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What's next for Franklin Avenue? - Page 2 — Brooklynian

What's next for Franklin Avenue?

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  • MHA wrote: I am happy to see that there is a new juice spot between St. John's and Lincoln. I went in there a few times, and I was happy with what I got. I don't know if they have wireless. If so, it's ideal!
    Yes, I went in there for the first time yesterday and the juice is great and the people are very friendly. I recommend the Body Cleanser (beets, carrots, ginger, apples).
  • Carnivore wrote: [quote=MHA]God, a used bookstore would be so sweet on Franklin Ave, but I really don't think the bills could be paid with that alone, not in this realty market, and in this era; but it would be great, wouldn't it? I can only imagine that possible if someone who owns property had the love of books, and did it for the sake of it, and not for any other reason.
    I still don't know how the used book shop on Vanderbilt is still open. I love the idea of it, but I honestly never go there and rarely see people inside.


    Unnameable Books (on Vanderbilt) is a great little book store, with a good mix of used and new books, particularly from uncommon publishers. Not sure of their financial situation, but I always see several people in there, the staff is friendly, and they're open late (I think until 11pm most nights?).

    I'd really hate to see it close anytime soon, and I try to support it and the other independent places like Greenlight (on Fulton in Ft. Greene) instead of B&N. It'd be great if Franklin could also support a small book store, but unfortunately opening one would likely be a labor of love rather than a smart investment.
  • It's my sense that there is a sense of 'commercial desperation' on Franklin Avenue. For instance, one of the newer establishments right at the corner of Sterling and Franklin is yet another hair salon. Anyone familiar with this area knows that there are already so many hair salons. I am wholly ignorant of the business, but couldn't the proprietor make a deal with a salon already in existence? Isn't the monotony of businesses on Franklin a sign of building owners shirking responsibility?

    But me saying this is also my biase. After all, one could make the same argument about Breukelen and Pulp and Bean, and Lilly and Fig, as well as Bristen's and Dutch Boy.

    However, if I owned property and I was approached by a prospective commercial tenant, and they told me that they were going to open up another hair salon, I would have some skepticism about the possibility of success --given the presence of so many other already exisitng salons. If I see this, why doesn't the property owner see this as well?

    And think of how many bodegas there are on Franklin -- all within just 4 blocks of the train station! What are there, FIVE of them? And it's not like the rules of laissez faire capitalism are working here. The prices for any of the goods and services don't vary much. If anything, they are all the same.
  • In this environment, I believe many business owners are taking a "wait and see" approach. Franklin Ave is changing, but they aren't ready to open up shop (our invest in their current shop) yet.

    ...the converse of "laissez faire capitalism" is something I call "laissez faire cartel-ism".

    In the former, all stores lower their prices and increase services in order to gain and maintain customers. When they can't stay in business anymore, they stop both techniques and "hold". [everyone was told in college this is what the US strives to be? Ah, the endless quest for the perfect market]

    In the latter, all stores raise their prices and treat people rudely until people stop going to them. When they are about to go out of business b/c they don't have enough customers, they stop both techniques and "hold". [everyone was told this is something that only occurs in broken markets. i.e. places other than the U.S.]

    Both factors seem to be competing for dominance over Franklin Ave. Which will win?

    Note for local evidence of market failure, please visit a C-Town supermarket located within a large NYCHA project. Complete monopoly is established as a result of the customer's inability to shop anywhere else. Fruit is no where to be found....

    Franklin Avenue has improved greatly, together with the surrounding area.
  • whynot_31 wrote: Which leads me to wonder: Which present avenue in NYC should it resemble?
    Some quick examples (all in bklyn):
    Fulton?
    Myrtle?
    Church?
    Utica?
    Smith?

