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Where is the Enlighten west the so called democracies — Brooklynian

Where is the Enlighten west the so called democracies

no a whimper of protest in the west against moving roma and deporting them all over Europe. I hear more Tibetan protesters or Darfur guys than this.
When white people do it must be the right thing to do.


MILAN — Some 20 years ago, Marco Deragna, a Roma whose family has been in Italy for generations, moved to a field on the outskirts of metropolitan Milan and made his home there.

Officials in Italy call the camps for thousands of Roma, or Gypsies, dangerous, and they have moved to shut them down.

Today, his prefab house on wheels — painted bright yellow with dark green shutters — is part of a sizable nucleus of mostly well-kept dwellings that house about 120 Roma, along with their horses, dogs, chickens, turkeys and even peacocks. But the camp’s days are numbered.

The Milan government plans to shut several of the city’s 12 authorized camps. The settlement where Mr. Deragna lives is set to become a transitory encampment for evicted Roma, with a maximum stay of three years.

Mr. Deragna says that he and the other families who have lived there for nearly two decades were not given many viable alternatives after being told they would have to leave. “These homes are the fruit of years of work here, and now the city wants to send us away without offering a solution,” Mr. Deragna said. “We have nothing. Where will we go?”

The treatment of the Roma, also known as Gypsies, became a major issue this summer in France, where the government of President Nicolas Sarkozy has expelled hundreds of people. But the conflict has prompted a similar, if more subdued, debate in Italy. Some critics even say Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi’s government has led the way on this issue in the European Union.


http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/04/world/europe/04roma.html?ref=world

Comments

  • 1) the Roma are treated awfully in Europe and have been for centuries. You are very right that it's a blind spot in the West's sense of self/"morality"

    2) to compare the 20th/21st century experience of the Roma to what was perpetrated in Darfur is a joke.
  • when people hear of the holocaust they rarely mention the Roma.
  • armchair_warrior wrote: when people hear of the holocaust they rarely mention the Roma.
    *citation needed
  • Carnivore wrote: [quote=armchair_warrior]when people hear of the holocaust they rarely mention the Roma.
    *citation needed

    did you not go to brooklyn public schools like i did, my schools rarely mention only if passingly other groups during the holocaust. I always had to point it out to the teachers about the other groups that die there too. they were kinda upset that i mention other groups.

    I mention the gypies how many millions of them die there too. they were like you can't compare the two groups, its a special thing etc.....

    I had crappy history teachers lol in public schools.

    here is a fine example of what i'm talking about.


    Assemblyman Dov Hikind, whose mother survived the death camp at Auschwitz, said yesterday that only Jews persecuted during the Nazi reign should be honored at a Holocaust memorial in Brooklyn.

    Hikind said even though 5 million people from other groups -- including gays, the disabled and Jehovah's Witnesses -- were killed along with 6 million Jewish people during the Holocaust, the memorial in Sheepshead Bay should be for Jews only.

    "To include these other groups diminishes their memory," said Hikind, as he stood next to his 89-year-old mother, Frieda. He said he is not against a memorial to honor the other groups -- as long as it is somewhere else.

    "These people are not in the same category as Jewish people with regards to the Holocaust," Hikind said following a press conference at the memorial. "It is so vastly different. You cannot compare political prisoners with Jewish victims."


    Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/regional/item_QFExhQhJdXgbQvasljrf9I#ixzz0ybaWKJS9

    those type of beliefs were pretty common among my history teachers in brooklyn public schools.
  • There actually are protests. Look, here's an article front and center on the home page of the Washington Post:

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    And I apologize on behalf of this nation that our public education system sucks. Anyone who denies the fact that around 3-5% of the people who died in the Holocaust were Roma should be fired.

    In the meantime, here's a 1600 word article on the Roma from the website of the United States Holocaust Museum.
  • I had a 'Roma experience' in England 17 years ago. A bunch of Roma kids swarmed me and started begging me very aggressively for money. A sister I was with moved us both out of them equally as aggressively, and as soon as they began their spiel. they ended it. She told me that groups of kids like that mob a person, and unbeknownst to them pick their pockets or otherwise steal from them. She described them, well, as one would a pest. It was quite shocking to see people described that way. Especially as a person of color herself. The irony never escaped me.
  • oh i read about the protest, majority of the people still are in favor of deporting them and alot of those who protested the main stream doesn't like either lol.
  • I guess my point is that the vitriol against them isn't confined to European (i.e. white people); a number of other folks -- other immigrants -- take issue with them as well.
  • So the American public education system didn't give you a good education on the Roma during the holocaust - that's the point of this post?
  • Uh, my post BoyGabriel?
  • why do we post? to get attention for something.
  • my what to your wha?????

    its not exactly the davinci code or sudoku puzzle.
  • i don't understand what you're saying. What does what you have to say have to do with the gypsies of Europe?
  • i brought attention here to their plight to few readers didn't i? people read this thread didn't they? well my job is done.
  • ...Okay.. You and me. Drinks. Seriously.....
  • lol by drinks if you mean juices :p sure. i don't consume alky.
  • Are you a muslim? Alcohol is nothing but fermented juices....
  • You smoke buddha? You can smoke, I can drink.
  • lol i don't smoke or drink or anything. only vice i have is food and video games. my body is my temple ummmmm something like that.

    I like to enjoy life experiences and mundane stuff without clouding it with chemicals that alter that state.

    with all the dead pork i consume over the years, i would be very unclean muslim lol.
  • ...Okay, Halo? I can do Halo....

    I really think you should drink alcohol. Seriously.
  • I don't do fps. only boring rpgs and turn base strategies :p. not into the fast pace things.

    few things i life we have to ourselves is control. with alcohol it dulls our control of our state of mind.
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