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77th Precinct is RUDE and UNREASONABLE -23 year old killed — Brooklynian

77th Precinct is RUDE and UNREASONABLE -23 year old killed

There was a huge accident in front of my place on atlantic ave which a biker was killed. The next day when I came outside, I see a load of latex gloves on the ground and police tape everywhere. It is disgusting! They need didn't even care to take their non sanitary gloves with them and dispose them correctly. I called the precinct and they were so RUDE about it, telling me it is my job to clean it up. Were they kidding? Dealing with the NYPD is a mess.


Mod Note: FYI: this is the thread on the accident
http://www.brooklynian.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=59253

Comments

  • Yes, clearly that is the worst part of this.
  • Have you ever heard about the 81st Precinct? After hearing that story on NPR I couldn't sleep. It could happen to anyone, and it does. Yet I still try to respect all folks in uniform...but I don't understand the code of silence. On the other hand, I have worked in corporate America. Good night.
  • Subject: Re: 77th Precinct is RUDE and UNREASONABLE

    [email protected] wrote: There was a huge accident in front of my place on atlantic ave which a biker was killed. The next day when I came outside, I see a load of latex gloves on the ground and police tape everywhere. It is disgusting! They need didn't even care to take their non sanitary gloves with them and dispose them correctly. I called the precinct and they were so RUDE about it, telling me it is my job to clean it up. Were they kidding? Dealing with the NYPD is a mess.
    An innocent womans life is cut short and your only sentiments is that there were bloody gloves left in the street by emergency responders?
  • Subject: Re: 77th Precinct is RUDE and UNREASONABLE

    King without a crown wrote: An innocent womans life is cut short and your only sentiments is that there were bloody gloves left in the street by emergency responders?
    Just because that was this posters only reply in this thread doesn't mean that was their only sentiment. It's awful this young lady died, but can't people be upset about more than one thing?

    In general, the NYPD and other city agencies responsible need to do a better job of cleaning up crime scenes. That can be discussed in a later thread.
  • You should call the Office of the Chief Medical Examiner, FDNY and FDNY EMS and express your concerns over the bloody gloves with them considering that the vast majority of gloves would have come from them and not the police department. I'm pretty sure that only two members from the PD had contact with the victim and no other officers had any cause to even wear gloves.
  • Trauma scene clean up would be the responsibility of a real property owner.
    The same criteria for writing a sanitation ticket would be used including anything 18" into the street.
    http://home2.nyc.gov/html/doh/downloads/pdf/epi/trauma_scene_guidelines_03-31-08.pdf
    Crime scene clean up is a whole different ball of wax. (involving the police)
    http://www.biotrauma.com/n~19~new-york-initiates-crime-scene-cleanup-legislation.php
    bottom of page
    edited to eliminate the fog of definition
  • Hmmm.

    In this instance, it seems the "property owner" and the person leaving the soiled gloves are the same: Our city government.

    So, one could either:
    1. Do as ParadeRest recommends, and/or
    2. Wait for the Dept of Sanitation to come by with a street sweeper, and/or
    3. Put on some disposable gloves of your own and pick up the ones left behind.

    Personally, I'd pursue #3 then #1.

    #2 strikes me as the least reliable.
  • the way i see it the medical waste should have been handled by either the paramedics from the FD or one of the ambulances. They have special bags for this kind of stuff and are suppoused to clear out the hazardous waste..
  • I'll bet that even experienced paramedics can be thrown off their game when they find a deceased 24 year old on an emergency call. They can be forgiven if in their shock they neglect to clean up properly.
  • BCODSNPKSLOPE wrote: the way i see it the medical waste should have been handled by either the paramedics from the FD or one of the ambulances. They have special bags for this kind of stuff and are suppoused to clear out the hazardous waste..
    It seems we all agree on that, and the accident itself is being discussed in another thread.

    ....As a result, I've decide to reframe the question as "what to do now?"

    Note: Number #4, "express outrage on the internet", had already been achieved by the time I posted, so I did not list it.
  • I just brought a clue and I sense lack of sensitivity in this one.
  • Cleaning up medial waste and a crime scene could potentially be hazardous. I don't blame the OP for being upset. I have no experience in taking proper safety precautions to protect myself from possible infections. Once you clean it up, do you put it into the regular trash, or is it a biohazard?