    Remember, not too long ago vanderbilt was MUCH different. There were closed stores where there are now botiques. A fish market preceeded Joyce Bake Shop etc
    The one thing that all of those streets have in common is that some form of retail commerce even when the neighborhoods that surrounded them remained depressed. Each of them has current businesses that have managed to survive and even thrive over time. Some of them have developed greatly in the past ten years (Smith, Myrtle) and others are still trying to develop a particular identity (Utica, Church, Fulton), but I think that Franklin would be doing fine from the perspective of the business owners if it could have the foot traffic and consistent revenue generation of any of the streets listed above.
  • The renovation of the hospital complex (among other developments) has brought some additional disposable income into the 'hood.

    ...your "foot traffic" comment though has me thinking. I suspect that some of Franklin's potential for capturing $ from that market is lost by some of the "new people" avoiding the avenue due to ongoing crime, trash, and idle men.

    Which is a Catch 22: If they stopped avoiding the avenue, it might end up better.

    (kinda like a large group of people who complain that their local schools suck, and send their kids to private schools. If they all could simultaneously convince each to send their kids to the public schools, the schools would improve.... a lot of tuition would be saved.)
  • I would be thrilled to have a Housing Works thrift store, Goodwill store or other type of used clothing/books/housewares/furniture shop that takes donations.

    Anybody?
  • Also, I've been in the neighborhood going on 3 years and still buy aspirin, shampoo, sunscreen, etc. at Duane Reade near my office in midtown. (Better than shopping one of Franklin's craptastic 99-cent stores.)

    I've heard rumbling about a possible Walgreen's going up at Franklin & Eastern Pkwy, but any full-scale drugstore would be most welcome!
  • AP wrote: I would be thrilled to have a Housing Works thrift store, Goodwill store or other type of used clothing/books/housewares/furniture shop that takes donations.

    Anybody?
    I don't think they can afford the local rents.

    There used to be a Salvation Army on Flatbush and approximately 6th Ave, but it has closed as a result of Atlantic Yards. I didn't really like their politics, but it was close by, so they'd often get stuff I felt guilty throwing away. I think the closest "we will take your old stuff and put in a large pile store" is on Atlantic ....almost as you get to Trader Joe's.

    Housing Works is awesome. Good politics. Organized store. etc.
    But I don't know how they scored their current space. I've gotta imagine they are not paying market rents.

    P.S. Thiftway Drugs has locations on Classon and Washington that are better than the $0.99 stores. ....I also look forward to Walgreens though
  • Wood Oven Pizza Coming Soon- so says the two store fronts next to the new juice place on Franklin.
  • The used bookstore on Vanderbilt is a relatively recent addition, so I have to assume they were prepared to pay the rent they're currently being asked for. I also am assuming that because they're so new there they don't own the building (they were formerly located on Bergen btwn Flatbush and 5th).

    While it would be fun to have a bookstore like that closer to Franklin, I just don't see that being a viable business. A lot of the local retail stores that I'd like to have along Franklin are also those that I'll reluctantly admit I wouldn't actually spend much money in. It would be quaint and lovely to have a butcher, a fishmonger, etc, but I don't think I'd shop there enough to justify "asking" one to open up. I have a reasonable disposable income; I'm just being realistic about where I spend my money. The reality is that for many of us, we'd like to see old-fashioned mom and pops opening up, but unless they're particularly savvy and able to cater to 2010 demands (stay open late to accommodate households where each adult works, etc), they're simply unlikely to be able to compete with the other options we've got in the city.

    There's a Goodwill on Fulton near Franklin, but it would be nice to have something like that closer down towards Eastern Parkway.
  • whynot_31 wrote: [quote=AP]I would be thrilled to have a Housing Works thrift store, Goodwill store or other type of used clothing/books/housewares/furniture shop that takes donations.

    Anybody?
    I think the closest "we will take your old stuff and put in a large pile store" is on Atlantic ....almost as you get to Trader Joe's.


    There's a goodwill store on Fulton b/t Franklin and Classon. It's got ok stuff sometimes.
  • xlizellx wrote:

    I also would like a book store - used and new - in the area. .
    http://www.hawthornestreet.com/2010/09/new-bookstore-opening-on-rogers-this-weekend.html

    It is listed as Crown Heights and PLG. Either way, I hope it's successful -- and hope that if it is, someone will open one up near me too! :-)
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