West Indian Day parties
A longtime neighborhood resident informed me to expect some loud and lengthy parties this weekend tied to the West Indian Day Parade, including one in the empty backyard next to the fire station on St. John's between Washington and Classon where there was an incredibly loud 4th of July party with full soundsystem until 3 in the morning. She told me these gatherings always have police permits, but I'm wondering how they can be allowed to go on that late and that loud? Does anybody know if it's possible to check in advance with the local precinct to find out if a permit has been issued and how late into the night it is valid for?
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Some of those parties are part of Junkanoo which is a part of the parade festivities. Junkanoo is traditionally a Caribbean festival which takes place in the early morning hours. The NYC version is where you can go to hear all of the bands perform prior to the actual parade. WICADA has a website where you can find out what all of the official parade festivities are.
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Believe me, it matters not whether or not they have a permit. It will be loud, and it will last a long time. Get ear plugs.
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It is best to go with the flow. ....enjoy the weekend, and stock up on groceries now if you are type who does not like big events. It's a giant buffet of noise, food and people
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Seriously. Just enjoy the weekend. It will be a non-stop party from deep into Crown Heights to Grand Army Plaza. Any other course of action would be shoveling sand against the tide.
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There are no permits issued for these type of events, the band camps that are located throughout the 77,67,71 Precints are allowed to practice til 10pm.
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The only way to avoid the noise and parties is to just leave the nabe for the whole weekend.
If you can't beat 'em..... -
Subject: uummm yyeaaa
................just make do
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You'd be better off leaving for the weekend if you can
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youbetcha wrote: You'd be better off leaving for the weekend if you can
If you're determined to not enjoy the parade this might be true. Personally, I think people would be best off to enjoy one of the neighborhood's great annual cultural events. But I guess it's not for everyone. -
this would be like leaving new orleans to avoid mardi gras. sacrilegious.
2010 roadmarch and soca monarch winner:
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For the record, this is a West African Day parade.
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^ No, it isn't. What are you talking about?
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Stella wrote: ^ No, it isn't. What are you talking about?
Maybe these things?
1) People who are primarily descendants of slaves brought to the "Americas" from West Africa (quite clear through cultural similarities)
2) A region named West Indies because some Europeans thought they were actually in India, finally figured out they weren't, and just opted to continue calling the Caribbean the "West Indies". -
Thank you Ishtar....
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MHA wrote: For the record, this is a West African Day parade.
Pehaps in a deeper sense, but that's not what it's called.
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I guess you'd have to ask parade members whether they felt a stronger affinity for their historic homeland of Africa or their more recent place of departure (aka "Island").
For example, I feel far more of an affinity for Brooklyn than Ireland, because my relatives haven't been from Ireland in over 150 years.
Many folks at the Parade may not be able to trace their heritage back to Africa within a similar time span. -
The point is that this parade name is a grand misnomer. The music, the food, the dances, and of course the people, are primarily all derived from West Africa -- the official site notwithstanding.
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We are all derived from somewhere.
It is all about how far back one wishes to go.
We could go back to Cavemen if we wanted, but most of us adopt what is most meaningful to us......
<<< Please call me a Brooklynite.
I guess if an individual marcher wanted me to call them West African, I would, out of respect for their wishes.
....but the organizers clearly want me this to be known as the West Indian Day Parade, so I defer to them. -
MHA wrote: The point is that this parade name is a grand misnomer. The music, the food, the dances, and of course the people, are primarily all derived from West Africa -- the official site notwithstanding.
Only if we cheerfully engage in ignorance and exclusion of the extensive European and especially Asian influences over the region. For instance, descendants of indentured laborers from south Asia form the main ethnic group in Trinidad.
But MHA sees everything through African-colored glasses, which should surprise no one of course. I wonder what sort of world he'd cook up for us whitefolk if we were in the minority? -
eastbloc wrote: sees everything through African-colored glasses
::facepalm:: -
Mougar wrote: [quote=eastbloc]sees everything through African-colored glasses
::facepalm::
When I look through glasses that dark, I can't see anything and assume there is nothing to see. Then I trip, and people laugh at me, and tell me to take off my glasses.
BTW, this year's West Indian Day Parade had amazing weather, and I thought the police did a pretty good job of crowd control.
Sparkly bikinis have a way of putting almost everyone in a good mood. -
eastbloc wrote: Only if we cheerfully engage in ignorance and exclusion of the extensive European and especially Asian influences over the region. For instance, descendants of indentured laborers from south Asia form the main ethnic group in Trinidad.
:roll: especially @ the bolded.
