudo" Crown Heights as in between Washington and Albany
Now hear this...
Anything between Albany and Washington Aves is not really Crown Heights.
Carry on. -
WhyFi wrote: [quote=whynot_31]OP, I'm a self described "pretty wimpy" white guy.
I can vouch for him, in this regard. :twisted:
In return, I will state that I find WhyFi to be reliable. Surely the two of us outrank two real estate people stating that Prospect Heights goes as far as Rogers. -
Capt. Planet wrote: "pseudo" Crown Heights as in between Washington and Albany
There's nothing "pseudo" about Crown Heights west of Albany. Are you honestly suggesting that Kingston and New York are in any way not Crown Heights? I mean, I can see you trying to get over on people who don't know better with Classon or Franklin, but this is just real estate agent fantasyland.
There's nothing wrong with Crown Heights. You're normally a Crown Heights booster, yet in your professional capacity you try to distance as many properties as you can from the name. -
Wait - Rogers? I thought that that was still in Park Slope?
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Two things.
First its often residents of such areas as Bedford and Sterling who say they live in Prospect Heights, because it sounds more prestigious and, yes, safer, so it's more likely someone might actually visit them.
Second, to say that Rochester Avenue and Bedford Avenue are the same community is llike saying that Germany and France are the same country because they share a common border.
When one reads a newspaper headline, as one often does, stating "Shooting/murder/assault/mugging in Crown Heights" and then check the address and it's on Rochester Avenue, those of us living near Nostrand might be justifiably miffed.
So what I'm suggesting is that, in the interest of clarity, and reasonableness, and to help those poor lonely residents of Bedford and Sterling to never get any visitors. we develop a name for western Crown Heights that doesn't lump it in with the criminal ridden nabes to the east beyond Albany or Utica Avenue.
And yes, I am a real estate broker. So please tell me how that facts changes the logic of my arguments. -
Capt. Planet wrote: Two things.
Wow, so your opinions are based not in your vested interest as a broker, but out of altruism for the poor inhabitants of that part of Crown Heights suffering with what you apparently see as the stigma of the "Crown Heights" label. I guess people can make their own decisions about which is more likely.
First its often residents of such areas as Bedford and Sterling who say they live in Prospect Heights, because it sounds more prestigious and, yes, safer, so it's more likely someone might actually visit them.
Second, to say that Rochester Avenue and Bedford Avenue are the same community is llike saying that Germany and France are the same country because they share a common border.
When one reads a newspaper headline, as one often does, stating "Shooting/murder/assault/mugging in Crown Heights" and then check the address and it's on Rochester Avenue, those of us living near Nostrand might be justifiably miffed.
So what I'm suggesting is that, in the interest of clarity, and reasonableness, and to help those poor lonely residents of Bedford and Sterling to never get any visitors. we develop a name for western Crown Heights that doesn't lump it in with the criminal ridden nabes to the east beyond Albany or Utica Avenue.
And yes, I am a real estate broker. So please tell me how that facts changes the logic of my arguments.
None of the things you have stated make that part of Crown Heights part of Prospect Heights. Usually real estate brokers are so creative at inventing names for parts of neighborhoods that they want to distance from the rest of the neighborhood. Go ahead and make something else up. But don't claim that area is part of a neighborhood that it isn't (Prospect Heights) when you're selling or renting properties. That's just lying to people. -
Carni, it's your refusal to call the area east of Prospect Heights anything other than "Crown Heights" that's forcing folks to adopt the Prospect Heights moniker. In short, let's change the name of the area between Washington and Albany to something else. Crown Heights is just too loaded.
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Tony Fisher, where are you...
(didn't he come up with the term "Franklin Heights?") -
Let's table this issue for the subcommittee to discuss offline... :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
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In reply to the OP, I don't know about that area specifically, but I'd suggest being careful while walking anywhere by yourself past 10 pm on isolated blocks. By "being careful," I mean not listening to an ipod, not talking on your cell, not wearing flip flops or other shoes that slow you down, and being aware of other people on the street and moving away if you feel a threat. I strongly suggest to all women that they take a self-defense class which will teach you these kinds of skills, as well as how to behave if (despite your best efforts) you are attacked. I took one of these myself years ago, and have only had to use the aggressive tactics I learned once, but I use the defensive tactics from that class every single day.
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Subject: Is it safe?
contact the police precinct and get some crime statistics- or check with nyc. gov and compare neighborhoods. You can read community board notes to see what the issues are in the area. Do some homework , research. -
Captain, so you work in real estate? Perfect!
Please could you tell your colleagues that it is impossible for a 1-bedroom apartment to be king sized? I don’t think that anything less than 20 bedrooms is suitable for a king. Maybe just fire off a simple memo to all employees?
Thank you. -
sandcastler wrote: Captain, so you work in real estate? Perfect!
tsk, tsk. He is not responsible for the actions of all of those in his field, and certainly does not control his co-workers.
Please could you tell your colleagues that it is impossible for a 1-bedroom apartment to be king sized? I don’t think that anything less than 20 bedrooms is suitable for a king. Maybe just fire off a simple memo to all employees?
Thank you.
He is responsible for only his OWN actions, and those that he publicly states are understandable and justified.
(that seems to be plenty).
I think most people agree that, at this point, western crown heights is distinct from eastern crown heights. Let's make it easy on those looking for apartments and places to buy, and those trying to make money of people renting and buying, and join with Capt Planet to create two neighborhoods:
Western Crown Heights
Eastern Crown Heights
....Capt Planet seems to be ok with Utica Ave being the border. Eastern Crown Heights is much smaller than Western Crown Heights in this version, but this border (and the ensuing arguments) will provide something for residents to debate.
'It should be Nostrand Ave"
"no, I should be Albany Ave"
"no, it should be Utica Ave"
Prospect Heights will continue to begin at either Washington Ave (or -as some prefer- the Franklin Ave Shuttle tracks). The latter allows Prospect High School to be in Prospect Heights..... -
Capt. Planet wrote: Carni, it's your refusal to call the area east of Prospect Heights anything other than "Crown Heights" that's forcing folks to adopt the Prospect Heights moniker. In short, let's change the name of the area between Washington and Albany to something else. Crown Heights is just too loaded.
:roll:
Yeah, it's because of me that Corcoran tries to sell Crown Heights properties as Prospect Heights...
How about a little honesty?
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