    A former colleague of mine had the unfortunate experience of someone committing suicide in an apartment building she managed. After the investigation was over, Boston Police put her in contact with a company that specialized in crime scene cleanup. I remember that the company had the somewhat macabre name of Aftermath. Just curious, ParadeRest, does the NYPD, NYFD and/or ME have similar contacts?
  • Such company's are listed in the phone book under Housekeepers/Maids ...look for one that does "crime scene clean -up".

    One can also google "Crime Scene Cleanup" and "11238".
    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=crime+scene+clean+up+11238&btnG=Search&aq=f&aqi=g1&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=

    If it was a smaller job, such as the one listed, I would imagine that a local doctor or dentist may be willing to accept the trash. Yes, you are correct: If you don't know the precautions to take, or don't have the basic equipment (gloves, medical grade soap), or don't feel comfortable doing it, you should have someone do the work for you.
  • whynot_31 wrote: Such company's are listed in the phone book under Housekeepers/Maids ...look for one that does "crime scene clean -up".

    One can also google "Crime Scene Cleanup" and "11238".
    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=crime+scene+clean+up+11238&btnG=Search&aq=f&aqi=g1&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=

    If it was a smaller job, such as the one listed, I would imagine that a local doctor or dentist may be willing to accept the trash. Yes, you are correct: If you don't know the precautions to take, or don't have the basic equipment (gloves, medical grade soap), or don't feel comfortable doing it, you should have someone do the work the work for you.
    recently while my husband was out of town i watched Sunshine Cleaning. It was about girls who cleaned up after crime scenes.
  • Yes, I've seen the movie.

    ...and used to work with families that have needed such services.
    (not at this agency, but related)
    http://www.safehorizon.org/index/get-help-8/for-families-of-homicide-victims-39.html

    A particularly grueling part of the ordeal is the financial expense involved in cleaning up after the violent event (suicide, murder, attempted murder).

    Renters and homeowners insurance will often cover such expenses, but very few people know this ....because no one ever expects to be in the situation of needing such coverage. Needless to say, not everyone has this insurance either.

    Anyway, such services are not cheap and (even if one has insurance) the costs are incurred immediately after the event, when folks are exhausted and grieving.

    ...as pointed out above, if it happens on your property, it is basically your responsibility to clean up the mess. The city takes the body, any evidence they need, and hopefully their used gloves.

    ...sorry to be morose, but cleaning everything else is up to the person who owns/rents the apartment, bar, store, or where ever the incident took place.
  • As of 2006 the City takes responsibility.
    Declaration of Legislative Findings and Intent. The task of cleaning the city's gruesome and contaminated crime scenes often falls on citizens who are traumatized by the events that produced such scenes. Not only are these citizens emotionally and often times physically unprepared to deal with this job, they also lack the appropriate knowledge and/or supplies to safely discard hazardous materials found on site or the ability to effectively decontaminate the premises. It is apparent that serious health and safety issues arise when citizens, and not city agencies and/or private crime scene clean up companies, perform this undertaking. Professionals who specialize in hazardous waste cleanup should bear this responsibility, so as to ensure the safe restoration of crime scenes, and to relieve property owners of the psychological and physical burden associated with the obligation.

