Department of Health continues the debate
So today the postings of As, Bs, and Cs went up for the Department of Health. While I really don't care all that much, I figured I would just see how places I go to a lot did. You can go into the Department of Health website and click on a borough and then a neighborhood and they show you all of the places in that neighborhood in a ranked list.
I clicked on "Brooklyn". Then I clicked on "Crown Heights".... and very few places I go to showed up. Hmmm...did every place I love close?
So I tried again, this time choosing "Prospect Heights". Aha! There was Chavellas, Lily and Fig, Pulp & Bean, etc..
In looking at the listings, nothing west of Nostrand makes the Crown Heights cut off. The Washington to Bedford/Rogers section of Crown Heights is apparently Prospect Heights according to the DoH.
I clicked on "Brooklyn". Then I clicked on "Crown Heights".... and very few places I go to showed up. Hmmm...did every place I love close?
So I tried again, this time choosing "Prospect Heights". Aha! There was Chavellas, Lily and Fig, Pulp & Bean, etc..
In looking at the listings, nothing west of Nostrand makes the Crown Heights cut off. The Washington to Bedford/Rogers section of Crown Heights is apparently Prospect Heights according to the DoH.
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For those playing along...
NYC DoH Restaurant Inspection Information site:
http://www.nyc.gov/html/doh/html/rii/
Advanced Search:
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Their neighborhood groupings also put restaurants immediately south of Eastern Parkway in Prospect Lefferts Garden. (wtf?)
Wonder what other neighborhood groupings on this site will reveal.
Something tells me that this gov't agency really didn't put the effort in to get the neighborhoods right.
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Do zip codes have anything to do with it?
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jeffrey wrote: Their neighborhood groupings also put restaurants immediately south of Eastern Parkway in Prospect Lefferts Garden. (wtf?)
More than likely this is based off of Google. For some reason, Google considers everything south of Eastern Parkway to be PLG. Some of the business owner I know over there have reached out to Google to try and fix this but no luck yet evidently.
Wonder what other neighborhood groupings on this site will reveal.
Something tells me that this gov't agency really didn't put the effort in to get the neighborhoods right.
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there's a review for Hot Bird up there!??!??!
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Great bar.
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The health department are the biggest crooks around and afaik, the restaurant owners along 5th ave have all joined together and hired someone to speak on their behalf because of all the harassment and mishandling of inspections, not to mention fines.
example:
One person comes in and see's one problem and tells you to fix it.
You fix it
A differet person comes in about a month later, sees you fixed it, but then adds some other minor thing (could be a missing tile from a wall - for real). So now they put 2 strikes against you, one for failing to repair something that wasnt even mentioned the first time.
Then the 3rd time comes along and the same thing happens, then they shut you down unless you pay up. -
If the Health Dept is doing it that inefficient way that's messed up, but also messed up is the multitude of restaurants who knowingly have health violations and only fix them when uncovered by inspections.
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yeah, its true about how bad some restaurants can be, but you don't even know the half of it.
That one example of missing tile is true. Unfortunately I cant give any more examples off the top of my head (the tile thing just stuck out), but I have heard some crazy stories. I think they give a point per tile and it works similar to other things.
The city refuses to do anything via computer or use an actual database. It's ALL paperwork. And when they decide to shut you down, they do it on a Friday AND the city closes it's doors at 3 or 4 pm on weekdays and doesnt operate on weekends.
Essentially killing a business for 3 days (or 4 days if you cant even get an appointment for the following monday) It can even extend to 5 or 6 days if the inspector doesnt show. Thts A LOT of money for a small place along with fines.
It really is extortion.
Oh, here is the other thing. They NEVER give a book of all of the things you need to check for when you ask. And when you ask one inspector for a write up and show it to the new inspector, the new inspector says it doesnt apply.
Like i said before, it's gotten so bad that a lot of owners have banded together. Its either pay for "fines" or pay someone to fight the fines or health dept. -
If anyone bothered to read the (written) news reports, they would know that
1. Not all restaurants were graded immediately on the first day
2. All inspections & reports are recorded on hand-held devices that are encrypted so that if one is lost/stolen, the perp can't read what is on it
3. It will take until winter for the system to be completely active.
As for Board of Health inspectors being "the biggest crooks around, " I suggest you widen your horizons, Hitokiri. -
I agree that I doubt they are the biggest crooks around, but rather people working for a back-logged government agency. As one who works for a NYC department with a husband who works for a different department I can tell you the DoH doesn't sound too weird.
You complain that they do these things on Fridays to shut places down for 3-4 days for "Extortion". Not sure what money they get by restaurants not having customers.... Did you expect the inspectors to come in on their weekends because they felt so bad about a small restaurant?
Yes, some people's job affect other people more than another job might - but that doesn't mean they shouldn't get their weekends, work their actual hours, etc. because you don't like the consequences. I would love if the post office was open past 5pm, but I don't expect them to open for me and claim they are extorting money from me because i didn't get my mail sent out.....
I would be shocked that all reports are recorded on Hand-held devices only because I've never been in a NYC department where everyone knew how to check EMAIL let alone do something like that. I have to complete a file folder on each kid in my classroom and it follows them from K through 12th grade with teachers checking boxes, writing "NSN" (no symptoms noted) on their health forms year after year, adding papers to the file for years and years. Records of the kid on the computer only tell the phone numbers, addresses, and other basic info -- not their actual important information. I know ACS keeps all files on paper and then hires summer interns to re-type them into an unused data base... -
if people think it's not fair, I hope they ignore these letter grades as much as they ignore the equally (or more so) unfair school letter grades posted at every public school. The city claims they are helping people make good choices, but ugh....trying to hold down rant...
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The Islands on Washington was mentioned in the article I linked.
As she states, she runs a clean place
....even if that place got C's, I think I would ignore them. It would have to be bulldozed to the ground before I stopped going. So yummy.
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