But MHA sees everything through African-colored glasses, which should surprise no one of course. I wonder what sort of world he'd cook up for us whitefolk if we were in the minority? -
i have no other basis for this, but this trinidadian scholar mentions west indians looking down upon Africans: http://musiqology.com/2009/11/12/congo-man-calypso-and-controversy/. he uses the mighty sparrow song CONGO MAN as a case study. sparrow uses the song to sarcastically praise the congo man, who is a cannibal.
maybe he's making this up. or maybe this was just the case at the turn of the century, and now there is greater pan-african identity.
the south asian influence, as already stated, cannot be denied. particularly in soca music. check out this classic from indo-trinidadian calypsonian The Mighty Dougla: http://bikewobble.tumblr.com/post/488495941/mighty-dougla-split-me-in-two-if-they -
also, the whole parade wouldn't exist if not for the french masquerade tradition.
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I guess you guys are all right. It has absolutely nothing to do with African people.
I said absolutely nothing to indicate that East Indian or even European elements were not present. I did say that the parade is PRIMARILY one of West African antecedents, notwithstanding Sparrow's purported song about Congo Man, or the involvement of Indian descendant people. Having gone toTrinidad, I take issue with the notion that the country is predominantly Indian -- though anecodote is definitely not universal fact.
And speaking of anecdote, standing on any corner of Eastern Parkway this past Monday,and partaking in the J'ouvert celebration, I saw the amalgam of what is called by many the West Indies (which happens to reside in the Caribbean Sea), and most of it was West African descendant people jumping up on the parkway. And though many would like to believe that the countries in the Caribbean were culutred primarily by non-African sources, 2 million people who make their way to the parkway every year would disagree with you.
Eric Williams of Trinidad would with disagree with you, Maurice Bishop would disagree with you, Marcus Garvey would disagree with you, Walter Rodney would disagree with you. My father would disagree with you. -
MHA wrote: I guess you guys are all right. It has absolutely nothing to do with African people.
However, the organizers of said parade would apparently disagree with you.
I said absolutely nothing to indicate that East Indian or even European elements were not present. I did say that the parade is PRIMARILY one of West African antecedents, notwithstanding Sparrow's purported song about Congo Man, or the involvement of Indian descendant people. Having gone toTrinidad, I take issue with the notion that the country is predominantly Indian -- though anecodote is definitely not universal fact.
And speaking of anecdote, standing on any corner of Eastern Parkway this past Monday,and partaking in the J'ouvert celebration, I saw the amalgam of what is called by many the West Indies (which happens to reside in the Caribbean Sea), and most of it was West African descendant people jumping up on the parkway. And though many would like to believe that the countries in the Caribbean were culutred primarily by non-African sources, 2 million people who make their way to the parkway every year would disagree with you.
Eric Williams of Trinidad would with disagree with you, Maurice Bishop would disagree with you, Marcus Garvey would disagree with you, Walter Rodney would disagree with you. My father would disagree with you. -
Yeah, I guess you're right. Those weren't Black people -- the descendants of West Africans -- I saw dancing at J'ouvert or on Eastern Parkway; I mean, we've already said that the Europeans who came to that region of the world were incorrect in using the term West Indies to describe it, right?
I mean, in my original post, I said, that it ought to be callled the West African Day Parade because most of the folk are -- you guessed it -- West African descendants. If it was called for instance, The Irish American Day Parade, and most of the people in the parade were Black people, the descendants of West Africans brought to the 'New World', then I would still have posted and said, for the record, --- the RECORD - this was a West African parade. Again, the music, the food, the type of dancing, can all be traced back to West Africa. All aspects of the parade mirrors West African culture in form AND fashion. Again -- West African descendant people -- about 2 million of them... I think I can go to sleep comforted in the thought that the record reflects that there was -- despite the name -- a West African parade....
I don't know about going back to the 'caveman' as stated by Whynot; for West Africans, that's DEFINITELY the wrong ancestors -- for the most part; and the wrong hemisphere...
I never said anything about what the parade is called, but rather what the parade
IS: It's a day for people who are primarily descended from West Africans to parade. Ergo, West African Day Parade. To heck with what it's called; what IS it? -
I was at J'Ouvert and at the parade, and what I saw was people descended from places all over the world enjoying a festival that has roots in the cultural amalgam that comprises the West Indies.
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Oh I've had such a nice time at the Salon today. I wonder what we'll be discussing next week at the Hôtel de Franklin!
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Welcome to di Hotel de Franklin!
Such a lovely place, such a lovely place.....
Agreed Carnivore. The West African drumming and percussion, the West African dancing, the West African descendant people, the West African descendant Haitians speaking Kreyol -- a fusion of African languages and French; yeah. Lovely amalgam.
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