    �14-152. Crime Scene Clean Up
    a. Definitions. For the purposes of this section, the term ";crime scene"; means
    a) a) the site at which an illegal act took place, and
    b) b) a site which contains any of the following types of evidence:
    (i) (i) impressions such as fingerprints, tool marks, footwear, fabric impressions, tire marks and bite marks;
    (ii) forensic biology including either blood, semen, body fluids, hair, nail scrapings or blood stain patterns;
    (iii) trace evidence including ]gun shot residues], arson accelerant, paint, glass and fibers; or
    (iv) firearms, including weapons, gun powder patterns, casings, projectiles, fragments, pellets, wadding or cartridges.
    b. Public Property. If a crime scene occurs on or within any portion of publicly owned property, the city shall clean the affected area. Such cleaning shall involve any or all of the following procedures:
    (i) (i) the immediate containment of the affected area(s), involving either biohazard tape when indoors, or the usage of tarps when outdoors;
    (ii) (ii) the application of hospital-grade germicides to the affected area(s) throughout the cleanup;
    (iii) (iii) the initial removal of all materials that cannot be cleaned, including, but not limited to, clothing, shoes, eyeglasses, mattresses, carpeting, and flooring;
    (iv) (iv) the detailed cleaning of the affected area(s), by means of a variety of tools and appliances, to be used only once before being discarded;
    (v) (v) the application of anti-microbial agents, sprayed on the affected area(s); and
    (vi) (vi) a final wipe-down of the premises.
    c. Private Property. If a crime scene occurs on or within any portion of privately owned property, the police department shall:
    (i) provide the owner of such property a list of all known companies specializing in the cleanup of bio-hazardous materials so as to enable the owner to employ such services; or
    (ii) (ii) Clean the property, as described in subdivision b, in the event that the owner can not afford to pay for such services, or chooses not to seek out such services.
    �3. This local law shall take effect immediately.
    This is for a crime scene and not a trauma scene which the accident on Atlantic was.
  • So wait.... A woman died in that accident... You don't think that the paramedics that left the rubber gloves had bigger things to worry about...? Hint: They were trying to safe her life. Get your head out of your ass. Jesus.
  • redcons2 wrote: So wait.... A woman died in that accident... You don't think that the paramedics that left the rubber gloves had bigger things to worry about...? Hint: They were trying to safe her life. Get your head out of your ass. Jesus.
    :roll:
  • This is why I love this place, a woman gets killed and is not even burried in the Earth yet and people have found some trivial thing to bitch about on here. I must be the strange one, but this does sound a wee bit insensitive, even for this board. Can we go back to complaining about to lattes and and crappy food for now?
  • Modsquad -
    Thanks for the info. I am pleased report that my knowledge is outdated. I completely support the city now paying someone to clean up crime scenes with my tax dollars. It was overdue.

    KWAC-
    Back to Atlantic Ave., and typical board conversations:
    The 7-11 on Atlantic does sell yummy slurpies, I rode my bike there this summer. I am glad I was not hit by a bus in an attempt to miss a car door.

    (KWAC, chime in on how good the slurpies are. We will be discussing them in no time)
  • BKChickie wrote: A former colleague of mine had the unfortunate experience of someone committing suicide in an apartment building she managed. After the investigation was over, Boston Police put her in contact with a company that specialized in crime scene cleanup. I remember that the company had the somewhat macabre name of Aftermath. Just curious, ParadeRest, does the NYPD, NYFD and/or ME have similar contacts?
    I know the NYPD isn't allowed to recommend particular businesses for services (ex/ Johns Locksmith) instead just say "Ma'am you need a locksmith." Due to the fact everyone in this city seems to be lazy and would love an other reason to attempt to get 100,000,000.00 for free. The "new" American way.
  • Having worked with FDNY, NYPD and forensic engineer Tim Lynch (the vampire) for the City as soon as you start giving your name out you are inundated with calls from emergency clean up or closure companies. I have no doubt there must be a standing offer to all firemen, police and any other emergency personal for a kick back for leads.
  • More than forty pedestrians and cyclists have been injured or killed at this spot in the last decade.

    Please sign the petition to have safety measures installed at the intersection of Washington and Atlantic Ave. Even if you don't use this intersection we could use your support.

    http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/washingtonatlantic/

    Thanks for your time.
  • bitmaster wrote: More than forty pedestrians and cyclists have been injured or killed at this spot in the last decade.

    Please sign the petition to have safety measures installed at the intersection of Washington and Atlantic Ave. Even if you don't use this intersection we could use your support.

    http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/washingtonatlantic/

    Thanks for your time.
    The accident didn't happen at the intersection. It was mid-block (closer to Wash than Vandy but not at the corner). All involved parties were traveling in the same direction. I don't see what could be done at Wash/Atlantic that would have prevented this accident.
  • nonetheless, that intersection is pretty bad.
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