anyone elses dishwasher doesn't wash clean any more?
Subject: anyone elses dishwasher doesn't wash clean any more?
lol i thought it was my dishwashing machine. well last month my tenants called to say the dish washer doesn't work any morebut now this makes all sense. you think they would tell people that their stuff is like the new toilets where you might have to flush a few times vs the old ones.
“My dishes were dirtier than before they were washed,” one wrote last week in the review section of the Web site for the Cascade line of dishwasher detergents. “It was horrible, and I won’t buy it again.”
“This is the worst product ever made for use as a dishwashing detergent!” another consumer wrote.
Like every other major detergent for automatic dishwashers, Procter & Gamble’s Cascade line recently underwent a makeover. Responding to laws that went into effect in 17 states in July, the nation’s detergent makers reformulated their products to reduce what had been the crucial ingredient, phosphates, to just a trace.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/19/science/earth/19clean.html?hp
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I haven't had any problem with mine.
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If you are using liquid dishwasher detergent in a "Smart Dispense" automatic detergent dispenser, you might try putting the detergent in the other dispenser (the one you have to fill up for each wash). We had a problem with our dishwasher and the technician said the Cascade liquid recommended by the manufacturer is too thick and clogs the dispenser. He recommended diluting the detergent, but we found that ineffective as well. Now we use the old fashioned dispenser and it works fine. Maybe in another twenty years GE and Cascade will get these dispensers working properly.
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So Cascade changed their formula? Lame
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it's not lame. phosphates are a really terrible pollutant. ever see a pond that is totally green on top? that's phosphate poisoning. makes algae grow like crazy, which blocks sunlight and kills everything else. this is worse than spotty glasses, in my humble opinion.
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Unless you have a big family, I don't see the point of having a dishwasher. Takes five minutes to wash stuff up for the two of us. . . Use hot water and wear rubber gloves.
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Ugh,thanks eco nuts. I was wondering why I was having a problem last week. So now people will waste MORE water washing dishes twice. Same as the low flow showers and toilets.
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youbetcha wrote: Unless you have a big family, I don't see the point of having a dishwasher. Takes five minutes to wash stuff up for the two of us. . . Use hot water and wear rubber gloves.
Good for you. I like my dishwasher. -
One could also use the heavy wash setting.
...uses more energy, but gets dishes clean if you are using cheap, not enough, or ineffective detergent. -
Old dirty pipes and poor pre-rinsing could also lead to not so clean dishes.
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eggcream wrote: Ugh,thanks eco nuts. I was wondering why I was having a problem last week. So now people will waste MORE water washing dishes twice.
the environmental problem in question isn't water-use -- in fact, you're being an eco nut yourself, since dishwasher generally use less water than handwashing. the problem is phosphates.
for those lucky enough to have dishwashers, there are lots of tips in the comment thread of that nyt article, fwiw. basically comes down to: use a better detergent (people like 7th generation and the costco brand, both green, both better than cascade), try adding vinegar to the rinse section.
just because cascade is making a crappy product doesn't mean it's not possible to make a less-polluting detergent that works. they just did a bad job. -
youbetcha wrote: Unless you have a big family, I don't see the point of having a dishwasher. Takes five minutes to wash stuff up for the two of us. . . Use hot water and wear rubber gloves.
This is not necessarily accurate. You should measure how much water you use doing the dishes by hand, and check the specs on an average dishwasher. Many governments in Australia (the driest continent), require all new construction to install a dishwasher because a dishwasher uses 18 liters of water for a normal cycle, whilst washing the equivalent number of dishes by hand uses in excess of 50 liters. Similarly, front loading washing machines use far less water than top loading washing machines. Not sure however, about energy usage (Australia has a lot more coal than water). A lot of people make assumptions that a labor saving appliance necessarily uses more resources, not always so. Remember assume makes an ass of u and me.
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